Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

Andycross · Jun 17, 2017

Its a gift from God, you dont need training, if you have it then you work on it, like any other muscle.
“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” (1 Corinthians 12:7-11)

plainguy · Jun 17, 2017

Andycross said:

Which is it ? In one breath you say you don't need training ... yet follow that up with "if you have it, then you work on it". Isn't working on it the same as training ... or practicing it, so to speak ? Did those of the apostolic era have to "work on it" ? I've yet to read this working on it thing in the scriptures. There's a good reason for that. I'll leave it to the readers to figure that out.

Andycross · Jun 17, 2017

plainguy said:

Ok I learn that it is a gift as stated in 1 Corinthians 12:7=11. many have prayed for this to and not received.
If you do not have it how can you work on it or as you say training on it?
And of course by having the gift understanding. Sometimes we have to go on courses to find out what is our gifting and for it to be brought out.
Not all have the gift of tongues, & not all have the gift to entrepret them

miknik5 · Jun 17, 2017

Rockrz said:

The devil purpose is to cause confusion and offer any sort of distraction or substitutions so that people forget the PERFECT WILL of GOD

miknik5 · Jun 17, 2017

Rockrz said:

I went to one of those churches back in the day and they never taught that one was not a Christian is they did not speak in tongues... they just said it was important and it is.

If you don't mind not having the Holy Spirit pray the perfect will of God thru you, and you don't mind the devil being able to understand everything you pray... then go without.

That's just one manifestation of numerous types of tongues... get with the program man!

This statement just proves you don't know your Bible very well...

The PERFECT WILL (and WORK) of GOD for all men is clearly stated in John 6

Jesus001 · Jun 17, 2017

In my experience talking in tongues yes is a way to talk to god or praise him. Its really easy to get caught up in the earthly things of this world and Jesus really knows that! God bless!

Enow · Jun 17, 2017

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The question is; how do you know that the healing came from speaking in tongues?

Joyce Meyers testified when the Holy Spirit came over her bringing tongues, to her, that was a sign that God was calling her into the ministries.

My neighbor across the street had been a believer for most of her life until one day when reading her Bible, she claimed the Holy Spirit came over her and she spoke in tongues. She claimed that was when she was saved because she got the Spirit & tongues all at once.

If you believe these people are wrong for how they take that phenomenon to mean, how do you know that speaking in tongues brought the healing? How can you prove that you would have been healed anyway without you speaking in tongues?

If speaking in tongues brought such a personal benefit, then Paul would have spoken about it, but he did not. I certainly cannot see how the gift of prophesy is better than the gift of tongues if that was the case, but yet Paul was exhorting believers that if they seek any spiritual gift, they were to seek the gift of prophesy in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter.

I certainly cannot see why the gift of healing is listed separate from the gift of tongues if healing can come by way of the gift of tongues.

The bigger problem I would have if I was a tongue speaker is how do I know what was being done by that tongue if it is to come without interpretation? As Paul said, it is unfruitful to me if I did believe tongues can be used without interpretation.

But certainly, the biggest problem that a tongue speaker should have is why did this happen separate from salvation? Why not when I, as a tongue speaker, happened when I was saved when I first had believed in Jesus Christ at my salvation?

Why no other gift is being exhorted to seek in receiving the Holy Spirit separate from my salvation? Why only tongues that can never comes with interpretation? And yet Paul told us to seek the gift of prophesy over tongues even.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

So Paul was explaining why the gift of prophesy was better by comparing the individual gift of tongues against the individual gift of prophesy in explaining why prophesy is better. Paul was not saying that tongues can be used alone when thru out that chapter, Paul testified that same tongues talked about in verse 2 is the same tongue in that chapter that is unfruitful even to the tongue speaker until it was interpreted .

But somehow or another, the message in context of the whole chapter is lost when tongue speakers insist taking verse 2 out of context of what Paul was doing in explaining why prophesy is better than even tongues.

The way you guys are applying the scripture at the expense of the others verses in that chapter, one would think Paul did not know what he was talking about because, by you guys' testimonies, including the one in the OP, tongues was & is way better than the gift of prophesy.

If He doesn't wake you up in how you have to be applying Paul's words wrongly, then I fail to see the benefit of speaking in tongues as you listed it in the title of the OP when you do not know what the tongue being spoken is being used for?

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?[SUP] 9 [/SUP]So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. [SUP]10 [/SUP]There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? [SUP]17 [/SUP]For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

This is Paul still explaining why the gift of prophesy is better than tongues because it was never meant to be a stand alone gift used in the assembly, and certainly not individually when it is unfruitful to the tongue speaker unless interpreted.

