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Actually, there are colleges that teach Job in litature and equate it with poetry....I have personal friends, including my mother and a few cousins that have studied Job in secular colleges under the banner of poetry.....so....the post you hammered by Pottersclay was uncalled for as it was just a statement of truth!
YEAH, LIKE GOD IS TELLING STUPID STORIES... WHICH IS WHAT MANY THINK NOT KNOWING GOD IS TEACHING US HIS WAYS OF BEING AND DOING RIGHT!!!!....oh wait... my caps button was stuck...
Besides, not everything in God's Word are things He said but He inspired them to be put in to give us examples of what NOT to do... such as opening the door to the devil by being in fear!
Besides, not everything in God's Word are things He said but He inspired them to be put in to give us examples of what NOT to do... such as opening the door to the devil by being in fear!
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actually you are quoting there in job 34, what elihu was saying about Job.
Job was a righteous man according to what God says of Him in the book, remember the book of Job he has friends that come and give Him poor counsel. and the young man elihu had several proper words of counsel, reminding job of Gods majesty, His justice ect., but also has some darkened counsel for job.
God says this of Job , and jobs friends
job 42:7-9 "And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. 8Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job. 9So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job."
elihu was the younger and is not reproved here because He said many right things, to remind job of the nature and majesty of God, God is God. the book of Job begins telling us
job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."
job 1:8 "And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
after satans first attackjob 1:22 "In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly."
God repeats " Job is perfect and upright" in job 2:3
He is again attackedjob 2:10 "But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips."
His freinds then show up to " comfort him" yet they start telling Him after He regrets His birth in His sorrow, that He has sinned and that is why these things Have happened to Him. Job was definately struggling to understand why?, but God maintains that Job was His righteous servant through the book.
He reproves Job near the end, yet if you follow closely, the influence of the things His friends were telling Him were affecting Jobs thoughts, Job began lamenting and all, but He maintained righteousness through all of His trials. I think it shows us alot as to the nature of God. He is understanding of our struggles, always willing to reprove and lead us to repentance, and no matter How bad things Get, He will always exalt those in the end eho hold tightly to thier faith, though not seeing, they Know the goodness of God even in the worst of times. do we sometimes get off track in our thinking and speech, sure we do, is God an understanding Lord? Yes He is.
the book of Job is depth, and depth and depth, into the goodness and majesty and Love of God, and also into the motivations of satan in our lives, also helps to understand life in this world. the dating of the book is mostly considered 6th century bc, though some date it 7th century bc which puts it in the earlier "writings" section of the hebrew. but well after Genesis and the 4 books of the Mosaic Laws dated between 15 and 13 bce wich is much earlier. along with the judges, and other prophetic books around the same time of the babylonian exile, but before between the Mosaic books, and the prophetic books, id say Job seems to be one of the oldest in the writings section for sure.
Job was a righteous man according to what God says of Him in the book, remember the book of Job he has friends that come and give Him poor counsel. and the young man elihu had several proper words of counsel, reminding job of Gods majesty, His justice ect., but also has some darkened counsel for job.
God says this of Job , and jobs friends
job 42:7-9 "And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. 8Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job. 9So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job."
elihu was the younger and is not reproved here because He said many right things, to remind job of the nature and majesty of God, God is God. the book of Job begins telling us
job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."
job 1:8 "And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
after satans first attackjob 1:22 "In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly."
God repeats " Job is perfect and upright" in job 2:3
He is again attackedjob 2:10 "But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips."
His freinds then show up to " comfort him" yet they start telling Him after He regrets His birth in His sorrow, that He has sinned and that is why these things Have happened to Him. Job was definately struggling to understand why?, but God maintains that Job was His righteous servant through the book.
