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It sure does.
The problem is that we can approach God with human reasoning.
We expect God to work in a certain way and let's be honest when we do that it tends to be selfish and we tend to make it conditional.
Things like, if I'm a good child can you do this?
If it doesn't happen then we get mad at God.
We are basically trying to earn Gods love, put him in a box, our own box.
I have learned that over the last years.
One day sat praying and I said to God please do this, he said no there are other things I want to deal with.
So I have come to the place where I just say to him, search me, my innermost being what do you want to do.
As I come to trust him more and more and know he truly loves me it's easier to say "ok what is it you want to do in me? Rather than what is it I can do to get you to love me more.
Believe it or not part of my ministry in Church is to come alongside new Christian's and people wanting to know more about our faith along with hurting people. I love it.
I encourage them not to put God in a box, not to come to him because you want something but because he loves you.
Then let him see fit in how he wants to work in you.
His love is perfect and that being the case he will work in you for what's best for you. Trust that and you will be very surprised.
Put everything aside, give it all up and allow him to work and trust his perfect love.
What I find sad and this is for believers is that a lot I have spent time with do not know this
John 17:23
I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
When I realised this it really started to help me.
God loves me, loves you, loves everyone as much as he loves Jesus.
That is beyond human reasoning but if we start to trust it, and claim it then goodness knows what God can do in us.
The sky is not even a limit.
Everyone know God loves us as much as he loves Jesus.
The problem is that we can approach God with human reasoning.
We expect God to work in a certain way and let's be honest when we do that it tends to be selfish and we tend to make it conditional.
Things like, if I'm a good child can you do this?
If it doesn't happen then we get mad at God.
We are basically trying to earn Gods love, put him in a box, our own box.
I have learned that over the last years.
One day sat praying and I said to God please do this, he said no there are other things I want to deal with.
So I have come to the place where I just say to him, search me, my innermost being what do you want to do.
As I come to trust him more and more and know he truly loves me it's easier to say "ok what is it you want to do in me? Rather than what is it I can do to get you to love me more.
Believe it or not part of my ministry in Church is to come alongside new Christian's and people wanting to know more about our faith along with hurting people. I love it.
I encourage them not to put God in a box, not to come to him because you want something but because he loves you.
Then let him see fit in how he wants to work in you.
His love is perfect and that being the case he will work in you for what's best for you. Trust that and you will be very surprised.
Put everything aside, give it all up and allow him to work and trust his perfect love.
What I find sad and this is for believers is that a lot I have spent time with do not know this
John 17:23
I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
When I realised this it really started to help me.
God loves me, loves you, loves everyone as much as he loves Jesus.
That is beyond human reasoning but if we start to trust it, and claim it then goodness knows what God can do in us.
The sky is not even a limit.
Everyone know God loves us as much as he loves Jesus.
Asking Jesus to reveal the cause of the effect.
Then allowing Jesus to deal with cause that causes the effect.
Not focusing on the effect but asking Jesus to dig it out the cause and heal it. Then Jesus will increase and the things we do wrong will decrease.
Jesus rights the wrongs within us, we can't right our own wrongs.
I think that's what you are saying.
If so I fully agree and I applaud your post.
If not then I'm happy for you to correct me.
Then allowing Jesus to deal with cause that causes the effect.
Not focusing on the effect but asking Jesus to dig it out the cause and heal it. Then Jesus will increase and the things we do wrong will decrease.
Jesus rights the wrongs within us, we can't right our own wrongs.
I think that's what you are saying.
If so I fully agree and I applaud your post.
If not then I'm happy for you to correct me.
I know Fran of old, or is it Fran is old? Either way both are true.
I think she is like us all here on this thread.
She, you, me don't hate people, yes we get naffed off with each other.
You have yourself said you don't hate anyone (even your hardest opponents) just what they believe detracts from saving faith.
So you have made that very clear, you don't hate them but their doctrine.
Having known Fran for a while I would say she is the same.
Mind you given my opening sentence I may fall foul Fran not hating me.
I hope she doesn't carry a brick in her handbag.
I think she is like us all here on this thread.
She, you, me don't hate people, yes we get naffed off with each other.
You have yourself said you don't hate anyone (even your hardest opponents) just what they believe detracts from saving faith.
So you have made that very clear, you don't hate them but their doctrine.
Having known Fran for a while I would say she is the same.
Mind you given my opening sentence I may fall foul Fran not hating me.
I hope she doesn't carry a brick in her handbag.
Perhaps a topic for a different thread…but is it pride only?...or pride plus something else? Or can there be some other very different reasons for not believing.
i.e. rebellion and wanting to be one’s own god? (which is pride I’m sure…) or not being witnessed to, or not wanting to give up one’s sins for a season or forever? Or anger with God? Perhaps all the reasons in their essence do distil back to pride.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19
Light shows everything up for what it is, but it allows you to walk in love and truth
with the Lord.
Darkness means you can imagine what you want and not face reality and continue
to invent achievements that do not exist and not just follow Jesus and purify ones
life through repentance, faith and obedience.
It is all to possible to make ones own cake and eat it in the darkness because no
one can show you you are talking rubbish and just have hay, straw and stubble.
We are the people of the light, those who walk in the Spirit and not the flesh, so
as Paul says
Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Tim 2:22
John 3:19
Light shows everything up for what it is, but it allows you to walk in love and truth
with the Lord.
Darkness means you can imagine what you want and not face reality and continue
to invent achievements that do not exist and not just follow Jesus and purify ones
life through repentance, faith and obedience.
It is all to possible to make ones own cake and eat it in the darkness because no
one can show you you are talking rubbish and just have hay, straw and stubble.
We are the people of the light, those who walk in the Spirit and not the flesh, so
as Paul says
Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Tim 2:22
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