Andycross · Jun 18, 2017

plainguy said:

Do you have this gift? do you do everything in Christ according the Scripture? so then you walking in the Spirit of today?
Words may jump out at you, but some people live in Christ, they don't just read scripture to lead them.
Sounds like you dont listen to God today, only in Scripture

BenFTW · Jun 18, 2017

Andycross said:

I mean, scripture is His word, so if you're reading it and listening to it, are you not hearing the resounding sound of His voice? Are you not gleaning from His wisdom? Are you not gaining understanding? You should applaud this man for abiding in God's word, not diminish it. Yet also, encourage him that God is alive and active, His sheep hear His voice. Yes, that includes God speaking to us through His word, the Bible. However it too is through a witness in the mind and spirit, of hearing Him speak to us, and leading us.

joaniemarie · Jun 18, 2017

As much as many Christians do not do this or even like to do this., (and we should) take into account the fact that human personality is not something God wipes away from each of us when we get saved. So when we each enter into a relationship with Jesus., "we" take ourselves with alll our quirks and personal issues of living with us when we meet Jesus and begin walking with Him. And Jesus accepts us every day like that because He Himself gave us the gift of His righteousness. We are always and always will be accepted in the beloved.

So because we are still "us" relating to the Holy Spirit., He is still and always perfect but not so much us since we have never been still and always perfect.... so even though we have Him in us., He doesn't take our personality away when we begin to walk like Christ. Somehow He takes "us" as we are and begins to mold us and make us yet we retain our individual personalities. Some get changed faster more than others but even so., the personality of the individual is still intact. It's us after all. Some of us like solitude., some of us thrive on company. Some of us are well balanced and enjoy both. But none of those are wrong in themselves.

So if some of us don't say the exact right and perfect words with mannerisms the way the Holy Spirit would (because He is perfect and always cool, calm and collected with all wisdom and all proper AND winsome too)., it doesn't mean we are horrible Christians. It just means we are fallible Christians who need to love and show love to our brethren just the way the Lord loves us every day. Knowing there is therefore now NO condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

Speaking in tongues comes to each of us and we each make it our own language as only He can give it to us and as only we can take it and begin using it. Just as we took our salvation and began walking it out., we take the gifts and walk them out. I'm sure I don't speak the exact same way as everyone here on CC does and vs/vs. We each read our Bibles differently. Some like to read some like to hear. Some have a notebook., some don't. Some read in the morning some read in the day some read in the evening....

It is fool hearty to expect each of us to be the same just because we are Christians. We meet on the Solid Rock of Jesus Christ the Son of God and we can fellowship together because we do each have Holy Spirit. But lets not measure ourselves with and by ourselves. That is where the enemy divides us and puts the focus on "us" and not Jesus. Then we all scatter. And isn't that what happens when the sheep are without their Shepherd? The enemy wins each time when we scatter. A house divided cannot stand.

plainguy · Jun 18, 2017

Andycross said:

No, I don't have the gift of speaking in tongues. And anytime I've heard somebody who claims they do and have heard them verbalize it (and I have), I have felt very uncomfortable with it. It sounds and feels amiss to me ... not genuine. Does God's Spirit bring conflicting emotions of discernment to Christ's fold ? If somebody who professes Christ as Lord is left to feel this way, what does it do to those seeking God who have yet come to know Him ? Does it matter ? Should it ? What of being a stumbling block to others for the sake of a "self-edifying gift" ? That's where I'm at with it and I see no changes concerning this issue in my walk personally that would ever make me want to seek what many proclaim to have.

joaniemarie · Jun 19, 2017

plainguy said:

I felt very similar to what you just described being around those who are speaking in tongues only a few years ago. Something sounded "amiss" and not genuine. We may not know how to think about something we were taught for so long like those people who speak in tongues. So our only way of dealing with such a thing is by avoiding it.

We are all in need of a renewal of our minds. Even those things we believed we were solidly sure about. I was so uncomfortable with those who spoke in tongues I avoided them after that like the plague. Those people were to be avoided at all costs. Something inside me said get away from them!! They are weird and emotional. My pastor said they are of the devil. He said the Holy Spirit doesn't work that way. So I just followed what the rest of the sheep were doing. Is it any wonder I was uncomfortable around those who spoke in tongues?

