Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

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Originally Posted by dcontroversal
When a man that has not had a lick of Chinese can stand up and speak fluent Chinese and another man who has not had Chinese can understand it and proclaim in English a message that honors God and is biblical in scope......then I might start buying it....

Not to say I would.......
We have seen this manifest in multi-ethnic churches here in the USA and the mission fields outside of the USA.

I cannot speak or understand Spanish. I was in a Spain helping one of our missionaries and I was ministering to a local and when I spoke I heard English, when I spoke he heard Spanish. The local could not speak or understand English.
 
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then I might start buying it....
This means you are a cherry picker who refuses to believe all scriptures on this subject.

Lots of folks have joined Cherry Pickers R Us.

I might make a satire website about that... expose how modern man-made carnal religious teachings bases much of what they believe on cherry pickin God's Word instead of believing the whole counsel of God.




I cannot speak or understand Spanish. I was in a Spain helping one of our missionaries and I was ministering to a local and when I spoke I heard English, when I spoke he heard Spanish. The local could not speak or understand English.
That's just one of several manifestations of speaking in tongues... this part comes in very handy when needed, but there are other manifestations as this is not the only way the Holy Spirit works with tongues.
 

DJ2

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This means you are a cherry picker who refuses to believe all scriptures on this subject.

Lots of folks have joined Cherry Pickers R Us.

I might make a satire website about that... expose how modern man-made carnal religious teachings bases much of what they believe on cherry pickin God's Word instead of believing the whole counsel of God.






That's just one of several manifestations of speaking in tongues... this part comes in very handy when needed, but there are other manifestations as this is not the only way the Holy Spirit works with tongues.
​What it means is that we don't believe YOU.
 
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Your use of anecdotal evidence is mind numbing. Could you just show some proof of your many claims and if not, why not?
Your disbelief is likewise mind numbing.
 
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The benefits of any form of speaking in tongues or praising in tongues or praying tongues are not required but can be,if used properly,spiritually good in your bond between you and God,I said if used properly,because it is written"there must be an interpeter when two or more propecy or speak in tongues" though if you wish to speak In tongues,praise in tongue,or pray in tongues you are at liberty to do so by yourself when exclaiming devotion to God,because in this way Jesus is your mediator to God,otherwise your interpreter to God,for indeed God knows clearly what you say whether outloud or to yourself in a crowd,but God expects,ORDER,when 2 or more are gathered together,"For God is not the author of confusion,but of peace," so when concerning tongues,"let all things be done decently and in order"(I just read in 1 Corinthians chp.14) though paul tells that is better to prophecy than to speak in "unknown" tongues,for to prophecy edifies one's self and understanding is gained,where as to speak in tongues if you have an interpreter it edifies the church,but if you have no interpreter paul states,"except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood,how shall it be known what is spoken?" "for ye shall speak into the air",so you see the church or any who speak unknown tongues in groups of 2 or more must have an interpreter simple as that,if church congregations lack this "Truth" then simply bring it before the congregation,because it really is such a simple thing to remember,when using unknown tongues in churches or crowds,just be sure to apply this otherwise doing so lacketh "understanding" because it is a means of communicating with God,in thanks or asking for help or praise,but if not used properly if anyone whom know not what you do nor what you say come amongst the church then you will seem as mad to them! as in simply be sure that not just your church can understand what you do in use of the gift of unknown tongues,but also those who come from without your church,because it's kind of like saying to them, we have enough,God needs only us,we know what we're doing but we don't need you to understand,because with no interpreter,it's kind of like, a person coming in to the church and feel like their intruding because you give no way for them to understand if you are just having fun saying alot that makes no sense or if you are speaking unto God through unknown tongues,there in lies the importance of an interpreter,not keeping the blessings of God to yourself but rather sharing them with others,for what profits God from only having just a church congregation that isn't added to,because praise and prayer are indeed important,but seeking out lost souls and helping them come to God is far "MORE IMPORTANT" than just praise and prayer,for you make use of what God has given you so that God "Gains" from your "Actions"!!!
 

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Your use of anecdotal evidence is mind numbing. Could you just show some proof of your many claims and if not, why not?
How would you suggest that he prove this? He could take you to Spain but would that help if you don't speak in tongues?

good grief.

Life in the Spirit is never dull. Mind boggling though at times.
 

DJ2

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Maybe if you had the mind of a child it would be easier for you to believe...
If you had the mind of an adult you could see the folly of your baseless claims.

When I was a child I thought like a child. When I became a man I thought like a man. (1st Corinthians 13:11)

I will ask again, where is the proof of your claims.
 

DJ2

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How would you suggest that he prove this? He could take you to Spain but would that help if you don't speak in tongues?

good grief.

