Interdimensional Portals

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With the greatest respect if what you are sharing on this forum is the product of your extensive research then I do not think much of it.
At best you are indulging in amateurish speculation.
As compared to your professional ignorance? I write the truth. No writer worth his salt would do otherwise....So Yes I do a lot of research.
 

ForthAngel

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You can start with this book. It's a short one. Only four hundred pages. Shinar directive I believe its by Dr Michael Lake
From the description, it seems like a rehash of any other Illuminati/Freemason/Luciferian conspiracy. I don't think I wanna pay the money for it. Does it go over opening portals? Does it appeal to any older texts? If you have a link to a digital copy, I may pay for it.

I'm doing my own research right now on several different subjects appealing to older source texts and books written by people with plenty of accolades. I'd rather see sources, not interpretations of sources or some guy's expression of his own imagination...

Could you give me an overview of the book and what I can expect or give me a link to a digital copy?

I'm not trying to discount the legitimacy of the book, don't get me wrong, but I want sources from acclaimed authors or older source texts that talk about portals.

This is my current reading list:

John Heilbron - HSS Lecture: Applied History of Science, Isis, vol. 78
Externaland Internal Factors in the Development of Science, Science &Technology Studies
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean (Alchemical text translated by Isaac Newton)
On the Origin of Species (Darwin)
GOETIA - Lesser Key of Solomon (I may skip this one TBH)
Born in Blood - The Lost Secrets of Freemasony (Masonic Literature)
Luzac's Semitic Text and Translation Series Vol. 12 (Chaldean Tablets of Creation, late translation)
The Chaldean Account of Genesis (George Smith Translation)

And more. This just scratches the surface of my current study.

I also have various lectures I'm taking notes on from professors at Cambridge (History of Science and Philosophy of Science), and Stanford (Quantum Physics, Consciousness)

These are the kind of sources I'm asking you to provide. Legit sources.

What kind of accolades does Dr. Michael K. Lake have? What makes him an authority on the information he provides in his book? What theology and doctrines does he adhere to? Can you explain Kingdom Intelligence to me? Where did this guy get his information? Was it divine revelation?​
 
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You can start with this book. It's a short one. Only four hundred pages. Shinar directive I believe its by Dr Michael Lake
Have you read the book yourself, or do you just have a quote from it and are trying to appear to have read the entire work? That you say it is short, only four hundred pages is interesting. Name some books you've read that were "long" and the page count if 400 pages is short. Seems you're attempting to paint a picture of yourself here as someone well studied.
 
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From the description, it seems like a rehash of any other Illuminati/Freemason/Luciferian conspiracy. I don't think I wanna pay the money for it. Does it go over opening portals? Does it appeal to any older texts? If you have a link to a digital copy, I may pay for it.

I'm doing my own research right now on several different subjects appealing to older source texts and books written by people with plenty of accolades. I'd rather see sources, not interpretations of sources or some guy's expression of his own imagination...

Could you give me an overview of the book and what I can expect or give me a link to a digital copy?

I'm not trying to discount the legitimacy of the book, don't get me wrong, but I want sources from acclaimed authors or older source texts that talk about portals.

This is my current reading list:

John Heilbron - HSS Lecture: Applied History of Science, Isis, vol. 78
Externaland Internal Factors in the Development of Science, Science &Technology Studies
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean (Alchemical text translated by Isaac Newton)
On the Origin of Species (Darwin)
GOETIA - Lesser Key of Solomon (I may skip this one TBH)
Born in Blood - The Lost Secrets of Freemasony (Masonic Literature)
Luzac's Semitic Text and Translation Series Vol. 12 (Chaldean Tablets of Creation, late translation)
The Chaldean Account of Genesis (George Smith Translation)

And more. This just scratches the surface of my current study.

I also have various lectures I'm taking notes on from professors at Cambridge (History of Science and Philosophy of Science), and Stanford (Quantum Physics, Consciousness)

These are the kind of sources I'm asking you to provide. Legit sources.

