What is the sign for salvation.?

[Skinski7]

You said salvation is from sin, is that mean after accepting the Lord, we never sin?

You don't "accept the Lord."

He accepts you if you truly repent.

Genuine salvation is wrought via a wholehearted yielding to the divine influence of God upon the heart.

Grace = Divine influence of God upon the heart.

Faith = Faithfulness and fidelity to God, ie. wholehearted yielding.

Saved by grace through faith (Eph 2:8) is the WORKING DYNAMIC by which we are QUICKENED (Eph 2:5) and thus made alive to God in the Spirit.

This is why James wrote...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

ALL filthiness and wickedness MUST be laid aside before one can receive the implanted word which saves the soul.

Serving sin is the OPPOSITE of receiving the implanted word which is why wr cannot do both. We cannot receive God in rebellion.

The church system preaches a false gospel premised upon substitution by which they view salvation as a POSITION as opposed to salvation being a MANIFEST REALITY of abiding in love.

Love does not produce sin. Anyone sinning is not saved because they do not love.


1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

As He is, so are we in this world.

Professing Christianity at large utterly denies that statement and instead defends ongoing sinning as part of the fake salvation they believe in.

They don't believe what the Bible plainly teaches, they just ignore it.

 

[Gabriel2020]

Oh yes you do have to accept him. He waits for you to will your soul to him, and then he will come in and sup with you. he will not come in uninvited, you have to invite him in. never by force. I believe that is what you mean.

 

[Rainrider]

Why does the Apostle Paul claim the opposite of what you claim?

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Why does Paul also say,
1Co 15:31 For I swear, dear brothers and sisters, that I face death daily. This is as certain as my pride in what Christ Jesus our Lord has done in you.

Keep in mind Sin is Death.

Rom 3:9 Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin.
1Co 8:12 And when you sin against other believers by encouraging them to do something they believe is wrong, you are sinning against Christ.
Gal 6:1 Dear brothers and sisters, if another believe is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.




Heb 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a huge crowd of witnesses to the life of faith, let us strip off every weight that slows us down, especially the sin that so easily trips us up. And let us run with endurance the race God has set before us.

Seem to me that sin is a fact of life. If not why do we ask forgiveness of sin in pray even after we gave our lives over to Yeshua?

 

[Rainrider]

That mean sin do not mean sign of not save, is that what you mean

Willful sin shows a person is not saved. Yet all people sin, though when one turns their life over to Yeshua, that don't do so willfully. In other words, A true follower may say something, then later find it was not true. Did they sin? Yes. Did they intend to? No, That is unwilling sin. Willful sin on the other hand, is a person setting out to do wrong, or telling you it is only 2:30 pm when they know that it is 3:00 pm, just to see what comes from it.

I once heard it said that even the most righteous sin 3 times a day. Most of that is with knowing they are doing so.
That is why we should be giving thanks daily, for Yeshua, and what he has done for us. We should repent when we find what we did wrong, and try harder to not sin.

 

[Gabriel2020]

Sin is the flesh. period. It was made to sin from the start,which means it chose it's own way instead of the way of The Lord. That is why God had them in the state of mind they were in from the beginning. Without any knowledge of him, or The Devil.Once they became aware of themselves, they began to sin, because their will was not God's will.

 

[graceNpeace]

Willful sin shows a person is not saved. Yet all people sin, though when one turns their life over to Yeshua, that don't do so willfully. In other words, A true follower may say something, then later find it was not true. Did they sin? Yes. Did they intend to? No, That is unwilling sin. Willful sin on the other hand, is a person setting out to do wrong, or telling you it is only 2:30 pm when they know that it is 3:00 pm, just to see what comes from it.

I once heard it said that even the most righteous sin 3 times a day. Most of that is with knowing they are doing so.
That is why we should be giving thanks daily, for Yeshua, and what he has done for us. We should repent when we find what we did wrong, and try harder to not sin.

This is a false dichotomy.

Sin is sin!
There is no reality of willing versus unwilling sin!