Life in the Spirit is never dull. Mind boggling though at times.
His use of anecdotal evidence and nothing else is clearly a sign that his views are bogus. If he had any real proof he would have shown it long ago.
 

stonesoffire

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The problem Mr. DJ2, is you aren't thinking of the miraculous. It's not a strange story to those who have experienced similar events.
 
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The benefits of any form of speaking in tongues or praising in tongues or praying tongues are not required but can be,if used properly,spiritually good in your bond between you and God,I said if used properly,because it is written"there must be an interpeter when two or more propecy or speak in tongues" though if you wish to speak In tongues,praise in tongue,or pray in tongues you are at liberty to do so by yourself when exclaiming devotion to God,because in this way Jesus is your mediator to God,otherwise your interpreter to God,for indeed God knows clearly what you say whether outloud or to yourself in a crowd,but God expects,ORDER,when 2 or more are gathered together,"For God is not the author of confusion,but of peace," so when concerning tongues,"let all things be done decently and in order"(I just read in 1 Corinthians chp.14) though paul tells that is better to prophecy than to speak in "unknown" tongues,for to prophecy edifies one's self and understanding is gained,where as to speak in tongues if you have an interpreter it edifies the church,but if you have no interpreter paul states,"except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood,how shall it be known what is spoken?" "for ye shall speak into the air",so you see the church or any who speak unknown tongues in groups of 2 or more must have an interpreter simple as that,if church congregations lack this "Truth" then simply bring it before the congregation,because it really is such a simple thing to remember,when using unknown tongues in churches or crowds,just be sure to apply this otherwise doing so lacketh "understanding" because it is a means of communicating with God,in thanks or asking for help or praise,but if not used properly if anyone whom know not what you do nor what you say come amongst the church then you will seem as mad to them! as in simply be sure that not just your church can understand what you do in use of the gift of unknown tongues,but also those who come from without your church,because it's kind of like saying to them, we have enough,God needs only us,we know what we're doing but we don't need you to understand,because with no interpreter,it's kind of like, a person coming in to the church and feel like their intruding because you give no way for them to understand if you are just having fun saying alot that makes no sense or if you are speaking unto God through unknown tongues,there in lies the importance of an interpreter,not keeping the blessings of God to yourself but rather sharing them with others,for what profits God from only having just a church congregation that isn't added to,because praise and prayer are indeed important,but seeking out lost souls and helping them come to God is far "MORE IMPORTANT" than just praise and prayer,for you make use of what God has given you so that God "Gains" from your "Actions"!!!

Ever hear of PARAGRAPHS???

Must have been educated in the liberal public school system





​What it means is that we don't believe YOU
No really, I don't give a fat rat's backside what you believe one way or the other.


There are other scriptures on tongues that speak of a private manifestations of tongues that are "unknown" and that person is speaking unto the Lord.

You obviously have either not seen these other verses that speak of different kinds of tongues or satan talked you out of believing God's Word on the matter.

Either way, you have been deceived on this subject. Enjoy!
 

DJ2

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The problem Mr. DJ2, is you aren't thinking of the miraculous. It's not a strange story to those who have experienced similar events.
If we were to accept claims based of anecdotal evidence we would have to accept bigfoot, space aliens and the lochness monster as real. Are you ready to go down that aisle?
 

stonesoffire

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What does any of that have to do with the miraculous of Holy Spirit?
 

DJ2

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Ever hear of PARAGRAPHS???

Must have been educated in the liberal public school system







No really, I don't give a fat rat's backside what you believe one way or the other.


There are other scriptures on tongues that speak of a private manifestations of tongues that are "unknown" and that person is speaking unto the Lord.

You obviously have either not seen these other verses that speak of different kinds of tongues or satan talked you out of believing God's Word on the matter.

Either way, you have been deceived on this subject. Enjoy!
I believe 100% what the Bible states about speaking in tongues, this is why I do not believe your baseless hearsay claims.
 
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You very obviously do not actually believe God's Word on this subject...

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

You don't believe this one do ya???

Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.


You probably don't believe this one either. These are a couple of passages dealing with personal prayer in tongues.

The only heresy going on here is folks calling God's Word a lie!
 

DJ2

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You very obviously do not actually believe God's Word on this subject...

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

You don't believe this one do ya???

Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.


You probably don't believe this one either. These are a couple of passages dealing with personal prayer in tongues.

The only heresy going on here is folks calling God's Word a lie!
So if so one doubts you they are calling God a liar?
 
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So if so one doubts you they are calling God a liar?
Nice dodge there slippery sam... did ya read those two scriptures on personal prayer in tongues??


Did ya, huh? Did ya? Huh???

Yes, give us yo enlightened commentary... I'll hold...
 

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Exactly... good post!

2 Corinthians 6:16

I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

WHO do you think that is desiring to live in us and walk in us???

