Martin Luther Invented the "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" Doctrine

[Skinski7]

The thing is you cannot add one thing to what Christ has wrought on the cross.

Here is what Jesus did on the cross...

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Jesus died on the cross to establish the New Covenant through which the conscience is purged of dead works.

What are "dead works" ?

Dead works are any works done apart from "works of faith." In other words a "dead work" is when a human being walks their own away apart from the grace of God.

The Bible teaches...

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Grace - charis - G5485 [Strong's]
From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

Faith - pistis - G4102
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.


Grace is the divine influence of God upon the heart. This is why Paul notes that "grace teaches"...

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Faith is inclusive of assurance, belief, and fidelity. In other words both TRUST IN GOD and FAITHFULNESS TO GOD. When an individual yields wholeheartedly to the divine influence of God then the grace of God QUICKENS...

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Quickened us together with Christ - suzōopoieō - G4806 [Strong's]
From G4862 and G2227; to reanimate conjointly with (figuratively): - quicken together with.

G4802 - sunA primary preposition denoting union; with or together (but much closer than G3326 or G3844), that is, by association, companionship, process, resemblance, possession, instrumentality, addition, etc.: - beside, with. In compounds it has similar applications, including completeness.

G2227 - zōopoieōFrom the same as G2226 and G4160; to (re-) vitalize (literally or figuratively): - make alive, give life, quicken.


This is why Jesus taught...

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.



"Saved by Grace Through Faith" is a DYNAMIC OF OPERATION by which God transforms and energises the spirit of an individual giving it true life.

This occurs through the New Covenant that Jesus established with His death. This is why we read...

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.


The New Covenant has NOTHING to do with any kind of legal swap like Martin Luther taught. The idea of "adding to the cross" is a fallacy wrought in the minds of those who believe in substitution theology.

Under substitution Jesus died to bring about a COSMIC TRANSACTION as opposed to dying to purge the conscience of dead works.

Under substitution that basis for reconciliation is a LEGAL EXCHANGE whereby God pretends that the wicked are righteous via means of a legal transfer. That is what Martin Luther invented.

The Bible does not teach substitution anywhere which is why not a single person can quote any such thing from the Bible.

As for 2Cor 5:21, that is speaking of TRANSFORMATION VIA THE QUICKENING. The context of that passage is this...

The transformed individual.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Jesus was a sin offering made that we might be transformed.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

One must "work together" with God (ie. grace through faith) in order to be transformed lest grace is received to no working effect, ie. no quickening.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

Work together - sunergeō
From G4904; to be a fellow worker, that is, co-operate: - help (work) with, work (-er) together.

We are "god's workmanship" and not our own hence the necessity for the quickening.

The result "saved by grace through faith" is...

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

A redemption (release and clearing) from all iniquity and a purifying of the heart. No release and no purity = no salvation.

A parallel to 2Cor 5:21 is Rom 8:3-4 which says...

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Jesus condemned sin in the flesh (overcame sin in a flesh body) for the express purpose that the righteousness of the law be fulfilled IN US who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

This is a message that the world hates because the world loves worldliness and sin, including Babylon Christianity. Babylon Christianity utterly rejects "saved by grace through faith" by redefining to to mean the "application of a POSITIONAL SALVATION by legal credit." These people actually believe that Jesus swapped places with them and that His righteousness is credited to their account and thus reject that the purpose was to transform them from wickedness unto righteousness in REALITY, not give them a cloak for their wickedness.

So many religious people "professing Jesus" are going to stand before God one day and be rejected because they continued to "work iniquity" (Mat 7:23) instead of "obeying from the heart" whereby they would have been set free from sin (Rom 8:17-18).

Anyone who is still sinning is not saved.

By sinning I mean "willful sin," ie. doing wrong KNOWINGLY. I do not mean sins of ignorance due to lack of wisdom or understanding. As Christian's we of course grow in grace and knowledge, but willful sin is out of the question for we have been purged and purified.

We do not have some kind of substitution cloak whereby we can sin and not surely die. Sin spiritually kills INSTANTLY, just one act of rebellion to God cuts one off to God. One cannot be in union with God and be in rebellion at the same time. The New Covenant is the means by which we may find union with God and be cleansed and purified, by which all our deeds are then done in God, for faith has purified the heart being that the love of God has been shed abroad within.

So reject these words in favour of a POSITIONAL SALVATION if you like. Call it "works salvation" or "self righteousness" if you like. But perhaps just think for a moment that the Pharisees of old were very deceived and their hearts were wicked...

