How long can a Christian go without sinning?
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Sirk - Why do you want to project? If I had two glasses of water, one cloudy and one
clear. I am told, someone can make the cloudy one clear. I say ok.
They produce two new glasses, one with a cutout picture of a clear glass of water,
which they put infront of a cloudy glass of water and the other is a clear glass of water.
I am then asked which is actually clear. I point to the clear glass of water.
There is no point having a picture of clear glass of water, it is pointless.
Gods holiness in Christ purifies us and makes us clean or it is pointless.
Now this is not an instant walk, a zap and you have arrived, it is a walk,
a relationship. It has always been, "I will die for you" "You will deny me"
learning situation, with growth and change, but it is still real.
clear. I am told, someone can make the cloudy one clear. I say ok.
They produce two new glasses, one with a cutout picture of a clear glass of water,
which they put infront of a cloudy glass of water and the other is a clear glass of water.
I am then asked which is actually clear. I point to the clear glass of water.
There is no point having a picture of clear glass of water, it is pointless.
Gods holiness in Christ purifies us and makes us clean or it is pointless.
Now this is not an instant walk, a zap and you have arrived, it is a walk,
a relationship. It has always been, "I will die for you" "You will deny me"
learning situation, with growth and change, but it is still real.
If I was a cynic, I would say it is all nice pie in the sky when you die.
Guilty sensitive people, wanting to assuage their guilt and hoping by doing some religion
everything will balance out. I mean, nobody actually changes, it is all make believe.
But I know Jesus does change us, and love is our problem. I know because love was my
problem and I seriously did not believe anyone really loved or could love me, because I
had been betrayed and left out to dry too many times. But Jesus did it all.
And this has changed me, changed everything about me, what I want, what I do, how I speak
and how I listen. And this is why Jesus matters, this is eternal reality, not make believe or
something your parents hoped you would follow, or the nice sermon the preacher gave in church
but is just christian culture. This is blood and flesh reality, for which people die, and when they
do not know this love it is like hell on earth, lost and without hope.
Guilty sensitive people, wanting to assuage their guilt and hoping by doing some religion
everything will balance out. I mean, nobody actually changes, it is all make believe.
But I know Jesus does change us, and love is our problem. I know because love was my
problem and I seriously did not believe anyone really loved or could love me, because I
had been betrayed and left out to dry too many times. But Jesus did it all.
And this has changed me, changed everything about me, what I want, what I do, how I speak
and how I listen. And this is why Jesus matters, this is eternal reality, not make believe or
something your parents hoped you would follow, or the nice sermon the preacher gave in church
but is just christian culture. This is blood and flesh reality, for which people die, and when they
do not know this love it is like hell on earth, lost and without hope.
Hi Maxwell, comments are in blue within your post.
1. "My opinion is that Maxwell was being pretty."
I think you're pretty too.
Okay, maybe so. But considering Ben's comments about sin, I'm pretty sure we can find the definition he's speaking of. Yes?
2. "we all know what sin is."
A. That isn't necessarily the case... people have very different views on the word, both in concept and in particulars.
B. Sin is a term that is very broad, and covers a great many things people don't usually consider.
C. Since this entire thread is about SIN, then we should start, logically, with a precise definition of what the OP considers sin to be.
To define precisely what you're discussing is simply the most rational place to begin.
Do you require a definition for every topic, for every thread?
3. I'm aware that asking a person to "define terms" seems anal retentive, and even petty,
but it's simply the logical place to start a discussion... and often this alone resolves all problems.
A. To discuss vague terms, would mean, necessarily, we could never come to agreement because we'd never be discussing the exact same thing.
B. To define terms, and be able to discuss the EXACT same thing, means we have the ability to FIND RESOLUTION.
* Therefore, to demand that we define terms, is actually a step toward resolution, and peace... not a step toward conflict.
Only when it's obvious that the OP's definition and yours are different. Are you a lawyer?
I think you're pretty too.
Okay, maybe so. But considering Ben's comments about sin, I'm pretty sure we can find the definition he's speaking of. Yes?
2. "we all know what sin is."
A. That isn't necessarily the case... people have very different views on the word, both in concept and in particulars.
B. Sin is a term that is very broad, and covers a great many things people don't usually consider.
C. Since this entire thread is about SIN, then we should start, logically, with a precise definition of what the OP considers sin to be.
To define precisely what you're discussing is simply the most rational place to begin.
Do you require a definition for every topic, for every thread?