He reproves Job near the end, yet if you follow closely, the influence of the things His friends were telling Him were affecting Jobs thoughts, Job began lamenting and all, but He maintained righteousness through all of His trials. I think it shows us alot as to the nature of God. He is understanding of our struggles, always willing to reprove and lead us to repentance, and no matter How bad things Get, He will always exalt those in the end eho hold tightly to thier faith, though not seeing, they Know the goodness of God even in the worst of times. do we sometimes get off track in our thinking and speech, sure we do, is God an understanding Lord? Yes He is.
the book of Job is depth, and depth and depth, into the goodness and majesty and Love of God, and also into the motivations of satan in our lives, also helps to understand life in this world. the dating of the book is mostly considered 6th century bc, though some date it 7th century bc which puts it in the earlier "writings" section of the hebrew. but well after Genesis and the 4 books of the Mosaic Laws dated between 15 and 13 bce wich is much earlier. along with the judges, and other prophetic books around the same time of the babylonian exile, but before between the Mosaic books, and the prophetic books, id say Job seems to be one of the oldest in the writings section for sure.
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Job was a righteous man because he did righteous deeds in faith...Some cannot comprehend such tasks...also this verse below presents another problem for those that think there were no righteous people in the text.
.man actually presupposes deeds and obedience in his day to day life, but when it comes to obeying God it seems to be a foreign concept to some. They can not fathom anyone like Zechorias & Elisabeth in their wildest dreams so they say its impossible, based on their own experience, however not based on the truth of scripture...Well without God that is true, but Zechorias & Elisabeth were with God, and with God all things are possible..all things pertaining to godliness..
6 And they (Zechorias & Elisabeth)were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless (perfect and upright in moral character and maturity).
.man actually presupposes deeds and obedience in his day to day life, but when it comes to obeying God it seems to be a foreign concept to some. They can not fathom anyone like Zechorias & Elisabeth in their wildest dreams so they say its impossible, based on their own experience, however not based on the truth of scripture...Well without God that is true, but Zechorias & Elisabeth were with God, and with God all things are possible..all things pertaining to godliness..
6 And they (Zechorias & Elisabeth)were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless (perfect and upright in moral character and maturity).
Yet those two as well as the shepherds commended, were all looking forward to the messiah, and when He came eternal Life is offered. even being righteous by obeying the Law, because that was all there was to judge by, they still fell short of the gospel prinicples and needed rebirth through Jesus and the gospel. lest they be left out of the Kingdom of eternal things. for instance had they participated in a stoning or three, since its a command in the Law? or had they followed an eye for an eye? tooth for a tooth. life for a life principle? many of the pharisees had also obeyed the law, but thier Hearts were still not right.
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the righteous like Nathaniel needed not repentance, but rather gladly received an increase of the Spirit when the time came..when I say needed not repentance meaning no repentance for willfull rebellion and the vile sins of the flesh...repentance for sins of ignorance, yes..
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no im not saying they were sinners at all, the scripture clearly says they were righteous before God, my point is this
john 3:3-6 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Matthew 11:11-13 "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. 13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."
more completely understood here
Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."
until Jesus came with His ministry, no one could be born again, the Law is a carnal commandment, one can be righteous according to the flesh, and thier Heart is still not what Jesus makes in us. its why eternal Life isnt preached until Jesus begins speaking it. the blessing of obedience to the Law, applies always to this lifetime ie Long years, blessings, increase ect, but they died and were told to go rest with the fathers, because the eternal Life hadnt came yet
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Jesus words are very different from anything we see prior, the things He said of His teachings, His word ect were not said before or after about any other prophets or person. the gospel is where eternal Life comes in is what im saying.
the Law was a restraint for sinners, Jesus is the cure. there is "the book of remembrance mentioned in the end of malichi i would think where the righteous of the Law fit, but there is no eternal Life without Jesus is my point, no righteousness like His
john 3:3-6 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Matthew 11:11-13 "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. 13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."
more completely understood here
Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."
until Jesus came with His ministry, no one could be born again, the Law is a carnal commandment, one can be righteous according to the flesh, and thier Heart is still not what Jesus makes in us. its why eternal Life isnt preached until Jesus begins speaking it. the blessing of obedience to the Law, applies always to this lifetime ie Long years, blessings, increase ect, but they died and were told to go rest with the fathers, because the eternal Life hadnt came yet
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Jesus words are very different from anything we see prior, the things He said of His teachings, His word ect were not said before or after about any other prophets or person. the gospel is where eternal Life comes in is what im saying.
