Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

[miknik5]

1 Cor. 12 Now concerning spiritual gifts . . the word gifts has been added (also in 1 Cor. 14:1, 13:2a, 14:12, 14:37a). There are a wide variety of spiritual matters being discussed not just spiritual gifts - so it's speaking of spiritual things or things of the Spirit . . . 1 Cor. 12:4 "gifts" . . . 1 Cor. 12:5 "service" . . . 1 Cor. 12:6 "working" or "energizings" . . . 1 Cor. 12:7-10 "manifestations"

I believe that every born again believer can manifest the gift of holy Spirit - 1 Cor. 12:7

I believe that every born again believer has a function within the church; i.e. the body. - we are members in particular and God has set us in the church as to our abilities - some are stronger in some areas than others - some are weaker in some areas than others - BUT one cannot do without the other.

I believe that the manifestation of the Spirit are listed in 1 Cor. 12:8-10.

that GOD will "energize" as HE chooses so that "someone" will do this and "someone" will do that? . . . probably not in the way YOU mean it . . . Each believer has been given the gift of holy Spirit - no believer is left out. The gift of holy Spirit has nine manifestations. Each individual believer manifest that gift in nine different ways - ALL are energized by the Lord. We all have the ability to manifest the Spirit that is born within us.

I believe that it is God who energizes whom he will at any given time to operate said manifestation BUT that doesn't mean that ALL are not able to manifest. If God energized us all at one time . . . nothing would be done decently and in order.

You believe that everyone can manifest all the gifts of THE HOLY SPIRIT?

yet 1 Corinthians 12:1 through 6 say otherwise

and in full context of chapter 12 and in light of what Paul says prior to vs 7 the diversity of gifts is for the whole benefit of ONE BODY of many parts

 

[miknik5]

This I do and I dont come to your concluSinn. When Paul wrote about gift lists as he did also in Romans 12 and ephesians 4 it is clear that not the same Person get all the gifts ore the same gifts. IT makes no sense if we read that Paul compare sich the church with a human body, if everybody can have all gifts. The ear can be eye and leg and arm to the same time. There is a purpose when Paul compare sich the church with the human body. Which purpose? To show that all are needed to work together and that all gifts have the same worth in Front of God. Nobody should be proud to have a better gift then the other.
Exactly this we found today in the church! And a special role we find in the so called sign gifts. This is going so far that some Christians claim to more spirituell because they have this gifts. Others telling without the gift of speaking in tongues and Christian is not a real Christian.
For to proof that all christians can have the gift of speaking in tongues you have to ignore scripture and create a new doctrine.

Hi. Read 1 Corinthians 12:1-6.

It is clear prior to vs 7 that Paul was saying the same thing and not something different from what he said in Ephesians and Romans

 

[wolfwint]

Praying in Tongues/Built Up in Faith***as we pray in tongues it builds up and edifies our spirits***many times when I have been down and prayed in tongues I begin to receive inspiration and encouragement from the Holy Spirit***I believe all can speak in tongues for speaking in tongues is not one of the 9 gifts rather it is part of the Holy Spirit's empowerment***the gift of tongues as one of the 9 gifts is to be interpreted and is for edifying people as prophecy---edification, exhortation, and comfort***for those who are hungry to learn more about the Holy Spirit I encourage you to look into the Assembly of God's theology on this subject***I have studied under some of their teachers who were educated at Princeton and Harvard, so there is firm theological teaching on this subject***another person of interest is Jack Deere who was a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas who started speaking in tongues and even seeing miracles in his ministry...

In my first years as a Christian is met people from the assembled of god and they let me know that I am not a real Christian so long I have not the 2nd baptism and can speak in tongues. I prayed for and the Lord makes me clear that this teaching is wrong. And it is not that non pentecostals telling that you must this and that. Always when I met charismatics ore pentecostals they let me know that I am not a real Christian. Well bible tells me different!

 

[wolfwint]

Hi. Read 1 Corinthians 12:1-6.

It is clear prior to vs 7 that Paul was saying the same thing and not something different from what he said in Ephesians and Romans

HI thats right. Vers 7 only says that everybody geT the manifestation. And then Paul listet the different gifts. But if we read Romans 12 we find that this List is not compleat.

 

[miknik5]

HI thats right. Vers 7 only says that everybody geT the manifestation. And then Paul listet the different gifts. But if we read Romans 12 we find that this List is not compleat.

