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Through God's grace people are granted the the ability to choose good and evil. God gave the entire world His moral laws and they will be judge by it. All will be condemned by it because all have sinned. Why have all sinned? Because like Adam we chose our selfish ambitions and false idols over obeying God and following Him. Also sin has twisted and warped God's creation and there is so much lies and false religions, mathematically it's improbable folks,will stumble across the truth without divine intervention. God does move in people's lives to show them that His ways are better than our ways. Eventually he brings some to repentance and faith in the gospel.
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still don't like the world, but yeah I would agree with the definition.
. The baptism of the Holy Spirit in to God's family is a sign of being born again and sealed by God.
I can look up the Bible verses.
When do Calvinist believe folks get adopted into the family?
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OK, so when I say:
"Limited atonement means that Jesus died effectively only for the sins of the elect, even though His death and resurrection is so powerful it can pay for the sins of the whole creation/universe"
... we would agree?
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"Limited atonement means that Jesus died effectively only for the sins of the elect, even though His death and resurrection is so powerful it can pay for the sins of the whole creation/universe"
... we would agree?
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. The baptism of the Holy Spirit in to God's family is a sign of being born again and sealed by God.
I can look up the Bible verses.
When do Calvinist believe folks get adopted into the family?
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John 3:3 “Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
John 3:6-7 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.”
John 3:8 “The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
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Luke 3 v. 16 John says Jesus will baptize with Holy Spirit and fire, instead of water.
1 Corinthians 12 says we are all baptized into One Spirit and should be One body with many different members.
John 3:6-7 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.”
John 3:8 “The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
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Luke 3 v. 16 John says Jesus will baptize with Holy Spirit and fire, instead of water.
1 Corinthians 12 says we are all baptized into One Spirit and should be One body with many different members.
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Galatians 4
3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
Ariel you are a bloody diehard Calvinist. And by this post you helped me understand a verse that is one of my favorite verses John 8: Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin...36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." I was a slave to my sin and Jesus set me free, for some reason I had never placed those together and I did not have Jesus doing the work of setting me free, I knew He set me free, but for some reason I had it by the crucifixion, I never had it as in the gift of grace.
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Luke 3
16John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
1 Corinthians 12
. 11All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
12For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slavesd or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
16John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
1 Corinthians 12
. 11All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
12For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slavesd or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
To be born again means that God creates a new heart inside of you, gives you His Spirit and a gift of faith.
The baptism by the Holy Spirit was the first Church practice, giving supernatural powers to Christians for signs, prophecies and miracles.
I do not think it happens today, generally. If there is some exception in the South American jungles, I do not know.
The baptism by the Holy Spirit was the first Church practice, giving supernatural powers to Christians for signs, prophecies and miracles.
I do not think it happens today, generally. If there is some exception in the South American jungles, I do not know.
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come on tro stay with me here. Why is it so easy for supposed Sons and daughters of God to believe there is no need for God's supernatural power today, manifested through his Holy Spirit, carried out by mere mortal men?
Satan and his angels love people to believe that the Holy Spirit is dead or not needed today. Gee, I wonder why?!?!?!?
Satan and his angels love people to believe that the Holy Spirit is dead or not needed today. Gee, I wonder why?!?!?!?
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Annointing verses:
Greek Concordance: χρίσμα (chrisma) -- 3 Occurrences
Baptized verses:
Greek Concordance: ἐβαπτίσθημεν (ebaptisthēmen) -- 3 Occurrences
Greek Concordance: χρίσμα (chrisma) -- 3 Occurrences
Baptized verses:
Greek Concordance: ἐβαπτίσθημεν (ebaptisthēmen) -- 3 Occurrences
So for yourself do you see a difference between the OT and the NT?I believe that we are living in the age of grace. IE. we do not live under the OT laws,God doesn't strike sinners dead as He did in the OT and I can only recall that happening once in the NT. Now we await the final judgement when God will pour out his wrath. Perhaps Scripture can say it better...
My understanding of dispensationalism, (and correct me if I am wrong!) is that after the "rapture" God will give the Jews another chance to accept him. I know there are different branches of beliefs, so perhaps you do not believe this?
Because, it seems to me like if what I have read of dispensatonalism is true, then first, Christians, from all the nations and ethnicities will be taken away, and that is the last chance to be saved, EXCEPT for the Jews, who will get a second chance to believe? (Of course, those not believing will not be saved!) So what I mean by plan B, is that everyone else needs to believe before the end - or the rapture (except it is not the end, something about 1000 year kingdom after that, and I have never been able to figure out what happens after that, for Christians according to that time line!).