Turns out I learned something about my own personality. I am not always right. And I will usurp the authority of the Holy Spirit in my life based on my own understanding of the Bible and what I have always been taught. And the Holy Spirit will not force me to see what the Bible says if I'm not willing. He will lead me but He will not force me. He is One that guides and teaches and comforts. He will never force me. And if I don't want to be around different kinds of people based on my own feelings., He will not force me to not fear. If I'm determined to not be afraid and not change, He will not force me to and will allow me to fear and believe these people are nuts.

Feelings are NOT to be followed in life as a compass for the will of God. The Holy Spirit doesn't lead with fear but with a calm discipline that comforts and is in control. Conflicting emotions are how we deal with issues we don't understand. It's not how the Holy Spirit deals with issues we don't understand. He is the Teacher. If we are not willing to learn He will not grab hold of the rod and beat us into submission.

Today I pray in tongues and I sing in tongues. I would never have believed it a few years ago. I have learned there is so much we do based on our own understanding. I now read the verse in the Bible that says Trust in the Lord with all your heart and LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING as something much different than I did before.

Our own understanding will cause us to stay in one place that is not where God would want us. But because He is so gracious., He will not force us even though He can. He wants us to walk by faith willingly. And once we learn to trust Him and walk by faith and not by sight ., He will take us to many places in our life that we never expected or dreamed of.

pottersclay · Jun 19, 2017

Ya know sometimes I set back when these type of disagreements come and ask what would be the reason for this. Is there any example the Lord placed on this earth to give some clarity to this subject.
Now this is not scriptural but I have pondered this thought of possibility.
Through the psalms and such it says the birds give praise as the dawn breaks and so on.
That creation sings and that everything that has breath praise the Lord.

Now it is known in the animal kingdom that certain creatures birth in community gatherings.
Now the parents know there child not by site but by there distinct sound they make over the hundreds maybe thousands of similar sounds.

If the Lord has named all the stars and planets can he not give you a unique tongue?

In the book of revelation their is a short time where the Lord silences heaven and listens.
Could it be that he is listening for a familiar sound before he executes his wrath.
Not that he could of missed any one but to demonstrate his love and reluctance to bring final judgement.

Go ahead and draw your swords if you want but .....there is a possibility.

Jesus says my sheep know my voice.....I believe he also knows mine.

Andycross · Jun 19, 2017

plainguy said:

Ok some good questions there I like it

Yes He dos bring discernment to know and understand others, we see by the fruits also. Just because we feel uncomfortable with it dos not mean to say its not right. If the enemy attacks us and we know about it, do we feel comfortable? no. I have seen so many levels of where people are at. you wouldn't delve into strong warfare as a young Christian would you. many things are not talked about and many thing people don't need to know as there ok where they are with Christ, they wouldn't understand in alot of areas as they dont see this in Christ yet. they may not want to look into the gifting, the healing or any of that.
As a new a new christian comes in he is fed milk as a child, when they grow up they are fed more solid foods & proceed to the meat.
If you open one door and find out many things of the heavenly things there are soo many more doors to open, but because its new and unfamiliar its going to feel uncomfortable, its not natural for the flesh. It says in Romans 12:2 [FONT=&quot]Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will. And Ephesians 6:12 [/FONT] For our struggle is not against the flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil In the heavenly realms.
These gifts are not just for ourselves but to help others, and help others come to the Lord, and to pass our understanding to others, its not just about us.
Love for Jesus is the main thing, I don't know everything and never will but Jesus helps me Alot

miknik5 · Jun 19, 2017

Andycross said:

Ok some good questions there I like it

Yes He dos bring discernment to know and understand others, we see by the fruits also. Just because we feel uncomfortable with it dos not mean to say its not right. If the enemy attacks us and we know about it, do we feel comfortable? no. I have seen so many levels of where people are at. you wouldn't delve into strong warfare as a young Christian would you. many things are not talked about and many thing people don't need to know as there ok where they are with Christ, they wouldn't understand in alot of areas as they dont see this in Christ yet. they may not want to look into the gifting, the healing or any of that.
As a new a new christian comes in he is fed milk as a child, when they grow up they are fed more solid foods & proceed to the meat.
If you open one door and find out many things of the heavenly things there are soo many more doors to open, but because its new and unfamiliar its going to feel uncomfortable, its not natural for the flesh. It says in Romans 12:2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will. And Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against the flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil In the heavenly realms.
These gifts are not just for ourselves but to help others, and help others come to the Lord, and to pass our understanding to others, its not just about us.
Love for Jesus is the main thing, I don't know everything and never will but Jesus helps me Alot

HIS good and pleasing and perfect WILL is mentioned in JOHN 6

Andycross · Jun 19, 2017

miknik5 said:

What about it?

