How old is planet earth?

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eternally-gratefull

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Nor the opposite. We should not be afraid to accept billions of years. It is nothing against God.

Actually, it makes Him elevated. Such long periods are problem only for us, because we are like grass that is there today and tomorrow is burnt.
I never said otherwise.

I have never condemned anyone for believing in OEC,

And again, What you say is true, It is no problem for us, But that does not mean it happened that way
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I did not say anything about 1000 years.

I just said that the word used in Genesis does not have to mean 24 hour days and that you can actually see it in the Genesis context itself.

yes you can, So how many hours did it take for one revolution, to make an evening and a morning. since that is context.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Right, frozen in steps, speechless, surely these questions of how old the earth is will probably be replace with how old is ? beyond the universe... lol

will we worry about how old anything is, or will we be so in aw of what God created for us, it slips our mind
 
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This is one example.

Others are like the sixth day never ended or that Satan had to fall in few hours, Adam had to get familiar with and name all animals in few hours and still got so lonely that God had to perform and operation and give him Eve. On the same day.

It actually does not make much sense when taken as literal days.

There are many more problems. Like the Gen 1:1 saying that Universe and planet were already there before the first day. Etc.

People who read it quickly and just repeat what some pastor told them do not notice such details.

They then feel they must fight against the contemporary science, but they do not have to. Bible actually agrees with the contemporary science.

And I am not even touching young earth problems like there is too much of oil and gas under the surface of the Earth and too many dinosaur and other creatures buried down there, impossible to get in thousands of years.
This is interesting and I've often wonder why on the seventh day God doesn't mention a morning and evening yet many people and Christians adhere to the 6 days as being 24 hour period, then proceed to say the seventh day is as well 24 hours long. I mean if people are going to go by exactly what scripture says then Christians shouldn't be using 7 day a week as so, that contradicts what Genesis says. if Genesis is to be used as a bases to determining the age of earth then a 6 day a week is needed because God didn't say the seventh day had a morning and evening to, that's adding words to the bible for sure.
 

Huckleberry

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There are many more problems. Like the Gen 1:1 saying that Universe and planet were already there before the first day. Etc.
You lack understanding of Genesis 1:1,
so naturally you're not going to get the rest of it.
Genesis 1:1, as correctly translated, states that
"In the beginning God created the heaven (singular) and the earth (lowercase e)."
Heaven is referring to all space, and earth is referring to
all matter, and the point is that they had a beginning.
The word "earth" in that verse is not speaking of planet Earth, but matter itself.
Verses 8 and 10 specify the atmosphere and planet, respectively.
The corrupted translations are a major source of confusion,
and no doubt part of your "many more problems".
 
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BeyondET

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I'd surely like to see someone get a 24 hour day out of the seventh day without adding to scripture or thinking outside the box. Can't just add it into the mix like it belongs along side of the other 6 days, this isn't what scripture says at all, if one is going by facts of what scripture verses say.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Correct and I agree, anybody can read Genesis 2:4 it clearly says in the DAY the Lord, not in the DAYS the Lord. So this isn't saying it was done in days but in a day, surely there is more to it than just 24 hour period.


Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
True,

but we still have the evening and the morning were the first day etc etc.

The day of creation could be 7 days, could be thousands, fro this, I would look to context of chapter one.. The evening and the morning being literal days, where as in Gen 2, it speaks of the whole time period.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Do you know what is more powerful and more amazing?

That He did it by the explosion of indefinitely small and dense dot in such a way that it leaded to the tree.

Its like a genial billiard strike with all the amazing outcomes.

Much more amazing than just pop things out from nothing instantly.

if it happened that way, That would be amazing,

Again, God said, and it was so.. Man by itself as a created being coming into being is quite an amazing feat, You had the dust of the earth (elements) being put together to form man. including all the DNA RNA and everything we have not even found yet..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is one example.

Others are like the sixth day never ended or that Satan had to fall in few hours, Adam had to get familiar with and name all animals in few hours and still got so lonely that God had to perform and operation and give him Eve. On the same day.

It actually does not make much sense when taken as literal days.

There are many more problems. Like the Gen 1:1 saying that Universe and planet were already there before the first day. Etc.

People who read it quickly and just repeat what some pastor told them do not notice such details.

They then feel they must fight against the contemporary science, but they do not have to. Bible actually agrees with the contemporary science.

