How old is planet earth?

[trofimus]

Not saying my brother is wrong, but want to give a counter to this.

if God made the earth and heavens to support life on earth, which was created on day 6, Then God would have created the stars to appear on day 6 on earth no matter how many light years away they are

so the earth and solar system would have an appearance of age, it would have to to support life.

If God can create man and all life, plus the universe and set it so perfectly to support life, he can create it aged enough and ready to support that life at the time he created it.

God is in no haste.

He has no need of creating things fast and making them look old.

Billions of years are nothing to Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God is in no haste.

He has no need of creating things fast and making them look old.

Billions of years are nothing to Him.

true,

but that hat does not mean he did not.

 

[BeyondET]

God is in no haste.

He has no need of creating things fast and making them look old.

Billions of years are nothing to Him.

No doubt I agree, in the infinite, a million years to create one tree would be quite joyful IMO,

 

[Willie-T]

That is interesting here's a vid that kind of mentions that vortex, stars moving in and out of the galaxy arms.

[video=youtube;ab4W_1jwQHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab4W_1jwQHo[/video]

Interesting idea. But as is usually the case, just a bit too many "assumed" facts thrown in to create a foundation to build upon. I can much easier go with, "This is what we see happening today."...... rather than, "And these guesses about billions of years past, are the reason/reasons it is happening."

 

[BeyondET]

true,

but that hat does not mean he did not.

True but that's doesn't mean He did not either.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No doubt I agree, in the infinite, a million years to create one tree would be quite joyful IMO,

If he created the the same tree in a few seconds, it would be quite powerful. And amazing

No matter how he did it, or how long, it was an amazing feat only he could do.

 

[CaptainGoat]

To say "a day is just a day and it means 24hours" is a huge misunderstanding of the Hebrew word, putting your English use of the word to the thousands years old book and also ignoring the text of the Genesis.

The phrase 1000 years as a day and a day as 1000 years was mentioned in the New Testament. It was a common saying in its day which I dont believe applies to Genesis.
We have lots of sayings in the English language that are used in ways to describe things. For example. Someone going "Round the bend" I recently found out on another forum came from the Victorian mental houses that housed mentally I'll patients. It was common to have a tree lined drive to approach a mansion house. As mental houses were made to look like a mansion house but where they didn't want the public to see the goings on that mental patients may be doing, the tree lined driveway was made in a curve instead. The term "Going round the bend" was a kind way to say the person is going to a mental institution.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True but that's doesn't mean He did not either.

Never said it did, was just making a point.

It all goes back to scripture, I can not prove my view any more that tofimus can prove his, it is all speculation based on how we interpret.

 

[BeyondET]

Interesting idea. But as is usually the case, just a bit too many "assumed" facts thrown in to create a foundation to build upon. I can much easier go with, "This is what we see happening today."...... rather than, "And these guesses about billions of years past, are the reason/reasons it is happening."

Indeed 4.5 billion years old earth from a science view is a view that is base on being on earth and how people determine time.
The same 4.5 billion years would only be concidered 1.1 billion on Mercury. A Mercury year is 88 days

 

[BeyondET]

Never said it did, was just making a point.

It all goes back to scripture, I can not prove my view any more that tofimus can prove his, it is all speculation based on how we interpret.

O I see sorry, yea I agree it's all up to interpretion, some words were not even used way back in the day, like million, billion, trillion these math number words weren't around in BC times.

 

[BeyondET]

If he created the the same tree in a few seconds, it would be quite powerful. And amazing

No matter how he did it, or how long, it was an amazing feat only he could do.

This is true, though amazing and powerful to who when God made trees is the question? indeed a feat only of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is true, though amazing and powerful to who when God made trees is the question? indeed a feat only of God.

Amen, a question we will have to ask when we all see him face to face, if we even care then..lol

 

[trofimus]

true,

but that hat does not mean he did not.

Nor the opposite. We should not be afraid to accept billions of years. It is nothing against God.

Actually, it makes Him elevated. Such long periods are problem only for us, because we are like grass that is there today and tomorrow is burnt.

