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Magenta

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Creation was pronounced to be "good" by God until woman was
created; then it was pronounced to be "very good" by God :)
 

trofimus

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"There is therefore a freedom of contingency or, in a way, of indifference, provided that by 'indifference' is understood that nothing necessitates us to one course or the other; but there is never any indifference of equipoise, that is, where all is completely even on both sides, without any inclination towards either.

Innumerable great and small movements, internal and external, co-operate with us, for the most part unperceived by us. And I have already said that when one leaves a room there are such and such reasons determining us to put the one foot first, without pausing to reflect.

All that we have just said agrees entirely also with the maxims of the philosophers, who teach that a cause cannot act without having a disposition towards action. It is this disposition which contains a predetermination, whether the doer have received it from without, or have had it in consequence of his own antecedent character."


Leibniz, Theodicy (yes, again... :))

What do you think about it, kayla?
 
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Read the story: "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye..."

This is unwise inclination, worldly inclination, so we can also say an inclination to sin.
This is temptation, the Sin did not bring forth death until they ate, then their eyes were opened.
 

Magenta

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This is temptation, the Sin did not bring forth death until they ate, then their eyes were opened.
That is true, however, the point is, there was the draw and inclination
to sin when tempted, which is why Jesus surpassed Adam to become
our high priest, for He was tempted in all points as we are, yet did not sin :)
 

trofimus

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This is temptation, the Sin did not bring forth death until they ate, then their eyes were opened.
Temptation was what the serpent said.

Inclination was that she liked what she saw.

Sin was that she ate.
 
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Temptation was what the serpent said.

Inclination was that she liked what she saw.

Sin was that she ate.
Question is who created made the tree of good and evil, and what was the thought of that creation?
 
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Some may think that just merely looking upon that tree was a wrong choice, but it was the tree of Good and evil. So no man knows which part of that tree Eve was looking at.
 

trofimus

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Question is who created made the tree of good and evil, and what was the thought of that creation?
God. God created whole the universe, including higher dimensions (spiritual realms).

Why? Because God always incline to the best. And the best universe needed to include some evil.
 
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Some may think that just merely looking upon that tree was a wrong choice, but it was the tree of Good and evil. So no man knows which part of that tree Eve was looking at.
Quite correct. Gen 3.6

[SUP]6 [/SUP]When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

I wonder what is meant by: " and that the tree was desirable to make one wise"

There is a whole lot going on here we do not see all the time.
 
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I dont understand the sentence....
you cannot begin to understand it, if you think you are inclined to Sin non-stop and always a sinner, even after being elected.

Are you still a sinner after you are elected?

Inclination means its a natural tendency to do something and to stop that something.

SIN is a choice.
 
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Magenta

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you cannot begin to understand it, if you think you are inclined to Sin non-stop and always sinner, even after being elected.
Haha here come the straw men... "inclined to sin non stop" where did that come from???
 

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you cannot begin to understand it, if you think you are inclined to Sin non-stop and always sinner, even after being elected.
You must react to what I actually said, not to react to something I never said.
 

trofimus

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It could be meant to distinguish being inclined to sin,
or tempted, from the actual act of sinning in itself.
Yeah.... so? Still not sure what I am supposed to do with it :)

Because I distinguished it.
 

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Some may think that just merely looking upon that tree was a wrong choice, but it was the tree of Good and evil. So no man knows which part of that tree Eve was looking at.
It was a tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil...
 
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You must react to what I actually said, not to react to something I never said.
Oh but by inclinations very definition you do and have. Don't use a word if it is not what you mean.
 

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Yeah.... so? Still not sure what I am supposed to do with it :)

Because I distinguished it.
Yes, I agree, you did. To be tempted is not to sin. Even Jesus was tempted.