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.


Jesus can truly cleanse that which is within. The farce of modern professing Christianity denies it in favour of a cloak and professes 1Joh 1:8 all day long as a defence for perpetual wickedness in salvation. A very sad state of affairs, yet willfull chosen by the simple whom want their ears tickled.

Too long a post to read for some I suppose. Perhaps that is a result of the microwave instant serve over stimulated tv society we live in.

Please consider.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Skinski: Do you think Peter is in hell? (Because surely he was separated from God after denying Christ..)
...and according what you just said, that means instant death and means a person isn't saved.

 

[gb9]

see, here is the big issue- the Kingdom of Heaven is a kingdom. and the King is not currently on Earth in person. only the King can issue true righteous judgement. but people ( especially men ) want to set themselves up as princes and rulers and pass judgement on others, which they have no right or authority to do.

the King will set everything right and give every soul what that soul has coming to it, good or bad, saved or condemned. until then . we should speak the truth in love and leave it up to others to do with it what they will.

sinless perfectionism non-sense is one way people ( men) try to rule with threats and intimindation. those of us who have Biblical knowledge laugh off the silly concept that one does not sin. others do not, take it seriously, and get lost.

this is shameful behavior that will get a tragic reward by the one and only King if they do not repent and stop this behavior.

 

[Skinski7]

Skinski: Do you think Peter is in hell? (Because surely he was separated from God after denying Christ..)
...and according what you just said, that means instant death and means a person isn't saved.

Peter was not born again when he was denying Jesus. He had to repent of that sin and he did. He wept bitterly and NEVER did it again.

Here is something that Peter wrote about how a Christian ought conduct themselves...

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
...
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

God doesn't wish for any to perish and is thus longsuffering toward all that all should come to repentance.

Now seeing that this physical world is going to be dissolved how ought we conduct ourselves? In ALL holy conversation (conduct) and godliness.

Peter contended that we be diligent that we be found in him in peace, without spot, and blameless. To be found without spot and blameless requires diligence.

Peter then went on to warn people about the "error of the wicked" that they may not fall from their own steadfastness. The error of the wicked obviously does not contend that one ought conduct themselves in ALL holy conversation and godliness with diligence. Rather there are those who twist the Scriptures unto their own destruction...

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

See the contrast?

On one side you have...

1. ALL holy conversation and godliness to be diligent to be found without spot and blameless.

On the other side you have...

2. The error of the wicked, which of course would oppose ALL holy conversation and godliness to be diligent to be found without spot and blameless.

Here is what Martin Luther wrote...

“Therefore, my dear brother, learnChrist and him crucified. Learn to pray to him an, despairing ofyourself, say: "Thou, Lord Jesus, art my righteousness, but I amthy sin. Thou hast taken upon thyself what is mine and hast given tome what is thine. Thou has taken upon thyself what thou wast not andhast given to me what I was not." Beware of aspiring tosuch purity that you will not wish to be looked upon as a sinner, orto be one. For Christ dwells only in sinners. On this accounthe descended from heaven, where he dwelt among the righteous, todwell among sinners. Meditate on this love of his and you will seehis sweet consolation. For why was it necessary for him to die if wecan obtain a good conscience by our works and afflictions?Accordingly you will find peace only in him and only when you despairof yourself and your own works. Besides, you will learn from him thatjust as he has received you, so he has made your sins his own and hasmade his righteousness yours." Instructions to the Perplexed andDoubting, To George Spenlein, April 8, 1516, Luther: Letters ofSpiritual Counsel, Martin Luther, Theodore G. Tappert, Library ofChristian Classics Vol 18. pg 110.

"Beware of aspiring to such purity that you will not wish to be looked upon as a sinner, or to be one. For Christ dwells only in sinners."

Yet the Bible states...


1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Beware of people like Martin Luther trying to deceive you to reject that "he who does what is right is righteous."

Martin Luther defended wickedness and even warned people of aspiring to purity. Yet Peter advocated purity...

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Martin Luther denied that the new birth results in MANIFEST PURITY. That is why he denied that the children of God are MANIFEST in that they do not sin.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Now people are free to believe Martin Luther and reject the scriptures, reject Peter, reject Paul, reject Jesus, etc. But they do so to their own destruction.

