I'm not accusing anybody of not being saved at all, I don't know who is saved and who is not. I'm just saying that if a person is reading the newer translations then the Christ that's being formed in their mind is not the same Christ that's in the KJV. I used to read the NIV and I was saved and the false Christ had been formed in my mind but God changed it for me.
King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?
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Thats abstract and confusing to me. His Word is not hidden in symbolisms of words. His Word itself is active and alive, and the Spirit, in which you reference, the third part of the triune God, the Holy Spirit ( a person) whom is witness and guarantees the redeemed thru transformation, is part and parcel to your person in Christ. This is simply life thru righteousness; which is your spirit being led and communicated with the Holy Spirit. The written word is the letter;Yet, it is the Lord, via the H.S., whom gives us understanding to the letter, as does the letter of His Word agree with the Triune God actively and with life.
I'm reading the NIV today as I travel, I will post errors, real errors that I find. 
Was Abraham considered righteous by offering Isaac? I'm gonna give my input... no he was not considered righteous by anything HE DID, he was considered righteous because he believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.
21 [FONT="]Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?[/FONT]
Was Abraham considered righteous by offering Isaac? I'm gonna give my input... no he was not considered righteous by anything HE DID, he was considered righteous because he believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.
21 [FONT="]Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?[/FONT]
I would consider this and many more translations to be true to the context of it's meaning as His Word. The hidden in symbols part is the problem. To me it is just discerning from the spirit and studying Scripture that is translated in context. Thus, the meaning we need to seek after the direction of the spirit simply thru our intellect then after first letting God discern in our spirit. Thus for example your verse:
(John 6:53):
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
Cross references:
(1 John 5:12):
Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
(Matthew 26:26-28):
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
(John 15:4):
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
(John 6:55):
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
(John 6:47):
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
(John 3:3):
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
(John 13:8):
Peter said to him, “You shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no share with me.”
(John 6:26-27):
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”
(Matthew 18:3):
and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
(Revelation 2:17):
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’
(John 3:36):
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
(John 3:5):
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
(Luke 13:5):
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
(Luke 13:3):
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
(Matthew 5:18):
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Plus: (Revelation 2:7; and Matthew 8:20).
To most of us this is a very difficult passage. It speaks in language and moves in a world of ideas which are quite strange to us and which may seem even fantastic and grotesque. But to those who heard it first, it was moving among familiar ideas which went back to the very childhood of the race.
These ideas would be quite normal to anyone brought up in ancient sacrifice. The animal was very seldom burned entire. Usually only a token part was burned on the altar, although the whole animal was offered to the god. Part of the flesh was given to the priests as their perquisite; and part to the worshipper to make a feast for himself and his friends within the temple precincts. At that feast the god himself was held to be a guest. More, once the flesh had been offered to the god, it was held that he had entered into it; and therefore when the worshipper ate it he was literally eating the god. When people rose from such a feast they went out, as they believed, literally god-filled. We may think of it as idolatrous worship, we may think of it as a vast delusion; yet the fact remains these people went out quite certain that in them there was now the dynamic vitality of their god. To people used to that kind of experience a section like this presented no difficulties at all.
Further, in that ancient world the one live form of religion was to be found in the Mystery Religions. The one thing the Mystery Religions offered was communion and even identity with some god. The way it was done was this. All the Mystery Religions were essentially passion plays. They were stories of a god who had lived and suffered terribly and who died and rose again. The story was turned into a moving play. Before the initiate could see it, he had to undergo a long course of instruction in the inner meaning of the story. He had to undergo all kinds of ceremonial purifications. He had to pass through a long period of fasting and abstention from sexual relationships.
At the actual presentation of a passion play everything was designed to produce a highly emotional atmosphere. There was carefully calculated lighting, sensuous incense, exciting music, a wonderful liturgy; everything was designed to work up the initiate to a height of emotion and expectation that he had never experienced before. Call it hallucination if you like; call it a combination of hypnotism and self hypnotism. But something happened; and that something was identity with the god. As the carefully prepared initiate watched he became one with the god. He shared the sorrows and the griefs; he shared the death, and the resurrection. He and the god became for ever one; and he was safe in life and in death.
Some of the sayings and prayers of the Mystery Religions are very beautiful. In the Mysteries of Mithra the initiate prayed: "Abide with my soul; leave me not, that I may be initiated and that the holy spirit may dwell within me." In the Hermetic Mysteries the initiate said: "I know thee Hermes, and thou knowest me; I am thou and thou art I" In the same Mysteries a prayer runs: "Come to me, Lord Hermes, as babes to mothers' wombs." In the Mysteries of Isis the worshipper said: "As truly as Osiris lives, so shall his followers live. As truly as Osiris is not dead, his followers shall die no more."
We must remember that those ancient people knew all about the striving, the longing, the dreaming for identity with their god and for the bliss of taking him into themselves. They would not read phrases like eating Christ's body and drinking his blood with crude and shocked literalism. They would know something of that ineffable experience of union, closer than any earthly union, of which these words speak. This is language that the ancient world could understand--and so can we.