So the Plan B, is not about a second way to be saved, but instead, a second chance that no one else seems to get?? Now, again, I may be wrong in my understanding of this, but everything I have read both outside and inside this forum seem to say that.
The point of the OT versus the NT for me, is not this dividing line of law and grace, as you say above, but rather, the same God, the same grace, the prophecies of the coming Messiah for those who believe, sacrifices for sin, (foreshadowing of Jesus) and then Jesus fulfilling that law, instead of animal/grain sacrifices for sin.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt 5: 17-20.
By cutting off the OT from the NT, saying one is law and one is grace, you have chopped apart the whole message of salvation. We are all sinners - OT and NT. In the OT, God made a way for his people to be forgiven - through sacrifices. And not just individuals, but as a people, which is something the modern evangelical church seems to have forgotten. That is GRACE!!
All of Hebrews is relevant, and perhaps even a second reading of Hebrews 10 would clarify this mistake. Here is a short part of that!
"And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified." Hebrews 10:10-14
By separating artifically grace and law, we forget the purpose of Jesus - to save us from our sins, and how he did this - by being the perfect sacrifice. OT saints were looking forward to that blessed day, although modern day Jews, by and large are not looking forward or certainly not backwards to that event. I was in an Orthodox service and there was no mention of looking forward, and the verses in the OT were all about deliverance from Egypt, and how God saved them.
To base your soteriology and eschatology on this separation of law and grace, of Jews and Gentile, implies so many negative things!
And a big part of that is Arminianism. Because, if the OT is law, and they lost their salvation every time they sinned (not really, but that is the message that this law vs grace dichotomy results in) then certainly, NT Christians can lose their salvation if they sin (habitually?) Yet, sin and sacrifice in the OT are intrinsically bound into the ultimate fulfillment of God's grace in the NT and forever!
Yet, ironically, an Arminian is more under condemnation of the law than a Reformed person. If you believe that your obedience to God (to the law?) trumps God's saving power, then in fact, you have chosen the law, not grace!
Now, I am not in any way implying antinominianism for the Reformed person! Of course, when God saves us, we want to obey God in all things, especially his revealed will in the NT and the leading of the Holy Spirit coming out of the Word. And shame and guilt can affect us all! But someone who trusts in God's saving grace, not because of their works to keep the law (NT or OT) but because of Christ's death on Calvary, is the one who is truly free, and is full of the grace of God. Someone trusting in their own efforts to not sin (Spirit led or not!) is simply following the law.
I am not in any way saying you are a legalist, KG. In fact, you are a wonderful Spirit-filled Christian woman, from all I have read in your posts, with a love for God and a heart for the lost. BUT, that being said, your beliefs truly need to be examined. Don't believe me, read other people's writings about both soteriology and eschatology. You have got some rules that aren't really Scriptural in your life, and certainly these errors are affecting your doctrine (And I will say again, you are walking with Christ, from what I see) but, maybe God has a lot more for you if you stop idolizing Israel and the Jews, and start reading what the bible has to say about this issue.
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Jesus was annointed by God. He annointed His apostles when He made them apostles and sent them to heal people and cast out demons.
I believe we are given the Holy Spirit when we are born again. However, or special gifts may come later when we are more mature and they should be used for edifying, comforting and growing the Body as One to display God's love and mercy to the world and call them out of darkness into His light.
I do not believe God annoints anyone to the office of Apostle or Prophet, nowadays.
1. Apostles are alive and in heaven with Jesus.
2. We all who have the Holy Spirit are called to "speak as oracles of God." which means proclaiming God's plan for the world and any personal revelations God may give us throughout life.
I believe in the continuation of all the spiritual gifts but believe them to be grossly distorted by some churches.
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Acts 10
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
I believe we are given the Holy Spirit when we are born again. However, or special gifts may come later when we are more mature and they should be used for edifying, comforting and growing the Body as One to display God's love and mercy to the world and call them out of darkness into His light.
I do not believe God annoints anyone to the office of Apostle or Prophet, nowadays.
1. Apostles are alive and in heaven with Jesus.
2. We all who have the Holy Spirit are called to "speak as oracles of God." which means proclaiming God's plan for the world and any personal revelations God may give us throughout life.
I believe in the continuation of all the spiritual gifts but believe them to be grossly distorted by some churches.
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Acts 10
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.