My first post proves beyond any doubt that Martin Luther made up the "imputed righteousness of Christ" doctrine. I have read through Luther's writings and he was clearly a very deceived man and his theology is thoroughly Augustinian, not Biblical.

Now the "imputed righteousness of Christ" doctrine has been emotionally invested in by many people. To them that doctrine is the very definition of Christianity, thus many will cling to it in the face of all evidence to the contrary. The Pharisees clung to their dead religion in the very face of the miracles of Jesus as well as the pure message of godliness taught by Jesus, the obvious facts did not matter, the people preferred the comfort of the lie because their hearts were hardened.

Please consider.

 

[mcubed]

Are you suggesting the Catholic church of that time was of G-d. You cannot have it both ways... G-d was with one or the other. Percussion is a result of the Holy Spirit, I suggest to you Martin Luther's 95 Theses was of G-d.

 

[Skinski7]

Are you suggesting the Catholic church of that time was of G-d. You cannot have it both ways... G-d was with one or the other. Percussion is a result of the Holy Spirit, I suggest to you Martin Luther's 95 Theses was of G-d.

The Catholic Church was thoroughly corrupted very early on. Luther simply rejected one error and invented another.

The Catholic Church rejects the Quickening by teaching that grace is imparted through the sacraments. Thus they taught salvation in the context of belonging to the institutional Mother Church.

The Protestant religion rejects the Quickening by teaching that grace is purely provisional in the context of the legal swap. Thus salvation is in the context of a STATUS ADJUSTMENT wrought by "believing dogma." Thus people are compelled to "believe in Jesus" and the "finished work on the cross" whereby they are are assured that they are saved in POSITION.

Both systems reject the the cross in the context of it establishing a covenant, through which entering in one is purged and purified. That is why both systems argue in favour of ongoing wickedness.

The whole gamut is simply an "opposition of science falsely so called," a diabolical satanic dialectic which draws in the simple to "pick a side." The most effective way to deceive someone is to entrap their mind within a dialectic in which both apparent opposing sides are in error. The longer someone exists within the dialectic the more emotionally invested they become, and thus any revelation of the truth is simply dispelled through cognitive dissonance. That is the sheer scale of the error would appear to refute a simple truth.

It is quite astonishing as to the deceptiveness of Satan and the vast majority of humanity completely underestimate the scale and power of such deception.

 

[valiant]

Martin Luther Invented the "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" Doctrine

Here are the facts.

The Bible states...

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The Bible plainly states that FAITH is counted for righteousness.

well if that is not imputed righteousness, what is?

Faith is counted for righteousness because it is reflective of a heart attitude towards God. In other words God looks at the motive of the heart and if there is faithfulness and fidelity to God then God reckons that individual righteous apart from "works." No religious service required, only a heart yielded to God which will naturally produce deeds done in God.

again imputed righteousness LOL

The Bible does not say that the "righteousness of Christ" is imputed or reckoned to a believers account. Martin Luther simply made that up.

It says it is reckoned to him for righteousness i.e. imputed righteousness,

Here is what Martin Luther believed...

"Is not this a beautiful, glorious exchange, by which Christ, who is wholly innocent and holy, not only takes upon himself another's sin, that is, my sin and guilt, but also clothes and adorns me, who am nothing but sin, with his own innocence and purity?...Through this blessed exchange, in which Christ changes places with us (something the heart can grasp only in faith), and through nothing else, are we freed from sin and death and given his righteousness and life as ou rown." Luther's Works, Vol 51, Sermons

Martin Luther believed in a MAGIC SWAP, an idea that was NEVER taught by anyone before Martin Luther. I have studied this for years and I cannot find a single example of anyone teaching the above before Martin Luther.

Let me help your studies. Read Rom 5.17-19. Martin Luther got it from Paul.

Sure there is an exchange in the sense that we exchange our old wicked life for a new life of righteousness, wrought through abiding in Jesus Christ, hence the righteousness of God is made manifest in us, as opposed to any righteousness apart from the grace of God. But there is no such thing as some kind of swap where God credits someone with the "righteousness of Jesus" and credits Jesus with their wickedness, that is patent and absurd nonsense.

So Paul taught patent and absurd nonsense? will you tell God or shall I?

 

[mcubed]

The Catholic Church was thoroughly corrupted very early on. Luther simply rejected one error and invented another.

The Catholic Church rejects the Quickening by teaching that grace is imparted through the sacraments. Thus they taught salvation in the context of belonging to the institutional Mother Church.