 

[trofimus]

The phrase 1000 years as a day and a day as 1000 years was mentioned in the New Testament. It was a common saying in its day which I dont believe applies to Genesis.
We have lots of sayings in the English language that are used in ways to describe things. For example. Someone going "Round the bend" I recently found out on another forum came from the Victorian mental houses that housed mentally I'll patients. It was common to have a tree lined drive to approach a mansion house. As mental houses were made to look like a mansion house but where they didn't want the public to see the goings on that mental patients may be doing, the tree lined driveway was made in a curve instead. The term "Going round the bend" was a kind way to say the person is going to a mental institution.

I did not say anything about 1000 years.

I just said that the word used in Genesis does not have to mean 24 hour days and that you can actually see it in the Genesis context itself.

 

[BeyondET]

Amen, a question we will have to ask when we all see him face to face, if we even care then..lol

Right, frozen in steps, speechless, surely these questions of how old the earth is will probably be replace with how old is ? beyond the universe... lol

 

[Meggido]

The phrase 1000 years as a day and a day as 1000 years was mentioned in the New Testament. It was a common saying in its day which I dont believe applies to Genesis.
We have lots of sayings in the English language that are used in ways to describe things. For example. Someone going "Round the bend" I recently found out on another forum came from the Victorian mental houses that housed mentally I'll patients. It was common to have a tree lined drive to approach a mansion house. As mental houses were made to look like a mansion house but where they didn't want the public to see the goings on that mental patients may be doing, the tree lined driveway was made in a curve instead. The term "Going round the bend" was a kind way to say the person is going to a mental institution.

The 1,000 year term is about as misunderstood as the phrase God said in Genesis when he gave man 120 years. This does not mean a man will live 120 years, it means man had 120 years before the deluge comes.

 

[Reborn]

What makes you think you can trust anything the so called book of Enoch has to say about anything?

Hey, OH.
Been awhile. Hope all is well, Sir.

Overall, I agree with you. Can anything in the book of Enoch be trusted?
I guess l'm confused as to why Enoch (or even mentioning it) gets people heated?

So..using that same reasoning...how can any book penned by any author outside of the Bible be trusted then?
What if one reads and treats the contents of the book of Enoch like any other book you can get in a Christian bookstore?


Get what you can from it ( knowing its not part of canon) and toss out the junk?
Why is it that people suggest books about God all of the time okay, but mention Enoch and people treat that suggestion like it came from the pits of hell?

I mean, lets admit it...at least Enoch is mentioned in Jude (it may not be the book they discovered, but its there)

Yet its okay to suggest books like...


"Salvation is a Free Gift, and for $19.95 I'll show you how to obtain it" by John Christian?



I dont remember seeing any of those types of books mentioned in the Bible?

 

[BeyondET]

I did not say anything about 1000 years.

I just said that the word used in Genesis does not have to mean 24 hour days and that you can actually see it in the Genesis context itself.

Correct and I agree, anybody can read Genesis 2:4 it clearly says in the DAY the Lord, not in the DAYS the Lord. So this isn't saying it was done in days but in a day, surely there is more to it than just 24 hour period.


Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

 

[trofimus]

If he created the the same tree in a few seconds, it would be quite powerful. And amazing

No matter how he did it, or how long, it was an amazing feat only he could do.

Do you know what is more powerful and more amazing?

That He did it by the explosion of indefinitely small and dense dot in such a way that it leaded to the tree.

Its like a genial billiard strike with all the amazing outcomes.

Much more amazing than just pop things out from nothing instantly.

 

[trofimus]

Correct and I agree, anybody can read Genesis 2:4 it clearly says in the DAY the Lord, not in the DAYS the Lord. So this isn't saying it was done in days but in a day, surely there is more to it than just 24 hour period.


Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

This is one example.

Others are like the sixth day never ended or that Satan had to fall in few hours, Adam had to get familiar with and name all animals in few hours and still got so lonely that God had to perform and operation and give him Eve. On the same day.

It actually does not make much sense when taken as literal days.

There are many more problems. Like the Gen 1:1 saying that Universe and planet were already there before the first day. Etc.

People who read it quickly and just repeat what some pastor told them do not notice such details.

They then feel they must fight against the contemporary science, but they do not have to. Bible actually agrees with the contemporary science.

And I am not even touching young earth problems like there is too much of oil and gas under the surface of the Earth and too many dinosaur and other creatures buried down there, impossible to get in thousands of years.