Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?

[Ariel82]

and why walk the fence? why risk it when you can follow Jesus will whos will is the Fathers and still share the Word as it plainly states is acceptable

If I were a man no one would question if I was called to any ministry in the church.

I am not walking the fence, I am trying to see where God places the fence versus where the world says it goes.

In some Muslim countries women aren't allowed education,wear burkas, and must walk a foot behind a man or they can be talked without punishment because they are disobedient and promiscuously tempting men.

I meet a woman who told me she was raped, reported it to,the police and was raped at the police station then tossed out.

So you can have folks claiming to speak for God, when they are just speaking from man made traditions.

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

I don't see the,connection since it doesn't show her teaching that having sex to birth the next generation of nasty women who can choice which religion they want to ,infiltrate and corrupt, is the thing folks should be cheering for.

i think the guy who made the video was connecting what ever twisted spirit was in her with a fully exposed jezebel


just like a good child will grow and produce more good

a bad one will like wise become further corrupt and produce more destruction

 

[Ariel82]

Lol, you posted the video.

Didn't you see my good bye speech?

Totally wasted lol.

I don't see her fruit so can't really say...if it's corrupt, I would say it's from the belief that her husband is an apostle more than that she is a pastor,

For me office of Apostle are held by folks in Heaven..the 12 Jesus named, paul, barnabus

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

If I were a man no one would question if I was called to any ministry in the church.

I am not walking the fence, I am trying to see where God places the fence versus where the world says it goes.

In some Muslim countries women aren't allowed education,wear burkas, and must walk a foot behind a man or they can be talked without punishment because they are disobedient and promiscuously tempting men.

I meet a woman who told me she was raped, reported it to,the police and was raped at the police station then tossed out.

So you can have folks claiming to speak for God, when they are just speaking from man made traditions.

i would question any mans teachings

but the first 6 or 7 verses i posted are why i question a woman preaching to begin with


as for the rape thing

i know men who were arrested for rape who simply denied the evil woman attention

as well as gotten falsely accused of rape when i was still a virgin specifically for rejecting a young girl


i dont look at an accusation as s
anything more but id surely try to comfort any sister who showed good fruits and came to me


not that i know any in person

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

Lol, you posted the video.

Didn't you see my good bye speech?

Totally wasted lol.

I don't see her fruit so can't really say...if it's corrupt, I would say it's from the belief that her husband is an apostle more than that she is a pastor,

For me office of Apostle are held by folks in Heaven..the 12 Jesus named, paul, barnabus

she lied and was double minded and tried to decieve when she got caught

 

[Ariel82]

Correction to my post 12 apostles minus Judas iscariot, add apostle from acts 1

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

also couldnt accept her husbands role

 

[Ariel82]

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/151616-role-women-biblical-marriages.html

Made this thread, mainly so we can talk about the video.

How about I answer the hosts questions and we talk about my,answers instead of hers?

Cuz I don't agree with her so. Can't really answer for her.

 

[JaumeJ]

Videos are like discussing something engraved in stone by an unavailable author.

This being a Bible Discussion forum, it is moot to post one to be discussed since the author is unavailable, and the author is nto necessarily an authority on what the Holy Spirit has taught us.

This is my take on posting videos or things written down by authors no longer with us, other than the Word of course.

 

[wolfwint]

I agree wolfwint, we should follow God and not men.

Is the teaching of no women pastors from God or a man-made doctrine by the Catholic church?

The persecuted church had home meetings where both men and women played a part in ministry.

I am sure if God lead a woman to share a testimony or prophecy or word of wisdom, no one would say "shut up,your just a woman"

Before church buildings, what did it mean to be a pastor or a teacher?

Also lets looks at the two often quoted verses IN CONTEXT, because people rip them out to prove their point,


One is for women to be silent and ask their husbands at home. Telling us that they weren't trying to teach but learn. So that isn't a commandment forbiding women teachers as I have often been told if you read it in context.

The second is also to married women. The admonishment is between telling women to wear the veils in their head to show their humilty and submissions to their husband and his they will be blessed with children if they are humble and godly wives.

I believe that the objection to women pastors is based upon only reading a few scriptures out of context.

Ariel, indepent that we have no single scripture proof that woman were set as Pastors ore eldest in the NT. In the churchhistorie (before RCC) we find also no proof for Woman as Pastors ore eldest of a church.
I am not against woman.
Of course speaks 1. Tim 2,11-14 from a woman. (The greec word for woman is not only used for married woman, but also for widows (Luke 4, 26) and not married woman. In Mark, 15,40, Maria Magdalena is called a gyne, the common word for woman and the most time used for married woman. In Luke 2,5 is Mary engaged with Joseph called a gyne. In John 4, 17 the woman at the jacobs well has no husband and is called gyne.
It is for me to simple to say in 1. Tim 2,11-14 only married woman are meant.
And for me a question is, wether not married woman (single) are allowed to lead a church ore beeing a Pastor!
And if a wife should not have authority about their husband and dont teach them. Then it is not logic that they can do this openly in the church.
From 1. Tim chapter 3, 1-7 is clear speaking from a man and not a woman.

Before they had churchbuildings the christians met in belivers houses ore rentet rooms. And according 1. Cor. 12 and Romans 12 God gave blievers with differnt gifts and tasks into a church for to serve.

 

[wolfwint]

Churches back then aren't like churches today.

Deacons and deaconess were in leadership over the church.

I can see where people would assume that Priscilla was either an evangelist and/or a deaconess. Most people are okay with women in those roles.