The Protestant religion rejects the Quickening by teaching that grace is purely provisional in the context of the legal swap. Thus salvation is in the context of a STATUS ADJUSTMENT wrought by "believing dogma." Thus people are compelled to "believe in Jesus" and the "finished work on the cross" whereby they are are assured that they are saved in POSITION.

Both systems reject the the cross in the context of it establishing a covenant, through which entering in one is purged and purified. That is why both systems argue in favour of ongoing wickedness.

The whole gamut is simply an "opposition of science falsely so called," a diabolical satanic dialectic which draws in the simple to "pick a side." The most effective way to deceive someone is to entrap their mind within a dialectic in which both apparent opposing sides are in error. The longer someone exists within the dialectic the more emotionally invested they become, and thus any revelation of the truth is simply dispelled through cognitive dissonance. That is the sheer scale of the error would appear to refute a simple truth.

It is quite astonishing as to the deceptiveness of Satan and the vast majority of humanity completely underestimate the scale and power of such deception.

So, tell me exactly how is a person saved....

 

[Skinski7]

Valient,

You ought step back, clear your mind, and actually read my posts. Not just skim them and read into them your bias.

There is a very big difference between...

1. Faith being reckoned as righteousness.

and...

2. The righteousness of Christ being credited to one's account.

Faith being reckoned as righteousness has to do with a HEART YIELDED TO GOD.

The "legal swap" has NOTHING to do with the heart, but rather the "acceptance" of the "legal exchange."

There is no dynamic of transformation in the Protestant "legal swap" doctrine. It leaves people dead in their sins THINKING they are saved when they are not. That is the danger of it.

Martin Luther did not get his "Blessed Exchange" doctrine from Paul. He made it up and that is why you cannot find such a thing mentioned anywhere prior to him writing it. The closest language to it is probably what Mathetes wrote around c.e.130 when he/she used "exchange" to refer to the transformation of the life of the Christian.

Not a single person taught that Jesus swaps places with the sinner in the context of a Blessed Exchange until Luther.

If you read my first post you'll see that I actually produce the quote where Luther admits that he dreamed it up in his mind and then read it into Augustine's The Spirit and the Letter. If one is to read that work of Augustine it is clearly evident that Augustine was contending for "imparted righteousness" and not any "blessed exchange." Luther was obviously so taken by his "discovery" that all reason was thrown to the wind, and he simply saw what he wanted to see.

 

[willybob]

Are you suggesting the Catholic church of that time was of G-d. You cannot have it both ways... G-d was with one or the other. Percussion is a result of the Holy Spirit, I suggest to you Martin Luther's 95 Theses was of G-d.

Luther was a dialectic syntheses to the RCC and helped the kingdom of Satin grow even more, as the beast began growing a second head.....Rev 13 It has two horns and looks like a lamb (Jesus), but speaks the language of the dragon .(Protestantism and Catholicism) both are of the world

 

[Skinski7]

So, tell me exactly how is a person saved....

Simple. By yielding your heart completely to God.

When we give ourselves completely to God then His power manifests through us and the love of God is shed abroad within our hearts by the Holy Ghost.

This is why repentance is essential. Repentance involves the death of our old rebellious self once and for all. Thus we die to sin and unrighteousness that we be raised up to righteousness and holiness.

Look at how Paul put it...

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

The antidote for being a "servant of sin" is "obeying from the heart the doctrine delivered."

The result of obedience from the heart is being made free from sin and becoming a servant of righteousness.

People fall into two categories premised upon who they obey. Whether sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Babylon Christianity denies this and instead teaches that one can still "obey sin" and yet at the same time be "saved." It is nonsense. Salvation is a MANIFEST STATE of existence in which we find union with God through Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. One cannot be in rebellion to God and in union at the same time.

Babylon Christianity teaches that one can be in rebellion. That is why the establishment church system is full of idolatry, worldliness and sin. They don't teach any death of the old man and thus people don't truly get born again. They just "think" they do because they have believed in some erroneous deception which they never truly investigated for themselves.