 

[Skinski7]

Why does Paul also say,
1Co 15:31 For I swear, dear brothers and sisters, that I face death daily. This is as certain as my pride in what Christ Jesus our Lord has done in you.

Keep in mind Sin is Death.

Rom 3:9 Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin.
1Co 8:12 And when you sin against other believers by encouraging them to do something they believe is wrong, you are sinning against Christ.
Gal 6:1 Dear brothers and sisters, if another believe is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.




Heb 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a huge crowd of witnesses to the life of faith, let us strip off every weight that slows us down, especially the sin that so easily trips us up. And let us run with endurance the race God has set before us.

Seem to me that sin is a fact of life. If not why do we ask forgiveness of sin in pray even after we gave our lives over to Yeshua?

Paul is simply warning people about sin and upholding what genuine Christianity is all about. He is not teaching that salvation is inclusive of sin. All you are doing is trying to present Paul's words as teaching the opposite of this...

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

It is much easier to twist Paul than it is to twist John which is why those defending sinning as normal simply ignore John, save the twisting of 1Joh 1:8-9.

Let no man deceive you, he who DOES what is right is righteous. If you are sinning then you are a child of the devil because you are a slave to whom you obey (Rom 6:16).

 

[seed_time_harvest]

so, after born again, our flesh may commit sin again and again

Yes,we haven't arrived yet In the flesh but at least we should be renewing our minds to the new creature we have become In our spirits.

 

[Skinski7]

Here is an example of what I am talking about...

1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

Go read the context of that verse. Paul is speaking of offending a brother as it pertains to an issue of conscience, very similar to Romans 14.

I might understand that meat is meat but a weaker brother may not and find offense in me eating what was sacrificed to an idol. Thus I ought bear in mind the weaker brother and not "sin" against him lest I influence him to violate his conscience.

Now why would you take 1Co 8:12 and rip it from its context to use it to advocate that ongoing sinning is normal in the life of a Christian?

Can you not see that that is an evil thing to do?

Read the words of Peter...

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they doalso the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The truth is more than obvious.

 

[Skinski7]

We are to be diligent that we be found in Jesus Christ without spot and blameless. Sinning every day is the very opposite of being without spot and blameless.

 

[preacher4truth]

We are to be diligent that we be found in Jesus Christ without spot and blameless. Sinning every day is the very opposite of being without spot and blameless.

Do you keep track of the number of days you haven't sinned? Kind of like the "days without an injury" at a workplace?

 

[Rainrider]

Here is an example of what I am talking about...

1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

Go read the context of that verse. Paul is speaking of offending a brother as it pertains to an issue of conscience, very similar to Romans 14.

I might understand that meat is meat but a weaker brother may not and find offense in me eating what was sacrificed to an idol. Thus I ought bear in mind the weaker brother and not "sin" against him lest I influence him to violate his conscience.

Now why would you take 1Co 8:12 and rip it from its context to use it to advocate that ongoing sinning is normal in the life of a Christian?

Can you not see that that is an evil thing to do?

Read the words of Peter...

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they doalso the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The truth is more than obvious.

If that works for you.

 

[graceNpeace]

Do you keep track of the number of days you haven't sinned? Kind of like the "days without an injury" at a workplace?

And do you keep count of the sins of omission as well as the sins of commission?
And what about apparently noble outward actions that are the fruit of sinful intent?
And what about the sins of the mind (go back to the Sermon on the Mount for a refresher if required)?

 

[Ugly]

thank for the response, I did tell them about if the branch abide to the tree, it will bear the good fruit, but they question me, is that mean you not make sin anymore?

kind of confusing isn't it?

It means we have a desire to change and turn from sin, rather than indulge in it.

 

[Skinski7]

Do you keep track of the number of days you haven't sinned? Kind of like the "days without an injury" at a workplace?

I simply abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ (Rom 8:2) therefore walking in a faith that works by love (Gal 5:6) through which the righteousness of God is fulfilled in me (Rom 3:31, Rom 8:4).

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Do you walk according to the Spirit by a faith that works by love?

