Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

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miknik5

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I have posted Chapter 14 completely and have highlighted those verses that clearly say if there is no one to interpret the unknown tongue, one shouldn't (within the BODY of THE CHURCH) speak...
That is disorder and confusion within the BODY since the one speaking, if he can't interpret is speaking things that do not edify the BODY.

And the whole purpose was that these diversified gifts were for the building up and edification of THE ONE BODY made of many parts.

Not all are prophets
Not all speak in tongues


But tongues is a different gift altogether
It is a sign amongst believers.

It is not a gift that is for the edification of THE BODY because if one can't interpret what is being said, how is anyone being edified?

In that case, Paul is very clear...the conversation is private and personal edification...it is between that person and GOD and he should not speak in tongues if there isn't another person who can interpret what is being said.

vs 28 clearly states that

But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
 

DJ2

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Why would a person who does not believe in anecdotal evidence ask this?
I am not asking for evidence just your answer. Does this happen, are people held accountable for false claims of supernatural abilities or is it ignored?
 
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I am not asking for evidence just your answer. Does this happen, are people held accountable for false claims of supernatural abilities or is it ignored?
I have been asked to judge a tongue and the following interpretation and when it is out of order, you call it as such, all done in love.
 

DJ2

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I have been asked to judge a tongue and the following interpretation and when it is out of order, you call it as such, all done in love.
Why were you asked to do this?
 
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Not where, why?
Sorry, did not mean to misunderstand you..I misread your question

The Pastor asked me and another elder to judge when this happened, because he did not think that the tongue and interpretation was coming from the Holy Spirit and it was coming from the flesh of the 2 that did it.

The pastor discerned correctly the tongue and ensuing interpretation was not of the Holy Spirit. The interpretation did not edify, exhort or comfort the congregation, nor testify of Jesus, which are clear violations of scripture.
 

gotime

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This thread is dedicated to lifting up the "least" of the gifts; but sometimes the least can be great***I will share the benefits of speaking in tongues from 40 years of experience***I have been involved in all faiths***my first Church was Billy Graham's church in Western Springs, Illinois***He was pastor of that Church in 1943, but I actually attended it in 1975 when I was first saved***PURPOSE----My purpose is not to engender strife and arguments about tongues, so if you don't like, believe, or practice tongues this is not for you; but if you are Spirit Filled and can speak in tongues I want to encourage you with what I have learned***My first benefit I would like to share is the healing that comes from speaking in tongues***as a new Christian I was messed up from drugs***I tried to be like George Harrison and take 800 acid trips; my girlfriend's sister took 400 acid trips***I only got to 200 but it did have a negative affect on my life and thinking***my pastor and I would pray in tongues for up to 5 hours a day***this sounds extreme but it brought healing along with God's Word and the love of the small congregation...
How do you know that this healing came from speaking in tongues? Just curious many have received this healing when coming to Christ without speaking in tongues. As I said just curious of your reasons for attaching the healing to the tongues.
 

RickyZ

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Sorry, did not mean to misunderstand you..I misread your question

The Pastor asked me and another elder to judge when this happened, because he did not think that the tongue and interpretation was coming from the Holy Spirit and it was coming from the flesh of the 2 that did it.

The pastor discerned correctly the tongue and ensuing interpretation was not of the Holy Spirit. The interpretation did not edify, exhort or comfort the congregation, nor testify of Jesus, which are clear violations of scripture.
Discerning spirits ... This is how you do it folks :)
 

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How do you know that this healing came from speaking in tongues? Just curious many have received this healing when coming to Christ without speaking in tongues. As I said just curious of your reasons for attaching the healing to the tongues.
***over a one year period while praying in tongues I began to receive clarity of thought and understanding in spiritual things resulting in a gradual healing process...
 