Jesus sets us free indeed. The false converts deny such freedom and impugn those who have truly experienced it. They deny genuine Christianity and the doctrine of Jesus Christ, in so doing they are actually denying Jesus and yet know it not.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

[willybob]

Do you not understand the substitutionary nature of Jesus' death of the cross, and how it fulfilled the law? You miss the greater part of Christianity in that failure to understand the imputation of sin onto Jesus. Please ask the Holy Spirit of God to reveal His Truth to you that you may walk in full Light of gospel Truth. How many other verses do you throw away because you do not like them due to your failure to harmonize

Jesus came to save His people FROM SIN, not in sin. (bible 101 in Luke 1). He died as a propitiation for sin ( the mercy seat)....He could not possibly have been sin, becuase if a person dies in sin they go to hell and their is no escape from that place..Scripture says "Jesus Christ THE SAME yesterday, today, and forever..This fact alone aborts the foolish idea that He became sin. If at some point He became sin He then could not have been the SAME yesterday, today, and forever (common sense, no?)..

He fulfilled the law as our righteous example for those that are really serious about their faith and strive to enter in the narrow way that few be able to find. He ended the sacrificial laws, dietary laws, ceremonial laws, circumcision laws, tithing laws, and civil law. But not the moral law of God. In fact that was magnified by Christ, therefore the bar was risen, and taken to an higher level, however He sent the Comforter, (the Spirit of the law) to shed His grace upon those that earnestly seek Him in Spirit and in TRUTH with heart purity, hence forth dispensing upon them the empowerment of the Spirit (grace) to live godly, righteously, and holy in this present world..hope this helps your understanding of what Jesus did....Also Jesus suffered at the hands of evil men and not the wrath of God, for the wrath of God abides upon the children of DISOBEDIENCE..Jesus was certainly no child of disobedience, for He always did that which pleased His Father..dig deep, the whole world is covered with the end times flood of lies, thus one needs to be grounded in truth and build their house on the Rock of truth, lest they be swept away by the global flood of lies....

 

[valiant]

Valient,

You ought step back, clear your mind, and actually read my posts. Not just skim them and read into them your bias.

There is a very big difference between...

1. Faith being reckoned as righteousness.

and...

2. The righteousness of Christ being credited to one's account.

there is not the slightest difference, It is YOU who do not think.

Faith being reckoned as righteousness has to do with a HEART YIELDED TO GOD.

That is what faith is, an imperfect yielding of myself to God Who accepts me just as I am..

The "legal swap" has NOTHING to do with the heart, but rather the "acceptance" of the "legal exchange."

Don't be stupid. It begins in the heart.

There is no dynamic of transformation in the Protestant "legal swap" doctrine. It leaves people dead in their sins THINKING they are saved when they are not. That is the danger of it.

YOU are turning it into a legal swap doctrine. Those who come to God for His righteousness, come with a heart in which God has worked. The 'legal swop' is only one part of the transaction.

Martin Luther did not get his "Blessed Exchange" doctrine from Paul.

Paul SPECIFICALLY refers to it in Romans 5.18-19.

He made it up and that is why you cannot find such a thing mentioned anywhere prior to him writing it.

Total rubbish, it is mentioned in Paul above. Martin Luther simply gave an illustration to clarify it.

The closest language to it is probably what Mathetes wrote around c.e.130 when he/she used "exchange" to refer to the transformation of the life of the Christian.

Paul illustrates it in 2 Cor 5.21. That was an exchange, my sin for His righteousness..

Not a single person taught that Jesus swaps places with the sinner in the context of a Blessed Exchange until Luther.

Paul did it in 2 Cor5.21. Also in Rom 5.18-19. Two examples.

If you read my first post you'll see that I actually produce the quote where Luther admits that he dreamed it up in his mind and then read it into Augustine's The Spirit and the Letter. If one is to read that work of Augustine it is clearly evident that Augustine was contending for "imparted righteousness" and not any "blessed exchange." Luther was obviously so taken by his "discovery" that all reason was thrown to the wind, and he simply saw what he wanted to see.

Luther read Paul aright, so dream on.

 

[willybob]

Do you not understand the substitutionary nature of Jesus' death of the cross, and how it fulfilled the law? You miss the greater part of Christianity in that failure to understand the imputation of sin onto Jesus. Please ask the Holy Spirit of God to reveal His Truth to you that you may walk in full Light of gospel Truth. How many other verses do you throw away because you do not like them due to your failure to harmonize..
The gospel IS NOT Penal substitution, that was in vented by lawyers, but rather the truth is Covenant relationship..No one ever heard of the Penal Substitution lie until 1500 years after Jesus died..Virtue is NEVER transferred anywhere in the text... the apostle John said one who DOES righteousness is righteous, and he that sins is of the devil. And he also said let no one deceive you concerning this very issue.....are you trying to deceive others?