It may be well that we should remember that here John is doing what he so often does. He is not giving, or trying to give, the actual words of Jesus. He has been thinking for seventy years of what Jesus said; and now, led by the Holy Spirit, he is giving the inner significance of his words. It is not the words that he reports; that would merely have been a feat of memory. It is the essential meaning of the words; that is the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
In addition, I use paraphrased versions of Scriptures, I trust, which broadens my understanding of the original etymologies and translations of Scriptures as my spirit leads me. The point I can't get is why is the KJV so pristine and all others are null and void? I don't agree with this, needless to say, I also believe the KJV is also worthy to read and accept.
(John 6:53):
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
Cross references:
(1 John 5:12):
Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
(Matthew 26:26-28):
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
(John 15:4):
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
(John 6:55):
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
(John 6:47):
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
(John 3:3):
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
(John 13:8):
Peter said to him, “You shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no share with me.”
(John 6:26-27):
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”
(Matthew 18:3):
and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
(Revelation 2:17):
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’
(John 3:36):
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
(John 3:5):
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
(Luke 13:5):
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
(Luke 13:3):
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
(Matthew 5:18):
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Plus: (Revelation 2:7; and Matthew 8:20).
To most of us this is a very difficult passage. It speaks in language and moves in a world of ideas which are quite strange to us and which may seem even fantastic and grotesque. But to those who heard it first, it was moving among familiar ideas which went back to the very childhood of the race.
These ideas would be quite normal to anyone brought up in ancient sacrifice. The animal was very seldom burned entire. Usually only a token part was burned on the altar, although the whole animal was offered to the god. Part of the flesh was given to the priests as their perquisite; and part to the worshipper to make a feast for himself and his friends within the temple precincts. At that feast the god himself was held to be a guest. More, once the flesh had been offered to the god, it was held that he had entered into it; and therefore when the worshipper ate it he was literally eating the god. When people rose from such a feast they went out, as they believed, literally god-filled. We may think of it as idolatrous worship, we may think of it as a vast delusion; yet the fact remains these people went out quite certain that in them there was now the dynamic vitality of their god. To people used to that kind of experience a section like this presented no difficulties at all.
Further, in that ancient world the one live form of religion was to be found in the Mystery Religions. The one thing the Mystery Religions offered was communion and even identity with some god. The way it was done was this. All the Mystery Religions were essentially passion plays. They were stories of a god who had lived and suffered terribly and who died and rose again. The story was turned into a moving play. Before the initiate could see it, he had to undergo a long course of instruction in the inner meaning of the story. He had to undergo all kinds of ceremonial purifications. He had to pass through a long period of fasting and abstention from sexual relationships.
At the actual presentation of a passion play everything was designed to produce a highly emotional atmosphere. There was carefully calculated lighting, sensuous incense, exciting music, a wonderful liturgy; everything was designed to work up the initiate to a height of emotion and expectation that he had never experienced before. Call it hallucination if you like; call it a combination of hypnotism and self hypnotism. But something happened; and that something was identity with the god. As the carefully prepared initiate watched he became one with the god. He shared the sorrows and the griefs; he shared the death, and the resurrection. He and the god became for ever one; and he was safe in life and in death.
Some of the sayings and prayers of the Mystery Religions are very beautiful. In the Mysteries of Mithra the initiate prayed: "Abide with my soul; leave me not, that I may be initiated and that the holy spirit may dwell within me." In the Hermetic Mysteries the initiate said: "I know thee Hermes, and thou knowest me; I am thou and thou art I" In the same Mysteries a prayer runs: "Come to me, Lord Hermes, as babes to mothers' wombs." In the Mysteries of Isis the worshipper said: "As truly as Osiris lives, so shall his followers live. As truly as Osiris is not dead, his followers shall die no more."
We must remember that those ancient people knew all about the striving, the longing, the dreaming for identity with their god and for the bliss of taking him into themselves. They would not read phrases like eating Christ's body and drinking his blood with crude and shocked literalism. They would know something of that ineffable experience of union, closer than any earthly union, of which these words speak. This is language that the ancient world could understand--and so can we.
It may be well that we should remember that here John is doing what he so often does. He is not giving, or trying to give, the actual words of Jesus. He has been thinking for seventy years of what Jesus said; and now, led by the Holy Spirit, he is giving the inner significance of his words. It is not the words that he reports; that would merely have been a feat of memory. It is the essential meaning of the words; that is the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
In addition, I use paraphrased versions of Scriptures, I trust, which broadens my understanding of the original etymologies and translations of Scriptures as my spirit leads me. The point I can't get is why is the KJV so pristine and all others are null and void? I don't agree with this, needless to say, I also believe the KJV is also worthy to read and accept.
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@ Slave. I'm about to board airplane and will read more thoroughly but consider the verse below. Jesus is the bread of life, the bread or his flesh that we eat is word of God. This is what I mean by the true word is hidden in the symbols.
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
@ Slave. I'm about to board airplane and will read more thoroughly but consider the verse below. Jesus is the bread of life, the bread or his flesh that we eat is word of God. This is what I mean by the true word is hidden in the symbols.
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
@ Slave. I'm about to board airplane and will read more thoroughly but consider the verse below. Jesus is the bread of life, the bread or his flesh that we eat is word of God. This is what I mean by the true word is hidden in the symbols.
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.