That'd be the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ Who brings with Him the 9 fruits of the Holy Spirit mentioned above... and He desires to pray thru each believer in Kingdom language which is an unknown tongue... unknown to man that is, but not unknown to the Father as the Holy Spirit uses this language of the Holy Spirit to pray the perfect will of God thru us when we know not how to pray which is most of the time. This is available to ALL Christians for their personal prayer life and personal relationship with the Lord.

Not allowing the Holy Spirit to pray thru us does not necessarily make one to not be a Christian because it doesn't literally mean a person does not "have" the Holy Spirit (which is how some pentecostal folks see it)... but it does mean that Christian is living without a major, major tool that the Lord gave to His people.

Now there are some who became Christians who attack the Holy Spirit which is blasphemous and they will not be spending eternity with the Lord because of it... we will find out who those people are later when God's Children meet at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.... these folks will be absent.






When people reject what God's Word says and oppose correction... they are tearing their own self down.
Where is it written that when the Holy Spirit is praying for us, that this means the praying in tongues? And again, Paul clear says that not all christians receive the gift of speaking in tongues! And again your teaching of speaking in tongues came up with the pentecostal movement and was not taught during the whole churchhistory. Then if I am not wrong then pentecostals and Charismatics teaches that the gift of speaking in tongues is combined with the 2nd baptism with the Holy Spirit. This is not taught in the bible. If we can get the speaking in tongues as gift then this has nothing to do with a special event. Then it would be given when we became born again! So you base your theology of a false teaching about the Holy Spirit.
And if you would be right, then we would have today no different between pentecostals and non pentecostals because the Spirit would give this gift all, independ fRom their denomination. But it is not! We have to note that only pentecostals and Charismatics claim to speak in tongues.
 
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Where is it written that when the Holy Spirit is praying for us, that this means the praying in tongues?
Romans 8:26,27
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit Himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be understood (unknown toungue).
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.




And again, Paul clear says that not all christians receive the gift of speaking in tongues!
And again, that's false... he is referring to speaking in tongues in public for interpretation which has nothing to do with private prayer in tongues.



And again your teaching of speaking in tongues came up with the pentecostal movement
And again your rejection of speaking in tongues came out of the being deceived by satan movement



if you would be right, then we would have today no different between pentecostals and non pentecostals because the Spirit would give this gift all
If you were right then all people would get born again because salvation has been purchased for all people... but, people have the ability to reject God's Word which is why some don't get saved and it's way some don't receive the personal prayer language that the Lord gave for all that get born again and received the infilling of the Holy Spirit which is an invitation for the Holy Spirit to move in and to actively lead and guide one's life... that's a step beyond the Holy Spirit being present to cause someone to be born again.
 

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Romans 8:26,27
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit Himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be understood (unknown toungue).
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.






And again, that's false... he is referring to speaking in tongues in public for interpretation which has nothing to do with private prayer in tongues.





And again your rejection of speaking in tongues came out of the being deceived by satan movement





If you were right then all people would get born again because salvation has been purchased for all people... but, people have the ability to reject God's Word which is why some don't get saved and it's way some don't receive the personal prayer language that the Lord gave for all that get born again and received the infilling of the Holy Spirit which is an invitation for the Holy Spirit to move in and to actively lead and guide one's life... that's a step beyond the Holy Spirit being present to cause someone to be born again.
Hi Rocky, in my bible stands in Romans 8, 26.27 nothing from "unkown tongue"! This is not from the text. That means also that the Holy Spirit prays only for those which have the gift of speaking in tongues. And this Paul wrote to the roman christians without mentioning in this letter anything from speaking in tongues. Strange!
The theme of speaking in tongues is not mention in romans, so this verses must meant something else but not speaking in tongues. And it must be soemthing what is possible for all christians. How the Holy Spirit is praying for us is for us not to see ore feel. the same as we know that theire is created a new creatur in us, which we can not see ore feel.
I can pray to the Lord without speak any word, it is only in my thoughts and nobody can hear.

There is only one gift of speaking in tongues given. Bible is not speaking from 2 different types of speaking in tongues. And Paul says clear that not all christians will receive this gift. Why you ignore this? It is man made wisedom which creates 2 different gifts of speaking in tongues.

Sorry, it is a fact that out of the pentecostal and charismatic movement only cults and pagans speaking in tongues. I now many christians from different denominations, so also the church I belong to, which teaches the speaking in tongues, but non of them have this gift! Why? they are open for it! I am convinced if this gift would be for all christians, we all would have it.

Whether the Holy Spirit leads someones Life is not depent from the having the gift of speakingin tongues, ii is depent we are trust the Lord and obey His word.
Did you make a look into the pentecostal and charismatic movements and see how many false teachings came out? And that although they claim to have a special relationship to the Holy Spirit and a special anointing with Him and special revealings!

Finaly would we have not more benefit if we would build up each other, then only ourselfes? Because the view what is given today from speaking in tongues is a very selfish view.