What kind of accolades does Dr. Michael K. Lake have? What makes him an authority on the information he provides in his book? What theology and doctrines does he adhere to? Can you explain Kingdom Intelligence to me? Where did this guy get his information? Was it divine revelation?​
From these studies you are doing I assume you have no goal at this time...Just learning to learn? Do I have that right? That's not a bad thing you understand..I myself usually have a goal to achieve in my studies. Two different points to research. and learning for the sake of learning is a fun thing too. I used to do it that way.

Ok Dr Michael Lake, Tom Horn, Steve Quayle and LA Marzulli are all top notch researchers, teachers, preachers, writers, and film makers.. All are born again, spirit filled Christians who put Jesus first in their lives. They were my sources at the start. Then I've branched out to other sources.
 

ForthAngel

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From these studies you are doing I assume you have no goal at this time...Just learning to learn? Do I have that right? That's not a bad thing you understand..I myself usually have a goal to achieve in my studies. Two different points to research. and learning for the sake of learning is a fun thing too. I used to do it that way.

Ok Dr Michael Lake, Tom Horn, Steve Quayle and LA Marzulli are all top notch researchers, teachers, preachers, writers, and film makers.. All are born again, spirit filled Christians who put Jesus first in their lives. They were my sources at the start. Then I've branched out to other sources.
Learning to learn yeah, but there is also a connection between the subjects I listed. For instance, science wasn't always what it is today. The scientific method and empiricism didn't come around until early modern history. Science was originally born of pagan philosophy and you can see the connections all the way into the modern era. One of the more clear closer to modern examples is Isaac Newton. Theoretical science is nothing more than a religion in many cases.

"They tend to appear as mere garnishes to presentations of serious scientific content; stories of heroic scientists who overcame adversity; tragic scientists hampered by human limitations and circumstances; fortunate ones who made great discoveries by exploiting chance happenings; strange ones who engaged in bizarre experiments or devised fantastical theories; etc. Many of these stories are myths...but in the rightful condemnation of such myths, there is something important that is often missed out, namely the question of purpose. What is it exactly that we should be trying to achieve by writing and teaching history? The heroic tales or the bizarre anecdotes found in popular historical accounts have positive functions in the right circumstances. They can give inspiration to students to aspire to enter Science or excite people's curiosity about the process of Science. So they may serve as a hook into more serious scientific endeavors." - Hasok Chang, Department of History and Philosophy of Science, University of Cambridge (on the common uses of history in science) [this is evangelism via mythology]

And about Isaac Newton:

"When we clear away the mythology, we need to ask what we're putting in place instead and to what purpose. We must ask ourselves not only what good history is, but what good history is. I'm not disputing that we historians of Science should take pains to show that stories like the apple falling on Newton's head have no firm historical evidence. We should, and we should remind people that the idea of gravitation had a long and complex gestation in the thinking of Newton himself and many of his predecessors and contemporaries; that Newton's true achievement was not thinking up the idea of gravity, but formulating it in precise mathematical form and applying it to important celestial and terrestial phenomena; that his thinking in physics was intimately linked with his alchemy and theology, etc., etc." - John Heilbron [HSS Lecture: Applied History of Science, Isis, vol. 78 (1987), 552-563]

So yeah... There is a purpose. But back to the subject at hand. Can you recommend something that is more readily available? You are fighting hard for this portal thing and haven't given any evidence whatsoever. You claim to have some kind of knowledge that no one else has, and I'd like to understand where you get that knowledge from. That guy's book isn't gonna mean much to me if I'm perfectly honest.
 
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While I know that portals are real, while I'm still learning about these doorways into other dimensions, my reason for opening this thread was not to scare anyone, or confuse anyone or any other nefarious motive. I wanted to know what the average Christian thinks along this line. Reality is a most interesting thing. There is more, far more to this world than meets the eye.. Thank you for your input, whether you believe they exist or not. I do appreciate it.
 