the Law was a restraint for sinners, Jesus is the cure. there is "the book of remembrance mentioned in the end of malichi i would think where the righteous of the Law fit, but there is no eternal Life without Jesus is my point, no righteousness like His
Old spongebob is still peddling sinless perfectionism....Go read what the bible states about Daniel and then take note he, in prayer was confessing his sins....more fluff and the rejection of truth from spongebob....STILL WAITING ON YOUR ANSWER FROM THE WORKS THREAD SPONGEBOB....
Do you keep all of God's commandments and never sin 24/7/365 days of the year while always doing everything God commands...? Yes or No.....
Do you keep all of God's commandments and never sin 24/7/365 days of the year while always doing everything God commands...? Yes or No.....
More fluff from a deceptive sinless perfectionist....so grand poobah of perfection was the following sins of "so called" ignorance....
a. Peter denying the Lord 3 times
b. David taking Bathsheba and Killing Uriah
c. Thomas doubting and mouthing about it
d. Noah getting ripped and blind drunk
Your problem and fatal mistake is three fold...
a. You qualify and quantify sin
b. You peddle the impossible "sinless perfectionism"
c. You peddle a false, satanic working for gospel which has no power to save and one that is double cursed
a. Peter denying the Lord 3 times
b. David taking Bathsheba and Killing Uriah
c. Thomas doubting and mouthing about it
d. Noah getting ripped and blind drunk
Your problem and fatal mistake is three fold...
a. You qualify and quantify sin
b. You peddle the impossible "sinless perfectionism"
c. You peddle a false, satanic working for gospel which has no power to save and one that is double cursed
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Job was a SINNER!
If you won't accept that Elihu was right, then look at Job's own words:
Job 42
1Then Job answered the LORD and said:
2“I know that you can do all things,
and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
4‘Hear, and I will speak;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.’
5I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;
6therefore I despise myself,
and repent in dust and ashes.
If you won't accept that Elihu was right, then look at Job's own words:
Job 42
1Then Job answered the LORD and said:
2“I know that you can do all things,
and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
4‘Hear, and I will speak;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.’
5I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;
6therefore I despise myself,
and repent in dust and ashes.
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Notice that Elihu is NOT REPRIMANDED AND DID NOT NEED TO REPENT!
Job 42
the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.” 9So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did what the LORD had told them, and the LORD accepted Job’s prayer
Job 42
the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.” 9So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did what the LORD had told them, and the LORD accepted Job’s prayer
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God doesn't tell stupid stories but he DOES teach through parables, songs and poems.
Using figurative language isn't a bad thing. However I do believe that Job and creation are literal passages and not poetry.
Song of Songs is definitely written in figurative language.
Also can you show me the Bible verse that says that God allowed Satan to attack Job because of Job's fear?
I can't seem to find it in my Bible.
Using figurative language isn't a bad thing. However I do believe that Job and creation are literal passages and not poetry.
Song of Songs is definitely written in figurative language.
Also can you show me the Bible verse that says that God allowed Satan to attack Job because of Job's fear?
I can't seem to find it in my Bible.
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Okay I can see how if you don't read the whole Bible where you can get the false idea that fear is sin from these verses.
However I believe it refers to those who reject Jesus and don't proclaim Him to the world. Those who don't have enough faith to be persecuted and die for Jesus but instead renounce Him before men. We are told Jesus will renounce them..
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However I believe it refers to those who reject Jesus and don't proclaim Him to the world. Those who don't have enough faith to be persecuted and die for Jesus but instead renounce Him before men. We are told Jesus will renounce them..
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I found this article interesting, G777..
https://escapetoreality.org/2016/09/30/patience-of-job-james-5v11/
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https://escapetoreality.org/2016/09/30/patience-of-job-james-5v11/
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