The question would be in those roles did she ever hold spiritual authority over men?

How do male pastors hold spiritual authority over their congregation?

Scripture proof?

 

[Ariel82]

Videos are like discussing something engraved in stone by an unavailable author.

This being a Bible Discussion forum, it is moot to post one to be discussed since the author is unavailable, and the author is nto necessarily an authority on what the Holy Spirit has taught us.

This is my take on posting videos or things written down by authors no longer with us, other than the Word of course.

I think we can talk about how we would answer and what we agree with and discuss that.

 

[Ariel82]

Scripture proof?

You missed the verses about deaconess? It's in the same chapter as bishops requirements.

 

[trofimus]

You missed the verses about deaconess? It's in the same chapter as bishops requirements.

I would also like to see proof that deacons/deaconess were in church's leadership.

I know only about apostles, bishops and presbyters.

 

[wolfwint]

You missed the verses about deaconess? It's in the same chapter as bishops requirements.

IT was never dutys from deacones to lead a church. And in 1.Tim. 3 is no hint of a female deacon. If so please show me the verse please.

 

[wolfwint]

You missed the verses about deaconess? It's in the same chapter as bishops requirements.

And the scripture proof that Priscilla was deaconess? And leader of a church and taught man there?

 

[Rockrz]

Haven't missed anything, but post scripture and we can talk about it.

You obviously either don't know God's Word very well, or you are a cherry picker who like to discount things God has said just because you don't like them... that's not going to end well for you!


Qualifications for Ministry

1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Bishop - Strongs G1985
a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): KJV -- bishop, overseer.

Deacons - Strongs G1249
probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare 1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon): KJV -- deacon, minister, servant.

Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1 Timothy 2:12,13
I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve

Paul bases his viewpoint on creation. In v. 13 he says, "For Adam was first created, then Eve." In the least, this argument shows that Paul is not restricting his treatment to the church; it's a matter that is grounded in the constitutional differences between men and women, or at least in the order of authority that God had ordained. In Gen 2-3, we see an interesting phenomenon relevant to 1 Tim 2. God teaches man, man teaches woman, the devil is out of the picture. That's Gen 2. But in Gen 3, we see the devil teaching woman, woman teaching man, and God is out of the picture. And this is Paul's argument: there is a divinely ordained order to things that, if disturbed, could bring ruin.

1 Timothy 2:12 Almost every commentator says that women should not pastor or teach over men. The argument the Apostle Paul gives for his statement "I do not permit a women to teach or to exercise authority over a man" is found in the following 2 verses. His argument is actually not from culture as some claim but from creation. The validity of his argument and the weight of this statement plants its roots in the creation order. Which means that the statement he makes regarding women not teaching over men (essentially pastoring) stands for all-time and to all cultures everywhere, because he doesnt appeal to culture for his reasons but the creation ORDER.


... there, now get with God's program and quit following the wisdom of mankind being carnally minded on this subject dude man yo

 

[Depleted]

Lets talk about scripture. Which scripture are you pulling your beliefs from and i will tell you either my view of it or tell you i am wrong.

But i have asked this very question before and learned a lot since then. So lets see based off scripture what is the reasonable way to believe on this subject

Asked on page ten of a thread, and this same discussion had other threads that went much further. It seems like the work for which scriptures has already been done. Why ask for repeat?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is apparent that some folks, good intending or not, are making a set of rules, or laws, for all to follow.

It seems to me that the advice on how women should behave in specific assmblies was mostly in the spirit of abstaining from even the appearance of wrong-doing for the sake of the traditions of the locals in order to draw them into the body of Jesus.

It may be hard for some to grasp, but women are free just as are men when they come to know Jesus christ and know the truth. The truth known sets all free.

If some here are bound to discriminate against the souls of woment because of new laws they have extracted from the New Testament, let them seek out assemblies like-minded and not molest family members who are content with a good conscience in the sight of god allowing all to be free in Christ.

I am not suggesting we all seartch specifically for woman to preach the Word, but at the same time we cannot bar any spirit-filled person from speaking out..........that is impossible.

 

[Depleted]

wolf with due respect that argument is gonna backfire on you pretty bad. marshal applewhite, david berg and jim jones were all men. and when it comes to death and destruction outside the church, those leaders are dominated by men.
i am a man but i will be the first to raise my hand and admit we have lead this world in every aspect throughout history and have done nothing but make things worse.

Are you not married?

Honestly! We women have way more ability to lead and have lead than man has ever wanted. Until the 1970's America was a matriarchal society. It hasn't since gone to a patriarchal society. It's gone to anarchy.

Martha Washington, Abigail Adams, and Betsy Ross had just as much say in America fighting against King George as any of the founding fathers did. Do you really think George Washington or John Adams would have started anything without their wives having their say?

The same in the church. AND the same reason women are to submit. We totally get how much power we have. We have to fight ourselves to avoid getting the men to go along with us!

You're underestimating women. We've got skills you don't notice. We even have the skills to get men to believe wars are started by Man's lead.

(And another reason I don't believe in a woman as pastor. We don't do the actual fighting. BUT we sure can whip up men to want to do whatever we want them to do. Far better for men to decide when enough is enough than let a woman decide. They're the ones who do the acting on that call, not us. So let them decide the course of action, instead of those who easily stir it up. "Submit" means something. It has to, because God said for those who don't like doing that to do just that. And he calls on those who much prefer doing the submitting to do the leading. He's asking us to be different, not the same, as the world.)