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sevenseas

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You demand scripture to back up what I say?! Yet you have not given a single scripture? All of your arguments are nothing but emotional tripe! Read back…There is NOTHING of substance in any of your arguments In fact your arguments are like the democratic style of discussion. All accusation, illusion, deflection, and outright putting of words into other people mouths.


John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Genesis 28:17
And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

2 Kings 2:1
And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

Open portals often look like whirlwinds

Job 38:1
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind (portal,) and said,

Ezekiel 1:4
And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

And on and on and on

God has taken people through portals before and He will do it again. Ezekiel, Elisha and others Jacobs ladder, a description of what Jacob saw of a portal.

Now you give me a sensible answer. Not an accusation, an argument for your point. Not nonsense, but backed up with scripture.

no. I don't demand anything. quite an attitude you have and it speaks volumes

God Himself demands we are good stewards and that we study His word so we do not have to be ashamed

now let's deal with your supposed 'proof'

John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
so the Son of God is a portal to you? you understand the gift of God as a portal?

next

Genesis 28:17
And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.
that is not a literal gate anymore than as if I would say "I could eat a horse" I would not eat a horse. that was not the literal gate to heaven. I know some of you interpret things like that, but it is incorrect. you are really grasping at the air here

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

what is the matter with you? even if Jesus was speaking of literal gates (which He is not, how would that be a spiritual portal?

anywhere you see the word gate, entrance or similar you interpret portal? spiritual portal? wrong wrong wrong

2 Kings 2:1
And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

Open portals often look like whirlwinds
hey you now, some people think Elijah went to heaven in a UFO what can I say? wrong again

portals often look like whirlwinds.

listen, even IF these are portals, which they are not, you have NOT fulfilled your number one obligation of showing us where God tells how to use them or create them. you simply wish to have a strange experience. relax. if you have not had one yet, its on the way

Job 38:1
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind (portal,) and said,
uh. no, not at all. YOU speculate a whirlwind is a portal, THEREFORE. all whirlwinds can be portals or are portals and so here is your proof. no...that is just YOU talking to yourself again. no portals at all and certainly no instructions from Jesus as to how we should use them or if we should. THAT would be significant. but you are not going to provide that because it does not exist except in your own mind and the minds of those who follow this occult belief

Ezekiel 1:4
And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

And on and on and on
well you got the on and on part right. I would call it sci-fi, but it's not even good sci-fi. more like fantasy, occult, Lord of the Rings which, hopefully, we know is not real?

God has taken people through portals before and He will do it again. Ezekiel, Elisha and others Jacobs ladder, a description of what Jacob saw of a portal.

Now you give me a sensible answer. Not an accusation, an argument for your point. Not nonsense, but backed up with scripture.
Have missed where you actually provided what would be 'proof' of what you say regarding portals, ie Jesus telling us to drum them up or use them? or God instructing us through Paul?

Did I miss that? you know, I did not. you just did not provide that because it does not exist.

all you are saying is that you think a whirlwind could be a portal and blah blah blah

I don't hold out hope for you to see that though
 

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While I know that portals are real, while I'm still learning about these doorways into other dimensions, my reason for opening this thread was not to scare anyone, or confuse anyone or any other nefarious motive. I wanted to know what the average Christian thinks along this line. Reality is a most interesting thing. There is more, far more to this world than meets the eye.. Thank you for your input, whether you believe they exist or not. I do appreciate it.
You know...
You have made that assumption maybe, nothing else.
 
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so again, let's have that scripture wherein we are told to use portals and how to open them
 
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So...What sources do you use for...learning?
Once again:

Have you read the book yourself, or do you just have a quote from it and are trying to appear to have read the entire work? That you say it is short, only four hundred pages is interesting. Name some books you've read that were "long" and the page count if 400 pages is short. Seems you're attempting to paint a picture of yourself here as someone well studied.
 