Verses 1-6 of Corinthians 12 says that the gifts are diversified. That not everyone gets the same godt

even though this poster implies that all should by only providing verse 7

so Paul did not contradict himself in 1 Corinthians 12

he said the same thing in Corinthians that he said in Romans and Ephesians

 

[peacefulbeliever]

You don't see this as carnal bickering and tearing down of the BODY

Conaider the weaker members who look to you as the stronger member
Here you are implying that the weaker member is not where he/she should be in CHRIST's BODY. That he must exhibit the fullamifestations of the gifts of THE APIROT (as some sort of indicator of what? Faith?)

As if he/she must work to build up his/her stature in CHRIST by asking for manifestations of THE GIFTS of THE HOLY SPIRIT
CHRIST gives and enables and prepares those whom HW prepared in advance for HIS PURPOSE

These babies, if they are IN CHRIST, are where they should be if indeed they are baptized into CHRIST and have HIS SPIRIT living in and directing them as HE chooses

the stronger members are supposed to look out for the weaker nembwrs

Not cause them confusion or doubt that their faith is faith because they don't have the same visible signs as their older stronger brothers seem to have

HE gave some to be teachers, some to be apostles, for the purpose of building up HIS BODY until we all reach the UNITY of daoth

agaon, not directed in the gifts but rightly directed in HIM

I do apologize if that is the way what I am saying is being taken. It is not my intention. My hope is that babes in Christ and others will see that these things listed in 1 Cor. 8-10 are a "manifestation of the Spirit" given to all believers and not "gifts" given to some and not given to others. I was once there and I often questioned why I wasn't given a "gift" that others manifested and I was made to feel inferior. When you carefully read - it is easy to see that every believer receives the gift of holy Spirit - ONE gift with nine manifestation of that ONE gift just as there is ONE fruit but nine manifestation of that fruit - love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. (Gal. 5:22,23).

Again, I apologize to anyone I have made to feel inferior or less than the child of God that they are - all placed in the body where needed.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

And churches speaking in tongues with no one to interpret what is being said shouldn't be doing that

You are correct . . .

 

[peacefulbeliever]

They aren't speaking in biblical tongues of old. They just think they are.

I believe they are speaking in tongues. They are just not doing it in line with scripture.

 

[Rockrz]

When you carefully read - it is easy to see that every believer receives the gift of holy Spirit - ONE gift with nine manifestation of that ONE gift just as there is ONE fruit but nine manifestation of that fruit - love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. (Gal. 5:22,23).

Exactly... good post!

2 Corinthians 6:16
I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

WHO do you think that is desiring to live in us and walk in us???

That'd be the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ Who brings with Him the 9 fruits of the Holy Spirit mentioned above... and He desires to pray thru each believer in Kingdom language which is an unknown tongue... unknown to man that is, but not unknown to the Father as the Holy Spirit uses this language of the Holy Spirit to pray the perfect will of God thru us when we know not how to pray which is most of the time. This is available to ALL Christians for their personal prayer life and personal relationship with the Lord.

Not allowing the Holy Spirit to pray thru us does not necessarily make one to not be a Christian because it doesn't literally mean a person does not "have" the Holy Spirit (which is how some pentecostal folks see it)... but it does mean that Christian is living without a major, major tool that the Lord gave to His people.

Now there are some who became Christians who attack the Holy Spirit which is blasphemous and they will not be spending eternity with the Lord because of it... we will find out who those people are later when God's Children meet at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.... these folks will be absent.

all this has become is the tearing down of the BODY Not building it up

When people reject what God's Word says and oppose correction... they are tearing their own self down.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

You believe that everyone can manifest all the gifts of THE HOLY SPIRIT?

yet 1 Corinthians 12:1 through 6 say otherwise

and in full context of chapter 12 and in light of what Paul says prior to vs 7 the diversity of gifts is for the whole benefit of ONE BODY of many parts

Verses 4-6 are talking about the diversities of "distributions". The focus should not be on what a person has, but that there has been a "distribution" to the person by the Lord Jesus. Had the Corinthians understood that, they would have been more unified. We should rejoice in the face that the Lord cares for the entire body and equips people differently so that everyone in the body is blessed and having their needs met.

verse 4 is speaking of gifts that are distributed and gifts are individually given. . . the gift of salvation (Eph. 2:8); eternal life (Rom. 6:23); gift ministries (Eph. 4:7-13);
verse 5 is speaking of distributing of administrations; i.e. services, ministering to and for others
verse 6 is speaking of distributing of operations; i.e. energies or energizings - they may be different but it is the same God who energizes them

Now we have verse 7 - "NOW" or "BUT" - the subject changes from gifts, ministries, and energizings to the "manifestation". What was the subject in verses 4-6 - distributions, as in to individuals . . . now Paul is talking about something that "each one" has, which is the "manifestation" of holy Spirit.

