How long can a Christian go without sinning?

[blue_ladybug]

Aaah, okay gotcha..

Yes, you are definitely missing my intent. I don't say ANY sickness is the result of mistrust. I say that mistrust is our biggest struggle.

 

[PeterJens]

Its funny that most people in discussing this will inevitably admit that "theoretically yes, its possible." The question now is, why is it only theoretical and not our actual reality?

Ben - I think language and time. It takes effort to become heavenly minded, to dwell,
to be in the Spirit, to know your heart stirring to God.

And we are where we leave ourselves. Sow to God and reap eternal growth, sow to
apathy and despair, reap slavery to besetting sin.

The sad reality is even in this wealthy world, how many will spend one hour in Gods
word or 4 hours on TV or the internet a day? It is easy to talk belief, it is much
harder to consistently change.

 

[BenFTW]

I agree, But I still want to make my point.

Can you prove you went sinless for 24 hours? I would say NO!

of we can not even prove we did it, why would we want to even THINK about saying we could? let alone boast about it?

which sort of answers my second question? Why would we want to?

Yes, through the blood of the Lamb that makes my sins of scarlet as white as snow!

 

[valiant]

Its funny that most people in discussing this will inevitably admit that "theoretically yes, its possible." The question now is, why is it only theoretical and not our actual reality?

It will only be theoretically possible when we are not longer subject to sin. We may have 'renounced sin'. Our sinful nature has not and will not renounce us.

 

[PeterJens]

when we are far from Christ we do NOT see the mechanics of spiritual resolution

Sorry valiant, that you do not share my experience.
I share something I experience, which I know others have similarly experienced.

You have a different experience, well, amen, and God bless you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, through the blood of the Lamb that makes my sins of scarlet as white as snow!

Amen!.

That's like saying God made me a sinner White as snow. Not because I am sinless But because HE washed them..

Like a shirt I like to wear says, Not perfect. Just forgiven

 

[valiant]

Yes, through the blood of the Lamb that makes my sins of scarlet as white as snow!

LOL that means you NEEDED cleansing.

 

[valiant]

Sorry valiant, that you do not share my experience.
I share something I experience, which I know others have similarly experienced.

You have a different experience, well, amen, and God bless you.

now we SEE the self-righteousness shining through

 

[samuel23]

Why? Why does one person cruise through a test and another struggle. If YOU can live a sinless life then do so, however to tell others they must do the same thing when it is obvious that they cannot do it is to judge another Man's servant.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? [SUP]17 [/SUP]But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. [SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. [SUP]21 [/SUP]What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1. Paul admits the flesh is still weak.
2. Paul shows us a spiritual truth, We were delivered (saved) because we obeyed Gods truth (past tense) and since then, Our deeds, Which used to end in death, Can not lead to fruit bearing..
3. Since our flesh is still weak. Serve not the law! Serve not sin. But serve God..
4. The wage (reward or payment) of sin is death, THE GIFT of God (not earned) is eternal life.. Serve God. not sin..

 

[PeterJens]

Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
1 Thess 5:11

It is obvious to me, some appear to be determined to discourage hungering and thirsting
after righteousness.

If we are called to walk righteously, to learn, to perfect our walk and our calling, it is to
stand in opposition to this to discourage people or even to say there is no point to it at
all.

If one holds this is just a mirage of righteousness to show how weak and feeble we are,
it ends up undermining all morality or holiness God has shared.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is obvious to me, some appear to be determined to discourage hungering and thirsting
after righteousness.

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name people who are doing this, Then prove it by showing examples!

 

[PeterJens]

[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? [SUP]17 [/SUP]But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. [SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. [SUP]21 [/SUP]What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1. Paul admits the flesh is still weak.
2. Paul shows us a spiritual truth, We were delivered (saved) because we obeyed Gods truth (past tense) and since then, Our deeds, Which used to end in death, Can not lead to fruit bearing..
3. Since our flesh is still weak. Serve not the law! Serve not sin. But serve God..
4. The wage (reward or payment) of sin is death, THE GIFT of God (not earned) is eternal life.. Serve God. not sin..

For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

The above phrase calls us to present our bodies as slave of righteousness, ie living
righteous real loving lives, in obedience to Christ and the Spirit.

Because this takes time, patience, endurance, perseverance does not make it impossible.

 

[gb9]

Sorry valiant, that you do not share my experience.
I share something I experience, which I know others have similarly experienced.

You have a different experience, well, amen, and God bless you.

peter, righteousness and sin have very little to do with emotions and experiences. it has to do with recognizing what the Bible says the standards are, and then see if we are meeting them or not.

grace , faith, works, not feelings and emotions and experiences. please stop denying clear Biblical truth. feeling pure and righteous does NOT mean you are.

 

[PeterJens]

sadly, we have people who have watered down the law. so they can appear to themselves as being sinless. or "pure" or "Holy" that they can not see these things,

I think that is the point of this, Do we ignore sins, Hide sins, and say we are ok, I went 24 hours with no sin, I am holy.. Or do we focus on loving others. If people ask us if we can go sinless, say the truth I would not boast of that. And move on..

EG - this is an example of discouraging those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

What happens when you are shown by God that you are wrong, and are just the hyper
legalist you claim to want to avoid and condemn constantly as the evil in the church?

It is ironic the great crusader is actually crusading against themselves.

 

[Sirk]

It could also be they are sensitive about certain issues in their life.
Alzhiemers is a sensitive subject, and for some to come terms with, even harder.

So is your aim to help or hinder? You seem to know this area quite well, so why
are you being so hard? Whats rattled you?

Pfff. This doesn't rattle me even a little. And I had no idea her dad was sick or what he is sick from. My dad's dead and I ain't sensitive about it.

 

[valiant]

For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

The above phrase calls us to present our bodies as slave of righteousness, ie living
righteous real loving lives, in obedience to Christ and the Spirit.

Because this takes time, patience, endurance, perseverance does not make it impossible.

But what does make it impossible is what we really are. We can present our bodies as slaves of righteousness i.e. being kept from known sin.. We CANNOT be free from all unrighteousness, except through His righteousness imputed to us.

 

[samuel23]

I think of that place in the bible where Ahab said, let not him that puts on his armor boasts as him that takes it off. How can anyone possibly boast of living a sinless life unless their life is over. Toward the end of Paul's life he wrote that he was careful lest he be a castaway. The very idea that you are living a sinless life is sin because you are deceived. We do not practice sin, however to boast of never sinning is itself a sin.

 

[PeterJens]

peter, righteousness and sin have very little to do with emotions and experiences. it has to do with recognizing what the Bible says the standards are, and then see if we are meeting them or not.

grace , faith, works, not feelings and emotions and experiences. please stop denying clear Biblical truth. feeling pure and righteous does NOT mean you are.

After dealing with mentally ill people, emotions have everything to do with every aspect of
life, and experiences seriously damage and distort people as they go through life.

I am sorry you are unaware of this, but we just have to agree to disagree.

Now it may sound trite but those who repress their hurts and defences to the extent that
they do not recognise they are there, are the ones who believe emotions are not involved
at all, just like you are describing.

And I know I have no bridge over to you until you see this in yourself, because this is how
we learn the rules, not in theory but in practice.

 

[PeterJens]

Pfff. This doesn't rattle me even a little. And I had no idea her dad was sick or what he is sick from. My dad's dead and I ain't sensitive about it.

Maybe you should be. Or is sensitivity not on your agenda?