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((from the Temple Institute, a portion quoted in the article in previous post))

The Temple Mount, where God chose to place His Name, is literally the point of creation; the place where the physical realm came into existence. And it is the place where everything we can’t see, i.e. the spiritual world, attaches itself to the physical. It is literally the portal between heaven and the earth. This precise point of creation on the Temple Mount is called the Even Shetiyah, the Foundation Stone.

this is blasphemy.
Jesus is The Door - not a piece of physical stone.
what this institute describes is talismanism, a pagan, occult belief that physical objects hold magical power. they are teaching sorcery & divination.

reading over their beliefs, stonesoffire must have misread. they do not think Bethel & Jersualem are the same place - that's too obviously false a claim to pass by anyone. they believe a magical stone from Bethel is buried in the temple mount; that that stone itself is "the gate" by which men can reach the Father. which is blasphemous, again: Jesus is the Door; Jesus Christ is The Gate. no one comes to the Father except through Him.

no one is '
routinely passing through interdimensional portals to heaven & hell' as is being claimed in this thread. practicing witchcraft is self-deception, and an open invitation to become controlled by demons & be given over to wickedness. all humans are already bipartite fleshly & spiritual beings, with eternal souls. you don't need a special crystal and a conjunction of planets and a place where faeries dwell to enter a spirit world. you're already in it, always, and always will be.

my view exactly and lines up with scripture

witchcraft, both the knowing and the ignorant practice thereof, has made great inroads into Christianity

but those who practice it, are not able to see it and are quick to accuse those who know what is going on and see the deception, that they are not spiritual enough, or possibly don't have enough faith, or don't believe the Bible

demons will fill you full of peace and happiness and false assurance. it is impossible to be set free unless a person admits to the deception and replaces it with the truth of the Word

they need prayer, deliverance from the bondage of willing deception, especially if they teach it, and acknowledgement of their deception

this is not a laughing matter or a light matter. this is as serious as it gets.
 
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sevenseas

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You have made this mistake several times already on this forum.
You claim something that is highly speculative as FACT.
The more you are pressed to give ACTUAL proof for your position the less able you are substantiate it!

Then you get snarky for being put on the spot.

None of the texts you quote are even evidence for "portals."
Nobody knows that these entities exists - the fact that you are convinced does not count as evidence!
I tend to think that demons can create what you want to see in your desire to 'see' or 'know' more than what God legitimately allows

I don't believe God would allow these so called 'portals' that occultists and devil worshipers think they conjure

what some seem to have a hard time grasping, is that Christian or not, God will allow you to fall into great deception if you do not heed the warnings in His word

and many fancy themselves ' special' and called of God to have these supernatural things happen. it' simply not God.

agreed for sure, that no evidence has been submitted for the biblical injunction to use or create portals. agree that no evidence has been submitted either for the use of portals by God.
 
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no. I don't demand anything. quite an attitude you have and it speaks volumes

God Himself demands we are good stewards and that we study His word so we do not have to be ashamed

now let's deal with your supposed 'proof'



so the Son of God is a portal to you? you understand the gift of God as a portal?

next



that is not a literal gate anymore than as if I would say "I could eat a horse" I would not eat a horse. that was not the literal gate to heaven. I know some of you interpret things like that, but it is incorrect. you are really grasping at the air here




what is the matter with you? even if Jesus was speaking of literal gates (which He is not, how would that be a spiritual portal?

anywhere you see the word gate, entrance or similar you interpret portal? spiritual portal? wrong wrong wrong



hey you now, some people think Elijah went to heaven in a UFO what can I say? wrong again

portals often look like whirlwinds.

listen, even IF these are portals, which they are not, you have NOT fulfilled your number one obligation of showing us where God tells how to use them or create them. you simply wish to have a strange experience. relax. if you have not had one yet, its on the way



uh. no, not at all. YOU speculate a whirlwind is a portal, THEREFORE. all whirlwinds can be portals or are portals and so here is your proof. no...that is just YOU talking to yourself again. no portals at all and certainly no instructions from Jesus as to how we should use them or if we should. THAT would be significant. but you are not going to provide that because it does not exist except in your own mind and the minds of those who follow this occult belief



well you got the on and on part right. I would call it sci-fi, but it's not even good sci-fi. more like fantasy, occult, Lord of the Rings which, hopefully, we know is not real?



