God the Son says he has a God... Why?
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I believe the same as you do about this Question Jesus the Son of God, was always submissive to Gods Will. He spoke what God tols Him to say, did what God told Him to do.
it has nothing to do with Jesus speaking as a man here and now Hes different. He was glorified By God because He Loved God as God Loved Him. and sits Now as the glorified Son of man right beside God on His throne gloirified as Christ and Lord forever.
Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. He is the same yesterday and forever
Yesterday
daniel 7:13-14 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."
John 5:26-27 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
today
acts 7:56 "And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
1 john 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
and forever
revelation 5:5-10 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
it has nothing to do with Jesus speaking as a man here and now Hes different. He was glorified By God because He Loved God as God Loved Him. and sits Now as the glorified Son of man right beside God on His throne gloirified as Christ and Lord forever.
Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. He is the same yesterday and forever
Yesterday
daniel 7:13-14 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."
John 5:26-27 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
today
acts 7:56 "And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
1 john 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
and forever
revelation 5:5-10 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
We must know that at that time the Messiah's primary task was to demonstrate the Grace of God for our sake, because the people of God / the chosen /us could not grasp that "salvation is the grace of God alone", so even though He is God Himself but He must play the role as sacrifice lamb and also should resurrect / defeated the death after the sacrifice so by this role then it made as if there is difference between Jesus and God Himself says like" He has a God", but if you understand the purpose of God created men, and that men must sojourn for a while in this perishable earth first before they reach the eternity surely you would not doubt about Him.
I will try to explain the deity of Jesus the messiah:
After A and E were kicked out from Eden and had their offspring in this perishable realm no one realized and admitted that they were spiritually dead in the eyes of God, as time went by God gave them hundreds of law the Torah laws, actually God wanted them to realize about their spiritually dead in the eyes of God but no one admitted it.
Lets us review what was the reason God drove them out from Eden?.
Wasn't it about their incapability to keep not eat the fruit of the tree of life intentionally or in other words they surely ate the fruits, they and all their offspring without exception or they surely failed to fulfill just only this simple ordinance.
How could they feel proud that they surely fulfill the Torah laws which were more more complicated than the previous one? Silly .
Then God felt that the time given to the men for verification about their dead was over and men not realized either , so He should come to open the men eyes by force ---> as the Messiah/ the Redeemer/ the Savoir , Actually God said in OT that men surely need a Savoir ,a Redeemer for their own salvation so this is a necessity and He is God Himself ( Isa43:3 ,43:11 ,47:4 ,63:16 ).
In OT have already said that man is sanctified by sprinkling the blood of the sacrifice lamb were done by the priest = being saved = resurrecting from dead , these were the tasks that the messiah should demonstrate in order men could understand that their salvation is only by Gods Grace .
We summary them as : Men ,You will never save your self or others what ever effort you may try, cause the salvation is only by God's grace (Eph2:8) , that is what I want to demonstrate to you, I will be killed and three days later I shall resurrect from dead that you may know : the sacrifice blood is my blood = God blood , the priest is me as manifestation of God, the man who is sanctified will be acted by Me that shows you if the salvation is only for the chosen ( not man who says want , but only he or she whom the heart is made to want /written in the book of life before the creation of the world /the spirits which were sent by God from eternal realm to this perishable realm) , then by this event comes to pass you will understand that the salvation is only by God's Grace, and you that believe (believe if this event is really manifestation of Gods grace ) is the winner you shall be resurrected too in the last day, and you that dont believe you are the loser cause you will surely say that I am not God Him self , and consider Me as a created being as you are , then if I am a created being surely I am spiritually dead too as you are then I shall reach My salvation too by this event( by this event I shall pay my own sins) means this event surely not a manifestation of God's Grace or there is no premise salvation is only by Gods Grace and every one shall pay their sins by their own effort , then why cant you fulfill the Torah laws? , why am I said savoir? (Luk2:11), why am I said Redeemer? (Eph1:7), you that dont believe you are really a loser certainly you are walking to the lof .
Isa43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee
Isa43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior
Isa47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel
Isa63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
Rev1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood
Rev5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: forthou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation
Luk2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord
Eph1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Hence by His demonstration from that day men began to know that the salvation is only by God Grace by this understanding means men can bring glory to God.
I will try to explain the deity of Jesus the messiah:
After A and E were kicked out from Eden and had their offspring in this perishable realm no one realized and admitted that they were spiritually dead in the eyes of God, as time went by God gave them hundreds of law the Torah laws, actually God wanted them to realize about their spiritually dead in the eyes of God but no one admitted it.
Lets us review what was the reason God drove them out from Eden?.
Wasn't it about their incapability to keep not eat the fruit of the tree of life intentionally or in other words they surely ate the fruits, they and all their offspring without exception or they surely failed to fulfill just only this simple ordinance.
How could they feel proud that they surely fulfill the Torah laws which were more more complicated than the previous one? Silly .
Then God felt that the time given to the men for verification about their dead was over and men not realized either , so He should come to open the men eyes by force ---> as the Messiah/ the Redeemer/ the Savoir , Actually God said in OT that men surely need a Savoir ,a Redeemer for their own salvation so this is a necessity and He is God Himself ( Isa43:3 ,43:11 ,47:4 ,63:16 ).
In OT have already said that man is sanctified by sprinkling the blood of the sacrifice lamb were done by the priest = being saved = resurrecting from dead , these were the tasks that the messiah should demonstrate in order men could understand that their salvation is only by Gods Grace .