wolfwint

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that is a far question . again I cannot tell you why some in certain denominations say thing that are not scriptural.
what I can see in scripture is that those who are saved the Holy Spirit has distributed gifts for the Body of Christ for the betterment of all as 1 cor chapter 12 says. those who elites the gift have missed the reason for the gift . that is why Paul addressed the issue of immaturity and foolishness. NOW the ONESS doctrine is error period . and be it known in the Pentecostal theological doctrine which is in black and white NO where says that if you did not know. The teaching if very conservative which I was shocked to see :)
Thank you for reply! I would agree the matter with speaking in tongue for today according 1. Cor., if it would be taugth and received as the bible, so I understand, says. All the gifts are given as result of been born again in the same way. So also the gift of speaking in tongues. But this teaching I do not find among pentecostals and charismatics (even they are different)
According their doctrine the gift of speaking in tongues is combined with an extra expierience with the Holy Spirit, soem call it second baptism. And special this teaching I cant find in the bible! Also I would expect this in the churchhistorie and not single mentioned. If this gift is so important for every christian this would not be a question of denomination. Every believer would get it when he became born again. But this is not. I went to bible school. I met many believers, strong in faith. Non of them had the gift of speaking in tongues. They have a blessed ministry and people turn to christ, without having the second baptism. So I ask myself for what should this second baptism be? To enable christians for the ministrie? I found and expierienced that this he is doing without to have a second baptism. Why to receiving the gift of speaking in tongues is taught in such a extraordinary way? Where the first teachers Parham and Seymore wrong in their teaching about the second baptism and receiving the gift of speaking in tongues? Before 1907 this teaching was nowhere found in germany, where all german christians wrong till the pentecostal teaching came? This questions doubt me finaly to belive that this teachings are from the Holy Spirit. How can people which claim to have a special anointing with the Holy Spirit can spread false teachings, like the Oneness ore the many charismatics teachings about wealth and health and so one. I cant beleive that they are led from the Holy Spirit. And again why is the teaching from the second baptism not found in the bible?
 

DJ2

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***over a one year period while praying in tongues I began to receive clarity of thought and understanding in spiritual things resulting in a gradual healing process...
That does not answer the question. The question was "how" do you know?
 
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Discerning spirits ... This is how you do it folks :)
How come those during the apostolic era never had to concern themselves with discerning the spirits when it came to the gift of tongues ?
 
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I have posted Chapter 14 completely and have highlighted those verses that clearly say if there is no one to interpret the unknown tongue, one shouldn't (within the BODY of THE CHURCH) speak...
That is disorder and confusion within the BODY since the one speaking, if he can't interpret is speaking things that do not edify the BODY.

And the whole purpose was that these diversified gifts were for the building up and edification of THE ONE BODY made of many parts.

Not all are prophets
Not all speak in tongues


But tongues is a different gift altogether
It is a sign amongst believers.

It is not a gift that is for the edification of THE BODY because if one can't interpret what is being said, how is anyone being edified?

In that case, Paul is very clear...the conversation is private and personal edification...it is between that person and GOD and he should not speak in tongues if there isn't another person who can interpret what is being said.

vs 28 clearly states that

But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Actually, verse 28 has Paul saying it differently; but one needs to look at verse 2 to see what he meant in verse 28.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

Paul was explaining why believers zealous for spiritual gift, should seek the gift of prophesy and began comparing the gift of tongue by itself against the gift of prophesy to show that tongues is not a stand alone gift, because by itself, no one else understands him, not even the tongue speaker, but God understand what is being said, not that the tongue speaker is speaking to God.

John 16:13 testifies that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself and so He cannot use God's gift of tongues which is for speaking unto the people, to turn it around and speak back to God. You can use any Bible version as that truth is maintained in all Bibles. You can see five versions of it, starting with the KJV at this link below.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 16:13&version=KJV;NIV;NASB;ESV;TLB

Anyway, knowing that truth is how believers can spot the errant version of Romans 8:26-27 in all modern Bibles except the KJV in keeping scripture lined up with that truth in John 16:13 because even though the Holy Spirit has intercessions for us, He cannot utter them for His intercessions are unspeakable, thus He cannot use God's gift of tongues and turn it around to be used as His personal means to pray to God by. It is the Son, that knows the mind of the Spirit that also searches our hearts ( Hebrews 4:12-16 ) is how the unspeakable intercessions of the Spirit's are made known to God the Father.

So once He helps us to see this truth in Romans 8:26-27 as obscured by modern Bibles, we can see that 1 Corinthians 14:2 is not tongues being used to speak to God, but to point out that man does not understand this tongue, but God does.

So we go to verse 28;

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]27 [/SUP]If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.[SUP]28 [/SUP]But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Now if you can imagine the process of verse 27 in being done, a foreigner could stand up and begin speaking in his own native tongue out of turn thus not manifested by the Holy Spirit. This was to mean that if no interpretation comes, this man is speaking out of turn and why he is told to be silent as Paul explained he speaks unto himself and to God, meaning that person is a foreigner speaking out of turn, as he understands what he is saying as God does too, not that the man was talking to himself and to God; nor the Holy Spirit talking to him and to God. See?