 

[Meggido]

Verses 1-6 of Corinthians 12 says that the gifts are diversified. That not everyone gets the same godt

even though this poster implies that all should by only providing verse 7

so Paul did not contradict himself in 1 Corinthians 12

he said the same thing in Corinthians that he said in Romans and Ephesians

Mik,

To gain complete understanding of the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit, we need to read 1 Cor 12.1-11

Vs 11 is key to how these gifts are given to people

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

The Holy Spirit distributes these gifts to each one as he wills. Proper interpretation of this verse means this:

If the Holy Spirit needs one of the gifts of healing and the gift of discerning of spirits at the same time for ministering to someone, then he can use 2 people [1 for each gift] or even 1 person in both gifts.

The gifts in 1 Cor 12 are for ministry and subject to the Holy Spirit using who he wills in these gifts.

The gifts in 1 Cor 12.1-11 are not the same as the grace gifts found in Romans 12.1-6 & 1 Peter 4.10-11

Everyone has been given a Romans 12 or 1 Peter 4 grace gifts at conversion and according to the differing grace each one has been given.These gifts are usually used or should be used in the local church body, Sunday School teacher, Board administration, mercy ministries, encouraging greeter, one who gives monetary resources for church outreaches, one who perceives and helps you listen to the voice of God for yourself.

 

[notuptome]

The whole context of 1 Cor. 12 - 14 concerns spiritual matters. I am not basing anything on my experiences . . . what experiences would I be using? Paul said: "I thank my God that I speak with tongues more than you all." Did I say that I have evidence that anything spoken in the early church was anything other than human languages??? If so, where?

"I thank my God that I speak with tongues more than you all." . . . You read that as Paul being multilingual - I read it as Paul speaking in tongues, i.e manifesting the gift of holy Spirit which is within the context of 1 Cor. 12-14.

Yes, Paul did say that 1 Cor. 14:19 but he also said that he spake with tongues more than all of them.

I would that you all spake with tongues, but rather that you prophesied: for greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, EXCEPT (unless) he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 1 Cor. 14:5

if any man speak in an tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course (in order); and let one interpret. 1 Cor. 14:27

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order. 1 Cor. 14:39,40

Paul was likely fluent in the three major languages of the time. This is a gift that God gave him to make Paul a minister to establish churches through Asia minor and all the way to Rome.

Until you are able accept that tongues are languages and human languages you will continue to labor in error.

God is able to do anything but God will not do anything that transgresses His word.

Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Verses 1-6 of Corinthians 12 says that the gifts are diversified. That not everyone gets the same godt

even though this poster implies that all should by only providing verse 7

so Paul did not contradict himself in 1 Corinthians 12

he said the same thing in Corinthians that he said in Romans and Ephesians

Yes, this poster implies that verse 7 says: But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man for the common good.

What do you believe this verse to say?

 

[Meggido]

Paul was likely fluent in the three major languages of the time. This is a gift that God gave him to make Paul a minister to establish churches through Asia minor and all the way to Rome.

Until you are able accept that tongues are languages and human languages you will continue to labor in error.

God is able to do anything but God will not do anything that transgresses His word.

Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If what you say is true, then how do account for Acts 19.1-6 and the 12 disciples.

Paul was speaking, listening and conversing with with those men in the same human language yet when he laid hands on them they prophesied and spoke in tongues.

If your doctrine is true, then that verse would prove to be a lie.

Why? Because Paul and the men were already talking in a human language Paul and the other men knew and understood, and nobody but Paul, Luke and the 12 men were around, so there was no need for the 12 to be speaking a different human language to anyone else. Yet when the Holy Spirit came upon the 12 they prophesied and spoke in tongues.

I am sure, as a cessastionist , you have a carnal answer this, but the fact remains, something else was going on here and Acts 19.1-6 refutes your human language theory.