And I am not even touching young earth problems like there is too much of oil and gas under the surface of the Earth and too many dinosaur and other creatures buried down there, impossible to get in thousands of years.
Alot of conjecture, Still not proof..

Again, the flood actually answers all those questions, it even answers how we have radioactive isotopes in the earth. and the mountain formation, and all the oil and everything else.

which is why we should not condemn others who do not see it this way.. As sadly happens in here way to often.

I am thankful, and actually amazed this thread has not turned into one of those.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is interesting and I've often wonder why on the seventh day God doesn't mention a morning and evening yet many people and Christians adhere to the 6 days as being 24 hour period, then proceed to say the seventh day is as well 24 hours long. I mean if people are going to go by exactly what scripture says then Christians shouldn't be using 7 day a week as so, that contradicts what Genesis says. if Genesis is to be used as a bases to determining the age of earth then a 6 day a week is needed because God didn't say the seventh day had a morning and evening to, that's adding words to the bible for sure.
the first 5 days are the example.

was the first 5 days literal, then the 6th day the same word meant something else.

It is not that hard to see it.

The 6th day was over and God rested, We do not know how many days after this Adam actually fell.. But we do know before adam fell, there was no death on earth. Death was a result of the fall. the first animal to die was the one sacrificed to cover the nakedness of the two sinners. What an amazing picture of grace and the lamb of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'd surely like to see someone get a 24 hour day out of the seventh day without adding to scripture or thinking outside the box. Can't just add it into the mix like it belongs along side of the other 6 days, this isn't what scripture says at all, if one is going by facts of what scripture verses say.

In the same token, I would like to see someone say day 7 was not 24 hours using the same criteria.

it is easy to see the first 5 days were 24 hour, so we can reasonably conclude (yet not prove) that the next two days were 24 hour also.

to me, it takes a much further reach to say the that day and six were not 24 hours by what standard?
 

Billyd

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The absolute best guess according to scripture is that there has been around 6K years since God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden. Until the ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they had eternal life, and never aged. How long that it took before they partook of the fruit is not addressed. If I used Mama as an example, it would take the serpent a long time and a lot of work to convince her to do something that God told her not do. Using her as an example, I'd say that Adam and Eve spent a very long time in the garden. JMHO
 
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BeyondET

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True,

but we still have the evening and the morning were the first day etc etc.

The day of creation could be 7 days, could be thousands, fro this, I would look to context of chapter one.. The evening and the morning being literal days, where as in Gen 2, it speaks of the whole time period.
Well scripture doesn't say the seventh day was a creation day, scripture says it was a rest day with no morning or evening.

in my opinion if people are going to believe in a 24 hour day on each of the creation days that's fine but that same person cannot just assume the seventh is 24 hours long too that's not written at all like that and adding to its meaning as just another length of a day like the other 6 days is hog wash.

if a person is going to follow a literal 24 hour period of time for each day then there's a whole lot of people that need to recalculate how old the earth is, rather it's of science or biblical.
 

trofimus

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yes you can, So how many hours did it take for one revolution, to make an evening and a morning. since that is context.
Evening and morning can have several meanings.

1. It can be a dramatic expression while dividing main creation points.

2. It can mean that the prophet (Moses, probably) had the revelation divided into 6 days

Etc.
 

trofimus

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Alot of conjecture, Still not proof..

Again, the flood actually answers all those questions, it even answers how we have radioactive isotopes in the earth. and the mountain formation, and all the oil and everything else.

which is why we should not condemn others who do not see it this way.. As sadly happens in here way to often.

I am thankful, and actually amazed this thread has not turned into one of those.
Flood answers nothing. You cant even date the flood, because if you will go according to biblical genealogies in the MSS text, you will end up with flood in time when China or Egypt were already on the scene.
 

Grandpa

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I've been keeping track and its almost 47 yrs old.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Flood answers nothing. You cant even date the flood, because if you will go according to biblical genealogies in the MSS text, you will end up with flood in time when China or Egypt were already on the scene.
well thats your opinion.

I have studied, and see otherwise.


and the bible does not show china and egypt were already on the seen.
 
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Evening and morning can have several meanings.

1. It can be a dramatic expression while dividing main creation points.

2. It can mean that the prophet (Moses, probably) had the revelation divided into 6 days

Etc.
the first one is a stretch,

I will take the second, and not try to think Moses tried to confuse us by giving us terms outside of their normal meaning.

but again, Will not judge anyone for dong otherwise. Just taking your point, and discussing it with my view.