 

[Skinski7]

Valient,

2Cor 5:21 is not speaking of a legal swap.

Paul is speaking of MANIFEST RIGHTEOUSNESS through one abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ.

We are "made the righteousness in Him" when we ABIDE in Him. The result being...

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

We are made the "righteousness of God in Him" when the law is written upon our hearts and in our minds. That is who Jesus Christ perfect them whom are SANCTIFIED or set apart.

It has NOTHING to do with a legal swap. People cling to the legal swap because they need it to cover the fact that the law IS NOT written upon their hearts and in their mind. They still produce the fruit of sin in their lives demonstrating that they are not genuinely righteous.

In Romans Paul writes...

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Jesus was given as a propitiation (mercy seat) for us. In other words it is through Jesus Christ that we approach God and find mercy for our past sin. We then enter into the New Covenant via the blood in repentance and faith and our faith then UPHOLDS THE LAW because genuine faith works by love and love works no ill. The law being written upon the heart and in the mind by the Holy Ghost (love shed abroad in the heart).

That is the Gospel. Not any kind of "trust in the substitution" whereby you are "pronounced saved whilst you are still manifestly wicked."

That is why Paul speaks of the Ministry of Reconciliation as producing...

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

A Christian is a totally new creation in Christ, FOR REAL, IT IS MANIFEST. Not positional as substitution teaches.

The law is fulfilled IN us because we WALK after the Spirit, we are yielded to God completely.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The law could not reform the inner man, yet the Spirit CAN.

Made the righteousness of God IN Him is a reference to a manifest state of purity and holiness abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ.

No sin cloak, sin has been PURGED and the heart PURIFIED. That is the POWER of Grace, not a swap.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by mcubed

So, tell me exactly how is a person saved....

Simple. By yielding your heart completely to God.

Then no one has ever been saved. And what does such a person need saving from?

When we give ourselves completely to God then His power manifests through us and the love of God is shed abroad within our hearts by the Holy Ghost.

LOL I have NEVER met a man who had given himself completely to God. If you think you have you are deceived,

This is why repentance is essential. Repentance involves the death of our old rebellious self once and for all. Thus we die to sin and unrighteousness that we be raised up to righteousness and holiness.

so you are as righteous and holy as God? LOL

Look at how Paul put it...

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

But that means sin as a controller. not sin altogether. Read on.

The antidote for being a "servant of sin" is "obeying from the heart the doctrine delivered."

That is true, by becoming a servant of righteousness. But we are imperfect servants.

The result of obedience from the heart is being made free from sin and becoming a servant of righteousness.

But only in that context. We are freed from the master Sin. We are not freed from all sin. And Romans 6 is worked in us by God as A RESULT of chapters 3-5. Justification by faith results in new birth.

People fall into two categories premised upon who they obey. Whether sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness.

But only an imperfect obedience, or are you GOD?

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

yes a person chooses obedience to righteousness as a result of being justified by imputation. But it is imperfect righteousness

Babylon Christianity denies this and instead teaches that one can still "obey sin" and yet at the same time be "saved.

If they mean obey sin as a main principle of life they are wrong. No such man can or ever has been saved,,

" It is nonsense. Salvation is a MANIFEST STATE of existence in which we find union with God through Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. One cannot be in rebellion to God and in union at the same time.

By salvation we are united with God through the Spirit of life, and cease open rebellion against God. But we still grieve our Father by our misdemeanours,

Babylon Christianity teaches that one can be in rebellion. That is why the establishment church system is full of idolatry, worldliness and sin. They don't teach any death of the old man and thus people don't truly get born again. They just "think" they do because they have believed in some erroneous deception which they never truly investigated for themselves

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well I do not speak for the Iraqis. But we are all at times in rebellion, it is just not full rebellion.

Jesus sets us free indeed

He does indeed. He justifies us from our sins by His imputed or 'reckoned' righteousness. He enables us to be born of the Spirit, having died with Him. He sets us free from the tyrant SIN. so that we are no longer slaves of sin. But He leaves us for the time being in sinful bodies which we have to fight to control (Rom 8.13)

. The false converts deny such freedom and impugn those who have truly experienced it. They deny genuine Christianity and the doctrine of Jesus Christ, in so doing they are actually denying Jesus and yet know it not.