Have missed where you actually provided what would be 'proof' of what you say regarding portals, ie Jesus telling us to drum them up or use them? or God instructing us through Paul?

Did I miss that? you know, I did not. you just did not provide that because it does not exist.

all you are saying is that you think a whirlwind could be a portal and blah blah blah

I don't hold out hope for you to see that though
no. I don't demand anything. quite an attitude you have and it speaks volumes

God Himself demands we are good stewards and that we study His word so we do not have to be ashamed

now let's deal with your supposed 'proof'



so the Son of God is a portal to you? you understand the gift of God as a portal?

When Jesus said "I am the Way...."What do you think He meant? I am the Way..Its through me that you reach the Father. What did Jesus say? John 10:9 (CJB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I am the gate; if someone enters through me, he will be safe and will go in and out and find pasture. He is the gate? The portal? Wake up!

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that is not a literal gate anymore than as if I would say "I could eat a horse" I would not eat a horse. that was not the literal gate to heaven. I know some of you interpret things like that, but it is incorrect. you are really grasping at the air here
Or you are denying the truth. The fact is you could eat a horse if you did it right.





what is the matter with you? even if Jesus was speaking of literal gates (which He is not, how would that be a spiritual portal?

Again! What did Jesus say? I am the gate; if someone enters through me, he will be safe and will go in and out and find pasture. He is the gate

anywhere you see the word gate, entrance or similar you interpret portal? spiritual portal? wrong wrong wrong

Of course not..Not all doors or gates are literal portals. I'm not a total idiot. Thank you for implying that I am.



hey you now, some people think Elijah went to heaven in a UFO what can I say? wrong again.
Of course you can prove this? Scripture?


portals often look like whirlwinds.

listen, even IF these are portals, which they are not, you have NOT fulfilled your number one obligation of showing us where God tells how to use them or create them. you simply wish to have a strange experience. relax. if you have not had one yet, its on the way

How is it you portray yourself as an expert? This is not this! This is not that! You are a false teacher! Yet you have never studied the subject.



uh. no, not at all. YOU speculate a whirlwind is a portal, THEREFORE. all whirlwinds can be portals or are portals and so here is your proof. no...that is just YOU talking to yourself again. no portals at all and certainly no instructions from Jesus as to how we should use them or if we should. THAT would be significant. but you are not going to provide that because it does not exist except in your own mind and the minds of those who follow this occult belief
I did not say all whirlwinds are portals. You did! I did not say we should use them. We should not! The thing is, my friend, the existence of portals or porcupines does not depend on your acceptance of them. So I'll tell you something in confidence here. I could not care less if you believe in their existence or not. I simply started this thread to get opinions. Yours does not count, because of your bigoted attitudes.
You have NO argument here. You know nothing on the subject yet you act as though you have all the answers! You're amazing.



well you got the on and on part right. I would call it sci-fi, but it's not even good sci-fi. more like fantasy, occult, Lord of the Rings which, hopefully, we know is not real?


Of course it’s not real. Mr Frodo was actually a giant. J



Have missed where you actually provided what would be 'proof' of what you say regarding portals, ie Jesus telling us to drum them up or use them? or God instructing us through Paul?

Did I miss that? you know, I did not. you just did not provide that because it does not exist.

all you are saying is that you think a whirlwind could be a portal and blah blah blah

I don't hold out hope for you to see that though
I find it amazing how a person can reject, out of hand, anything that he has never even looked at before. That’s called ignorance. It’s based in fear. You are afraid to dig into things that lie beyond your very nose.



 
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