 

[Grace777x70]

I simply abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ (Rom 8:2) therefore walking in a faith that works by love (Gal 5:6) through which the righteousness of God is fulfilled in me (Rom 3:31, Rom 8:4).

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Do you walk according to the Spirit by a faith that works by love?

Amen...great verses!

What happens when you do sin? ( And we know that you do from time to time) - do you become a child of the devil?

1 John 3:9 says that the one born of God cannot sin - not even one sin let alone a million of them. When you sin - does that mean you are not really a child of God after all?

 

[Skinski7]

And do you keep count of the sins of omission as well as the sins of commission?
And what about apparently noble outward actions that are the fruit of sinful intent?
And what about the sins of the mind (go back to the Sermon on the Mount for a refresher if required)?

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Why do you despise the possibity of truly being redeemed from ALL iniquity and made pure?

Why is sin so much more powerful than Jesus Christ in your mind?

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil in my life.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

He can do the same for you if you will simply believe. If you disbelieve that He can set you free indeed then you'll simply remain in bondage.


Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

[Skinski7]

Amen...great verses!

What happens when you do sin? ( And we know that you do from time to time) - do you become a child of the devil?

1 John 3:9 says that the one born of God cannot sin - not even one sin let alone a million of them. When you sin - does that mean you are not really a child of God after all?

Love does not work ill, thus those in Christ cannot sin because they abide in love.

If you are sinning then you are not loving. You don't understand salvation at all. To you it is just a position that cloaks the ongoing wickedness in your life. You want me to be sinning so as to validate your own ongoing sinning. Yet some of us genuinely walk with God having, been redeemed from every lawless deed and been purified, made truly zealous of righteousness.

I know that is hard to concieve when your mind is enslaved to "sin we will and sin we must" but the fact remains that the power of God is more powerful than sin. You are just an unbeliever with a "form of godliness" but you deny the power of God.

 

[Jackson123]

You don't "accept the Lord."

He accepts you if you truly repent.

Genuine salvation is wrought via a wholehearted yielding to the divine influence of God upon the heart.

Grace = Divine influence of God upon the heart.

Faith = Faithfulness and fidelity to God, ie. wholehearted yielding.

Saved by grace through faith (Eph 2:8) is the WORKING DYNAMIC by which we are QUICKENED (Eph 2:5) and thus made alive to God in the Spirit.

This is why James wrote...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

ALL filthiness and wickedness MUST be laid aside before one can receive the implanted word which saves the soul.

Serving sin is the OPPOSITE of receiving the implanted word which is why wr cannot do both. We cannot receive God in rebellion.

The church system preaches a false gospel premised upon substitution by which they view salvation as a POSITION as opposed to salvation being a MANIFEST REALITY of abiding in love.

Love does not produce sin. Anyone sinning is not saved because they do not love.


1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

As He is, so are we in this world.

Professing Christianity at large utterly denies that statement and instead defends ongoing sinning as part of the fake salvation they believe in.

They don't believe what the Bible plainly teaches, they just ignore it.

seem to me you believe after become Christian we become sinless, is that what you try to say.

what happen with David, when he kill bethzeba?

what happen when Paul rebuke Peter, what happen when Peter denied Jesus.

 

[preacher4truth]

I simply abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ (Rom 8:2) therefore walking in a faith that works by love (Gal 5:6)

That's great!

But then;

through which the righteousness of God is fulfilled in me (Rom 3:31, Rom 8:4).

...sorry, but Christ accomplished all that, not you. It isn't then what you do "through which the righteousness" comes or is fulfilled in you as you imply.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

That is a wonderful passage. Certainly you wanted to share this because you believe it glorifies you. You believe you've accomplished this.

Do you walk according to the Spirit by a faith that works by love?

All of his children who trust in His righteousness do this. But it appears you trust in yours and maybe His. (But probably not to be honest). There is the problem.

Pars Hominis Gloria for you it is!

It should be noted by all that nothing in what skinski said gave Christ even one iota of glory.

Nothing.

Not one thing.

It was all about him.

Anyone else catch this?