If, as I suspect, you mean sinless perfection, I simply laugh you to scorn. Read Deuter 6.3-5 and tell me that you live by it perfectly.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

'If we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us (1 John 1.8)

 

[Skinski7]

Sin and righteousness cannot be transferred anyway, they are moral concepts.

Jesus bearing our sins is FIGURATIVE not literal.

Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travailof his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall myrighteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Jesus bore our sins in the same way that the scapegoat bore sin.


Lev 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both hishands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all theiniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions inall their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shallsend him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
Lev 16:22 And the goat shall bearupon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: andhe shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

The goat did not literally receive a transfer of sin. The idea is figurative in being granted a fresh start before God, thus the people would put their past behind them and move on with the future. It is the same with Jesus, he "bore our iniquities" that we may "live unto righteousness."

1Pe_2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

A sinner puts their old man on Jesus and DIED WITH HIM. Jesus didn't literally become guilty of our sins and was punished for them, that is foolishness. The Bible doesn't say that. Jesus was a lamb without spot and thus an acceptable "sin offering" to God.

We are justified BY HIS KNOWLEDGE because through the dynamic of the cross the knowledge of God is implanted in our souls.


Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Salvation is through KNOWING JESUS whereby we KNOW THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.

Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

 

[gb9]

Sin and righteousness cannot be transferred anyway, they are moral concepts.

Jesus bearing our sins is FIGURATIVE not literal.

Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travailof his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall myrighteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Jesus bore our sins in the same way that the scapegoat bore sin.


Lev 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both hishands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all theiniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions inall their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shallsend him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
Lev 16:22 And the goat shall bearupon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: andhe shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

The goat did not literally receive a transfer of sin. The idea is figurative in being granted a fresh start before God, thus the people would put their past behind them and move on with the future. It is the same with Jesus, he "bore our iniquities" that we may "live unto righteousness."

1Pe_2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

A sinner puts their old man on Jesus and DIED WITH HIM. Jesus didn't literally become guilty of our sins and was punished for them, that is foolishness. The Bible doesn't say that. Jesus was a lamb without spot and thus an acceptable "sin offering" to God.

We are justified BY HIS KNOWLEDGE because through the dynamic of the cross the knowledge of God is implanted in our souls.


Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Salvation is through KNOWING JESUS whereby we KNOW THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.

Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

a lot of commentary with some random verses thrown in does NOT make one's theology correct, it means they can argue their talking points very well, which you do.

look, you know I respect you, and tend to stay out of your posts for the most part, but Romans 5 ( amp. version in particular ) destroys pleaganism.

Luther did not write that, Paul did.

 

[valiant]

Valient,

2Cor 5:21 is not speaking of a legal swap.

It is an illegal swop? It is certainly a swop,

Paul is speaking of MANIFEST RIGHTEOUSNESS through one abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ.

Rubbish. Our being made righteous is in parallel with His being made sin. Are you suggesting that He actually became sin? Or merely 'became sin' FOR US.

We are "made the righteousness in Him" when we ABIDE in Him.

where does it say that in 2 Cor 5.21? It is talking about sin imputed to Jesus. Necessarily then the righteousness is imputed to us or the parallel breaks down. Any other interpretation is a get out.

The result being...

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

We who are being sanctified are perfected by the one offering. In other words His righteousness is imputed to us.,

Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

This is initial sanctification that is the rebirth,

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

This is pure justification.

We are made the "righteousness of God in Him" when the law is written upon our hearts and in our minds. That is who Jesus Christ perfect them whom are SANCTIFIED or set apart.

But He makes them perfect while they are BEING SANCTIFIED. Thus their perfection comes from their prior justification

It has NOTHING to do with a legal swap.

It has everything to do with being made perfect. And how could we be made immediately 'perfect' except by a God given and God supplied righteousness?

People cling to the legal swap because they need it to cover the fact that the law IS NOT written upon their hearts and in their mind.

Nonsense. People cling to the 'legal swop' because it is what Scripture teaches as I have shown.

They still produce the fruit of sin in their lives demonstrating that they are not genuinely righteous

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if you say you do not produce any fruit of sin you are a liar (1 John 1.9) or utterly self deceived.

 

[preacher4truth]

Here is...

Yes, I know, you don't believe Christ saved anyone on the cross through His work, and that persons must do their part to save themselves, and, that you're sinless and perfect, and you can't stand that truth system known as the Doctrines of Grace or Calvinism.

I know, I get it, and on top of that you have a youtube channel where you make actual videos offering up your ignorance of the truth even further.