3. I'm aware that asking a person to "define terms" seems anal retentive, and even petty,
but it's simply the logical place to start a discussion... and often this alone resolves all problems.
A. To discuss vague terms, would mean, necessarily, we could never come to agreement because we'd never be discussing the exact same thing.
B. To define terms, and be able to discuss the EXACT same thing, means we have the ability to FIND RESOLUTION.
* Therefore, to demand that we define terms, is actually a step toward resolution, and peace... not a step toward conflict.
Only when it's obvious that the OP's definition and yours are different. Are you a lawyer?
You're coming across like you're the know it all of mental illness, and just assuming that Valiant is clueless about it. Maybe he knows alot more than you do about it, so stop assuming. You're not the Great Physician. GOD is.
The level of put downs and ignorance is staggering, because it demonstrates how
vast the reality is and limited peoples exploration of the real world around them is.
Maybe because Christ means so much to people they feel they have the authority
to define everything else. Well God bless, and I hope it goes well with them.
You're coming across like you're the know it all of mental illness, and just assuming that Valiant is clueless about it. Maybe he knows alot more than you do about it, so stop assuming. You're not the Great Physician. GOD is.
Anyone who knows mental illness, knows CBT.
CBT is all about emotional responses to situations, and how you bring back
context of your previous emotional responses to your current situation.
No one would dismiss emotions, because this is the one therapy that actually
works.
After a hundred+ years, other than medication, CBT and later strategies have
shown they change peoples lives.
This is why I laugh. But then you obviously do not know this either.
You are right. Opps, we got here because someone said emotions have
nothing to do with sin and righteousness, except anger is an emotion.
Funny that, or lust, sexual attraction is actually a purely interlectual
assessment of the curves of the opposite sex. I can really see how this
makes real sense...........
nothing to do with sin and righteousness, except anger is an emotion.
Funny that, or lust, sexual attraction is actually a purely interlectual
assessment of the curves of the opposite sex. I can really see how this
makes real sense...........
You are so misguided in all this I don't even know where to start. You're kinda right that anger is an emotion but a more accurate description of it is that is a response to an underlying emotion. People don't get angry all by themselves. There is an emotion underlying it...like the feeling of:
worthlessness
devalued
inadequate
insigficant
rejected
judged
unloved
unnaccepted
poweless
out of control
controlled
alone
abandoned
disconnected
unwanted
unknown
failure
invalidated
not good enough.
The point is that anger isn't what you think it is because your thinking in regards to it is very shallow.
and those other things you mention like lust are coping skills born out of unprocessed feelings mentioned above.
worthlessness
devalued
inadequate
insigficant
rejected
judged
unloved
unnaccepted
poweless
out of control
controlled
alone
abandoned
disconnected
unwanted
unknown
failure
invalidated
not good enough.
The point is that anger isn't what you think it is because your thinking in regards to it is very shallow.
and those other things you mention like lust are coping skills born out of unprocessed feelings mentioned above.
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I'm not mocking you OR being critical. But you just assumed that Valiant has no knowledge of mental illness at all. How do you know that he doesn't? Is there something in the air here? People getting offended for absolutely no reason. And your comment of "why are you trying to correct me", sounds pretty mocking to me. So be careful that YOU don't become a mocker.
Yes it is all about love. I haven't seen any posts really which focus on the subject, and in talking people don't really focus on it, and in the church it is referenced but not focused on. I think that the disassociation people have with love is the main issue in the world, which is WHY the world stays the way it is. Essentially people think about themselves first. And the reason for this is that all of us have experienced pain when it comes to love. It could be when we are very young and experience abuse of different kinds, it could be when we start to grow up as a teenager and experience break ups, rejections, or broken trust, it can be when we get older and people that we love die.
We have all experienced pain in association to love. And I think we should really start talking about it. I've been saying this for years, but in all my attempts to change focus to it, people continue to avoid it. To me it seems almost a sub-conscious avoidance.
Jesus said, only by being like this child... My opinion is that, he was talking about how it is growing into this shell of former self that stops people from entering the kingdom of heaven. And I have an opinion on what the kingdom of heaven refers to but I won't go into that at this moment in time.
Do children inspires adults into seeing the magic and colours of the world and in each other, or do adults enslave children into believing life is hard, life is a struggle, work hard it's all about money, put yourself first, take responsibility instead of being like a child, it's a dangerous world, "fear is more important than love"?
As a bright and observational child I saw these things when I was very young. The question I always asked myself was, why do older people seem so weary, or unhappy?