Otherwise, the service would not be done in decency and order for who could hear what was going on if a man sitting next to them continues to speak to himself and to God? So Paul was not saying that if there was no interpretation, he is made to be silent and yet "still" be allowed to speak to himself & to God but quietly, he was pointing out that once again, God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people as it must comes with interpretation or it is not being manifested by the Holy Spirit in the assembly, as you & I both know, the Holy Spirit does not do these gifts in half measure.

The other thing to note is that women are not allowed to speak in the assembly as this is a commandment from the Lord. They are allowed to minister in outreach. but not in church.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP] 37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Why is this commandment necessary?

1 Corinthians 11:1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

So the word of God would come to the men directly in the assembly; and not to the women directly.

As a commandment from the Lord, the Holy Spirit Whom is God, would not manifest tongues in women to lead them to speak. That is also another line of discernment to know that tongue is not of Him at all as well as to know how women get that tongue by what they believe was the Holy Spirit coming over them later in life apart from salvation was not the Holy Spirit at all, making them speak in the assembly like that.

Outside the assembly, God has used women as missionaries socially and abroad. The Book of Acts confirms this.

Anyway, that was what verse 28 in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter was about in recognizing when someone stands up out of order and yet no interpretation came after he spoke, it was because it was not manifested by the Holy Spirit but a foreigner speaking out of turn when seeing three stand up to speak in tongues and another interpret.

Paul ended saying not to forbid speaking in tongues and so how can he say that in verse 28 if that was the Holy Spirit manifesting that tongue? Answer, because it did not come with interpretation, and thus not manifested by the Holy Spirit, and that was the decency and order he was trying to establish for all churches to follow in using the gift of tongue.
 

1ofthem

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This reminds me of a song: ITS REAL

It's real, it's real, I know, I know it's real...that Pentecostal blessing I know, I know it's real!


It's Biblical so that is really all I can say about it... it's real!:)
 

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Praying in Tongues/Intercession ****Romans 8:27 talks about the Spirit making intercession for us according to the Will of God***as we pray in English and pray in tongues we are seeking the Will of God***of course when we pray in English sometimes our prayers are clouded by our own prejudices and ideas; but not so with the Spirit***as we seek the Will of God we should use all the Gifts and Fruits to press forward...
 

wolfwint

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Praying in Tongues/Intercession ****Romans 8:27 talks about the Spirit making intercession for us according to the Will of God***as we pray in English and pray in tongues we are seeking the Will of God***of course when we pray in English sometimes our prayers are clouded by our own prejudices and ideas; but not so with the Spirit***as we seek the Will of God we should use all the Gifts and Fruits to press forward...
Romans 8,26+27 has nothing to do with speaking in tongues! so as in the whole letter to the romans speaking in tongues is not mentioned. The Holy Spirit prays for every believer, independ which gifts he has! Praise to the Lord!
God dont knows 1st and 2nd class christians!
 

DJ2

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Sorry, did not mean to misunderstand you..I misread your question

The Pastor asked me and another elder to judge when this happened, because he did not think that the tongue and interpretation was coming from the Holy Spirit and it was coming from the flesh of the 2 that did it.

The pastor discerned correctly the tongue and ensuing interpretation was not of the Holy Spirit. The interpretation did not edify, exhort or comfort the congregation, nor testify of Jesus, which are clear violations of scripture.
What was done, if anything to those who committed the violation?
 
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Neither is the false teaching of calling the KJV Bible the only Bible for the body. We call this making the Bible an Idol...mark my words sir, one day you will give an account and Jesus will say, I was the word, but you loved a sinful king's version more than me, you were not defending me, but a translation that was created to hide an earthly Kings own sins and justify his iniquity. His translation was not the first, it was the Geneva Bible in 1599.
The Lord Jesus Christ had asked you to prove everything by Him to confirm the word or be reproved by the word with His help.

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

That goes for the anti-KJV garbage that you had just spewed. Proof of that is at this link that readers can go to to see how you are wrong even if you do not care to go there yourself and see.

"Royalty, Rumors and Racists"

As it is, nobody has to go to this site to prove what you are saying is a lie when the KJV still rebukes homosexuality as an abomination and thus a sin.