We summary them as : Men ,You will never save your self or others what ever effort you may try, cause the salvation is only by God's grace (Eph2:8) , that is what I want to demonstrate to you, I will be killed and three days later I shall resurrect from dead that you may know : the sacrifice blood is my blood = God blood , the priest is me as manifestation of God, the man who is sanctified will be acted by Me that shows you if the salvation is only for the chosen ( not man who says want , but only he or she whom the heart is made to want /written in the book of life before the creation of the world /the spirits which were sent by God from eternal realm to this perishable realm) , then by this event comes to pass you will understand that the salvation is only by God's Grace, and you that believe (believe if this event is really manifestation of Gods grace ) is the winner you shall be resurrected too in the last day, and you that dont believe you are the loser cause you will surely say that I am not God Him self , and consider Me as a created being as you are , then if I am a created being surely I am spiritually dead too as you are then I shall reach My salvation too by this event( by this event I shall pay my own sins) means this event surely not a manifestation of God's Grace or there is no premise salvation is only by Gods Grace and every one shall pay their sins by their own effort , then why cant you fulfill the Torah laws? , why am I said savoir? (Luk2:11), why am I said Redeemer? (Eph1:7), you that dont believe you are really a loser certainly you are walking to the lof .
Isa43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee
Isa43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior
Isa47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel
Isa63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
Rev1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood
Rev5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: forthou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation
Luk2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord
Eph1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Hence by His demonstration from that day men began to know that the salvation is only by God Grace by this understanding means men can bring glory to God.
J
if the example of Jesus was just an act of Him playing a role, putting on a demonstration, it would go against the very things He taught.
Matthew 6 5
5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 6 5
5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
No it is a necessity, because hundred of years , no one admitted , if no one realize then His Goal in creation will never be able to be achieved -----> no one can bring glory to God.
Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him
Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him
do you imagine Christ was actually forsaken?
i don't, not at all.
the hollywood version of the cross, where He is weak and despairing and hopeless, a thing to be pitied and despised?
i don't believe it at all.
this is a much more complex statement that He makes.
He quotes ((possibly sings)) the opening line of a Psalm called "The Hind of the Morning"
to understand what He is saying, we need to understand what the Psalm means, in its entirety.
He says this "in a loud voice" -- why? so that people will hear it. people to whom it has a significance.
why?
to save people?
or to wallow in misery?
He's in the business of salvation. i believe what He said cut at least one person present to the heart and saved them, causing them to see, to understand, and believe.
Jesus did not die like an ordinary man - no one takes His life from Him, but He lay it down as He chose. The Romans guarding Him, who had probably seen hundreds of men die, were amazed when He gave up the ghost - and immediately believed He is the Son of God. because of what they saw. did they see just another hopeless, despairing, pitiable, forsaken, broken human?
i don't, not at all.
the hollywood version of the cross, where He is weak and despairing and hopeless, a thing to be pitied and despised?
i don't believe it at all.
this is a much more complex statement that He makes.
He quotes ((possibly sings)) the opening line of a Psalm called "The Hind of the Morning"
to understand what He is saying, we need to understand what the Psalm means, in its entirety.
He says this "in a loud voice" -- why? so that people will hear it. people to whom it has a significance.
why?
to save people?
or to wallow in misery?
He's in the business of salvation. i believe what He said cut at least one person present to the heart and saved them, causing them to see, to understand, and believe.
Jesus did not die like an ordinary man - no one takes His life from Him, but He lay it down as He chose. The Romans guarding Him, who had probably seen hundreds of men die, were amazed when He gave up the ghost - and immediately believed He is the Son of God. because of what they saw. did they see just another hopeless, despairing, pitiable, forsaken, broken human?
The Son isn't "created" so Isaiah 43:7 is not about Him.
He isn't being hypocritical and babbling vainly when He prays - Matthew 6 is not a warning against His prayer in Gethsemane.
in the garden that night, the disciples kept falling asleep, and He went a distance away from them to pray by Himself. did you ever wonder how it is that they, a distance away and asleep, knew what He said?
IMO, what was taking place was amazingly profound, beyond human understanding. the only way that the human mind could comprehend what was happening was the way in which it was recorded. we, as humans, understand the exact image of God communing in prayer with God as a man would pray to God, and this is how He intends us to see, in the same way that God dwelt among men as a human, as mercy. what if Christ had appeared not as a man, but as the dark clouds and fire and lightnings that covered Mt. Sinai when Moses went up to receive the commandments? or as a pillar of fire? could God in these forms have reconciled mankind to Himself?
what He did is perfect, in every way, as He is perfect. and it is beyond and above the ways of men in every way, as He is far above man. i think the right reaction is closer to "wow!!" than "hang on, he's nothing more than an enlightened human"
He isn't being hypocritical and babbling vainly when He prays - Matthew 6 is not a warning against His prayer in Gethsemane.
in the garden that night, the disciples kept falling asleep, and He went a distance away from them to pray by Himself. did you ever wonder how it is that they, a distance away and asleep, knew what He said?
IMO, what was taking place was amazingly profound, beyond human understanding. the only way that the human mind could comprehend what was happening was the way in which it was recorded. we, as humans, understand the exact image of God communing in prayer with God as a man would pray to God, and this is how He intends us to see, in the same way that God dwelt among men as a human, as mercy. what if Christ had appeared not as a man, but as the dark clouds and fire and lightnings that covered Mt. Sinai when Moses went up to receive the commandments? or as a pillar of fire? could God in these forms have reconciled mankind to Himself?
what He did is perfect, in every way, as He is perfect. and it is beyond and above the ways of men in every way, as He is far above man. i think the right reaction is closer to "wow!!" than "hang on, he's nothing more than an enlightened human"