DJ2 · Jun 19, 2017

Rockrz said:

Ten Scriptural Reasons to Speak in Tongues

1. God Speaks to us Through Tongues: "For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people ..." (Isaiah 28:11-12 and 1 Corinthians 14:21 ).

2. We Speak to God: "For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not to man, but to God" (1 Corinthians 14:2 ).

3. In the Spirit we Speak Mysteries ("secrets between friends; what is known only to the initiated"): "For he that speaks in an unknown tongue ... speaks unto God ... in the Spirit he speaks mysteries" (1 Corinthians 14:2 ).

4. We Edify ("build up") Ourselves: "He that speaks in an unknown tongue edifies himself" (1Corinthians 14:4 and Jude 20 ).

5. Tongues and Interpretation are Gifts of The Holy Spirit: "To another many kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues" (1 Corinthians 12:10 ).

The nine Gifts of the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 are given to unite and build up the Church via the individuals who exercise (or manifest) them in the love of Jesus. These two gifts are specific gifts which not every Spirit-filled believer exercises, while general speaking in tongues is for all. "I would that you all spake with tongues" (1 Corinthians 14:5 ).

6. Tongues is our Spirit Praying: "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays" (1 Corinthians 14:14 ).

7. Tongues are for Speaking, Praying and Singing unto God: "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also ..." (1 Corinthians 14:15-17 ).

8. Tongues are to Bless ("to speak well of, praise, as men toward God") and Give Thanks to God: "Else when you shall bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupies the room of the unlearned ("one who has no professional knowledge" - of the Spirit; has not been initiated or sealed - Ephesians 1:13 )say Amen at your giving of thanks, seeing he understands not what you are saying" (1 Corinthians 14:16-17 ).

9. Tongues are for a Sign to Unbelievers: "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not" (1 Corinthians 14:22 ).

10. Tongues are for All to Benefit Spiritually: "I would that you all spake with tongues ... I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than you all ... Wherefore, brethren ... forbid not to speak with tongues" (1 Corinthians 14:5 , 18, 39).

No matter how many verses you quote to prove tongues existed, it does not prove you are speaking in tongues.

dcontroversal · Jun 19, 2017

DJ2 said:

When a man that has not had a lick of Chinese can stand up and speak fluent Chinese and another man who has not had Chinese can understand it and proclaim in English a message that honors God and is biblical in scope......then I might start buying it....

Enow · Jun 19, 2017

dcontroversal said:

I wouldn't buy it when there is no Chinese in the roomful of English speaking people to benefit from that.

Since the whole point of the manifestations is to profit the body withal, then to edify the body of believers where no foreigners are present, I believe the Holy Spirit would just go straight to prophesy as in edifying one another in their own language.

Since the scripture is available in every pew, those led by the Spirit of God would be led to the scripture for edification.

May everyone know that tongues gained by a lie, which is to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation with evidence of tongues, cannot be God's gift of tongues since tongues were never to serve as a sign to believers about anything; tongues were to serve as a sign to unbelievers. Indeed, it would explain why that supernatural tongue which was in the world before Pentecost, never comes with interpretation nor understood by a foreigner because it is just vain & profane babbling.

May God be peradventuring to recover some from the snare of the devil.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

2 Thessalonians 2:13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Thessalonians 3:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

dcontroversal · Jun 19, 2017

Enow said:

I wouldn't buy it when there is no Chinese in the roomful of English speaking people to benefit from that.

Since the whole point of the manifestations is to profit the body withal, then to edify the body of believers where no foreigners are present, I believe the Holy Spirit would just go straight to prophesy as in edifying one another in their own language.

Since the scripture is available in every pew, those led by the Spirit of God would be led to the scripture for edification.

May everyone know that tongues gained by a lie, which is to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation with evidence of tongues, cannot be God's gift of tongues since tongues were never to serve as a sign to believers about anything; tongues were to serve as a sign to unbelievers. Indeed, it would explain why that supernatural tongue which was in the world before Pentecost, never comes with interpretation nor understood by a foreigner because it is just vain & profane babbling.

May God be peradventuring to recover some from the snare of the devil.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

2 Thessalonians 2:13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Thessalonians 3:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

When a man that has not had a lick of Chinese can stand up and speak fluent Chinese and another man who has not had Chinese can understand it and proclaim in English a message that honors God and is biblical in scope......then I might start buying it....

Not to say I would.......

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