Leviticus 18:22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:[SUP] 25 [/SUP]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:[SUP]27 [/SUP]And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

So you did not bother to prove that the KJV was changed by King James to hide the alleged sin of his homosexuality, and if anybody care to go to that link they will see how King James defended himself.

As His Majesty King James VI & I noted almost prophetically long ago:
"And principally exercise true wisdom in discerning wisely between true and false reports. First concerning the nature of the person reporter; next, what effect he can have in the well or evil of him whom of he maketh the report; thirdly, the likelihood of the purpose itself, and the last the nature and past life of the delated person ... "
And:
"They quarrel me (not for any evil or vice in me) but because I was a king, which they thought the highest evil, and because they were ashamed to profess this quarrel they were busy to look narrowly in all my actions, and I warrant you a moat in my eye, yes a false report was matter enough for them to work upon."

The only reason I rely on the KJV is because it is keeping the meat of His words to expose evil in these latter days where faith is hard to find as scripture cannot go against scripture to prove how poorly other modern Bibles have been done when John 16:13 in ALL Bibles says the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself, but speak what He hears and so only the KJV has Romans 8:26-27 right in keeping with that truth whereas many tongue speakers today are misled into ignoring John 16:13 altogether to defend tongues without interpretation that came by apostasy in seeking to receive the Spirit apart from salvation by that sign of tongues.

Now I ask you in the name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, to go before that throne of grace and ask Him for help to be His disciple to serve Him by testifying of Him in seeking His glory and nothing else in His name.
 

CS1

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Thank you for reply! I would agree the matter with speaking in tongue for today according 1. Cor., if it would be taugth and received as the bible, so I understand, says. All the gifts are given as result of been born again in the same way. So also the gift of speaking in tongues. But this teaching I do not find among pentecostals and charismatics (even they are different)
According their doctrine the gift of speaking in tongues is combined with an extra expierience with the Holy Spirit, soem call it second baptism. And special this teaching I cant find in the bible! Also I would expect this in the churchhistorie and not single mentioned. If this gift is so important for every christian this would not be a question of denomination. Every believer would get it when he became born again. But this is not. I went to bible school. I met many believers, strong in faith. Non of them had the gift of speaking in tongues. They have a blessed ministry and people turn to christ, without having the second baptism. So I ask myself for what should this second baptism be? To enable christians for the ministrie? I found and expierienced that this he is doing without to have a second baptism. Why to receiving the gift of speaking in tongues is taught in such a extraordinary way? Where the first teachers Parham and Seymore wrong in their teaching about the second baptism and receiving the gift of speaking in tongues? Before 1907 this teaching was nowhere found in germany, where all german christians wrong till the pentecostal teaching came? This questions doubt me finaly to belive that this teachings are from the Holy Spirit. How can people which claim to have a special anointing with the Holy Spirit can spread false teachings, like the Oneness ore the many charismatics teachings about wealth and health and so one. I cant beleive that they are led from the Holy Spirit. And again why is the teaching from the second baptism not found in the bible?
I have to disagree with some of your points because surely you do not speak for aLL PENTECOSTALS. 2. I think it is best to stay with the topic and not talk about denominations one agree with or not. I can tell you that there are differences from southern baptist and First baptist . that is not the point . IN the theological doctrine of Pentecostals aka four sq, aog , cogic, all but oness upc and apostolic. hold to the doctrine of the Southern baptist. it is in the gift of the Holy Spirit were they differ.
The extra experience I do not know if that would be correct but there is the Empowering of the Holy Spirit which happen to those who were saved already those in Acts 2 were saved already which happen in the Gospel of John when the Risen Lord Breathed on them. " receive the Holy Spirit " JOhn 20:22 .

in context to baptism we do see two one of the Spirit and one in water that is what scripture tells us.

Now you ask a very good question in ref to 1907 but I can tell you in my studies I can show you in church history centuries where the gifts of the Holy Spirit were very well documented . And down through the ages the empowering of the Holy Spirit is seen .

again you ask ?" How can people which claim to have a special anointing with the Holy Spirit can spread false teachings, like the Oneness ore the many charismatics teachings about wealth and health and so one."

Money, power, and FYI the devil is in the pulpit some places you know that right?
Just because there are those who abuse the gifts and are teaching false doctrine or fleecing the church STILL doesn't change the context of God word or what the Holy Spirit will do for each saved believer and does do today.