Now if I ask this as an adult to an adult directly, I'm going to be in for some retaliation, defense mechanisms, or analysis of why this is just the way it is. But if a child asks this to an adult directly, then they will be looked upon as somewhat naïve, as if, not yet knowing 'how' reality is, although they will not be rebutted. But I believe we can change the reality we live in, if, for once in history, we focus on love. It is the focus of love by few people, which has changed many things. One person can be the seed that changes the whole of reality. That's because it really is only love which is the works by which God is coming through for everyone and for each other.
When we express love, we express being in the image of God, we express and extend the work of God, which is how we were born as a child, for God is love. Children make mistakes, they may do things which we deem as sins, but do adults ever really talk about children being sinners? No, because we see them as pure and innocent at that point of learning. But that is an interesting thought on things, right?
As I must repeat, I'm not looking for any dissection or correction of what I said. If there is something good to take away, or something good that inspires a thought in you, that is what is important. I'm a creative and deep thinker about things, I've always questioned things. Adults are very good at telling other adults not to be like a child. What I mean is, when a child shows you a picture that looks like nothing, we don't say to that child what a load of rubbish? Some parents do obviously, and that is one point of fractured love. And likewise if we each talk and have our own opinions, how we respond should be an example of acceptance for each others unique aspects. We are all right to some degree, we all make mistakes to some degree, none of us are perfect.
But what is perfect is being in an open friendly space where we can express different things, or speak as if a 'rough draft' so to say, and accept our different colours. What is perfect is expressing rather than keeping quiet because some people will try to put you down or correct you (in one form or another).
Together we can create and learn beautiful things. Apart from each other, we learn and create nothing. We are all on the same page, if we remember that as child, this is how things were. And maybe we were bullied by other children, but why were they bullies? Were they born that way, or did it have something to do with either their parents love for them, abuse, or, loss? These are all things which develop our association to love, or rather our fear of it, our walls.
We have all experienced pain in association to love. And I think we should really start talking about it. I've been saying this for years, but in all my attempts to change focus to it, people continue to avoid it. To me it seems almost a sub-conscious avoidance.
Jesus said, only by being like this child... My opinion is that, he was talking about how it is growing into this shell of former self that stops people from entering the kingdom of heaven. And I have an opinion on what the kingdom of heaven refers to but I won't go into that at this moment in time.
Do children inspires adults into seeing the magic and colours of the world and in each other, or do adults enslave children into believing life is hard, life is a struggle, work hard it's all about money, put yourself first, take responsibility instead of being like a child, it's a dangerous world, "fear is more important than love"?
As a bright and observational child I saw these things when I was very young. The question I always asked myself was, why do older people seem so weary, or unhappy?
Now if I ask this as an adult to an adult directly, I'm going to be in for some retaliation, defense mechanisms, or analysis of why this is just the way it is. But if a child asks this to an adult directly, then they will be looked upon as somewhat naïve, as if, not yet knowing 'how' reality is, although they will not be rebutted. But I believe we can change the reality we live in, if, for once in history, we focus on love. It is the focus of love by few people, which has changed many things. One person can be the seed that changes the whole of reality. That's because it really is only love which is the works by which God is coming through for everyone and for each other.
When we express love, we express being in the image of God, we express and extend the work of God, which is how we were born as a child, for God is love. Children make mistakes, they may do things which we deem as sins, but do adults ever really talk about children being sinners? No, because we see them as pure and innocent at that point of learning. But that is an interesting thought on things, right?
As I must repeat, I'm not looking for any dissection or correction of what I said. If there is something good to take away, or something good that inspires a thought in you, that is what is important. I'm a creative and deep thinker about things, I've always questioned things. Adults are very good at telling other adults not to be like a child. What I mean is, when a child shows you a picture that looks like nothing, we don't say to that child what a load of rubbish? Some parents do obviously, and that is one point of fractured love. And likewise if we each talk and have our own opinions, how we respond should be an example of acceptance for each others unique aspects. We are all right to some degree, we all make mistakes to some degree, none of us are perfect.
But what is perfect is being in an open friendly space where we can express different things, or speak as if a 'rough draft' so to say, and accept our different colours. What is perfect is expressing rather than keeping quiet because some people will try to put you down or correct you (in one form or another).
Together we can create and learn beautiful things. Apart from each other, we learn and create nothing. We are all on the same page, if we remember that as child, this is how things were. And maybe we were bullied by other children, but why were they bullies? Were they born that way, or did it have something to do with either their parents love for them, abuse, or, loss? These are all things which develop our association to love, or rather our fear of it, our walls.