 

[wolfwint]

If what you say is true, then how do account for Acts 19.1-6 and the 12 disciples.

Paul was speaking, listening and conversing with with those men in the same human language yet when he laid hands on them they prophesied and spoke in tongues.

If your doctrine is true, then that verse would prove to be a lie.

Why? Because Paul and the men were already talking in a human language Paul and the other men knew and understood, and nobody but Paul, Luke and the 12 men were around, so there was no need for the 12 to be speaking a different human language to anyone else. Yet when the Holy Spirit came upon the 12 they prophesied and spoke in tongues.

I am sure, as a cessastionist , you have a carnal answer this, but the fact remains, something else was going on here and Acts 19.1-6 refutes your human language theory.

Maby we should read what is written, without our input and interpretation. If you read read passages which speak from people which received the Holy Spirit, like acts 10, 8 ore 19 you will Note that was a purpose why these eventuell were told. Gentiles for Jewish were out of salvation. Same with the Samaritians. So acts 8 and 10 shows the Jews that the same salvation is for Samaritians and Gentiles too. For the disciples of John the Baptist it was clear know that the Salvation is in Jesus Christ. Nothing more! No doctrine of speaking in tongues!

 

[miknik5]

Mik,

To gain complete understanding of the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit, we need to read 1 Cor 12.1-11

Vs 11 is key to how these gifts are given to people

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

The Holy Spirit distributes these gifts to each one as he wills. Proper interpretation of this verse means this:

If the Holy Spirit needs one of the gifts of healing and the gift of discerning of spirits at the same time for ministering to someone, then he can use 2 people [1 for each gift] or even 1 person in both gifts.

The gifts in 1 Cor 12 are for ministry and subject to the Holy Spirit using who he wills in these gifts.

The gifts in 1 Cor 12.1-11 are not the same as the grace gifts found in Romans 12.1-6 & 1 Peter 4.10-11

Everyone has been given a Romans 12 or 1 Peter 4 grace gifts at conversion and according to the differing grace each one has been given.These gifts are usually used or should be used in the local church body, Sunday School teacher, Board administration, mercy ministries, encouraging greeter, one who gives monetary resources for church outreaches, one who perceives and helps you listen to the voice of God for yourself.

Is the church restricted to a structural building sir?
no its not everyone r born of HIS SPIRIT are baptized by ONE BAPTISM and ONE SPIRIT and yes into ONE LORD who gives to those who are of and in ONE BODY as HE purposes

and Paul's letters were addressed ONLY to those in THE BODY
And THAT ONE BODY is not a structural church at all but HIS BODY led by HIS SPIRIT

Not all in the ONE BODY have the same gifts
and there is not a second baptism or a second outpouring of THE HOLY SPIRIT


we all drank of ONE SPIRIT and HE will give gifts as HE chooses

 

[miknik5]

The gifts of THE SPIRIT are not limited behind the doors of the church building nor are the gifts restricted to be in service to only believers

though these gifts can only be given to believers, those believers have a ministry which is to bring glory and honor to HIS NAME to anyone who is ministered to. Whether believer or unbeliever for ONE PURPOSE ..That men may come to know CHRIST


HE is magnified
All glory and honor is given HIM
not the gift

 

[88]

In my first years as a Christian is met people from the assembled of god and they let me know that I am not a real Christian so long I have not the 2nd baptism and can speak in tongues. I prayed for and the Lord makes me clear that this teaching is wrong. And it is not that non pentecostals telling that you must this and that. Always when I met charismatics ore pentecostals they let me know that I am not a real Christian. Well bible tells me different!

***I was involved with the Assemblies of God and personally apologize for anyone telling you that you were not a real Christian***speaking in tongues does not qualify or disqualify you to be a Christian...

 

[miknik5]

Yes, this poster implies that verse 7 says: But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man for the common good.

What do you believe this verse to say?

I believe it to mean just what is said.

Theres only ONE SPIRIT and whatever manifestation of that ONE SPIRIT given to every man as verses 1 through 6 further explains though diversified gifts, they are still the workings of ONE SPIRIT for the common good of that ONE BODY

 

[miknik5]

Rather go on to the verses after vs 7 and see if you don't understand that every man (in the BODY) receives different gifts for the common good of THE ONE BODY


4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.