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AMEN....sin is no longer an issue in the believer....the old man is considered DEAD in SIN and BURIED with Christ....ALL of the sins I would EVER commit were nailed to the cross in CHRIST the day I believed (as far as the condemnation of the law is concerned) after SALVATION (BIBLICALLY by FAITH and GRACE void of HUMAN EFFORT OR WORKS of righteousness) We are dealt with as SONS and Daughters instead of as a lost man or woman......GOD then CHASTENS US as dear children instead of CASTING US AWAY with the LOST....plain as day......just like the opening salvo on this thread....PLAIN AS DAY!
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"WE" did?
I thought Christ did everything for us?
Some folks don't even know their own doctrine.
I thought Christ did everything for us?
Some folks don't even know their own doctrine.
Yeah "we" God's holy spirit empowered children.
gb9 - This language falls down. Please give me an example of what you mean.
I cannot agree with you or disagree because it is too unspecific and you could mean
something different than I expect.
God was very clear about sin and breaking His commandments. It is why he gave
500+. Now always you come back to "perfectly keep them 24/7". You need to talk
about a real example.
And you want to project onto me feelings as if feelings are not part of your life as well.
Paul talked about his conscience being clean, but only God really knew. So repeating
this same loop gets no where, unless you are clearer, but I suspect if you are, you know
it falls apart, so just have a feeling it makes sense, but cannot bring it into reality.
And when I talk about sin, I am talking about real sin, as defined by the Father and Jesus.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
roms 13:8-10
I cannot agree with you or disagree because it is too unspecific and you could mean
something different than I expect.
God was very clear about sin and breaking His commandments. It is why he gave
500+. Now always you come back to "perfectly keep them 24/7". You need to talk
about a real example.
And you want to project onto me feelings as if feelings are not part of your life as well.
Paul talked about his conscience being clean, but only God really knew. So repeating
this same loop gets no where, unless you are clearer, but I suspect if you are, you know
it falls apart, so just have a feeling it makes sense, but cannot bring it into reality.
And when I talk about sin, I am talking about real sin, as defined by the Father and Jesus.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
roms 13:8-10
Ariel - Are you prepared to admit sin are actions driven by desires from the heart?
If you remove the desires, you remove the actions or sinful behaviour.
The law just points out the sinful acts, it says nothing about the desires and how
to resolve them. Killing a lamb is an external event, which does not change your
heart unless you let it.
If you remove the desires, you remove the actions or sinful behaviour.
The law just points out the sinful acts, it says nothing about the desires and how
to resolve them. Killing a lamb is an external event, which does not change your
heart unless you let it.
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Do we need to confess our sins?
I have a temper and God is helping me to be more loving and patient and less judgement. Sometimes I sin in that manner because I speak words in haste and don't pray as often as I should.
Currently that is the issue God is helping me work through and paying attention to when God wants me to speak about Him to strangers and family (witnessing), learning to have faith and courage to do what He asks me daily and not being so self focused and selfish.
I have a temper and God is helping me to be more loving and patient and less judgement. Sometimes I sin in that manner because I speak words in haste and don't pray as often as I should.
Currently that is the issue God is helping me work through and paying attention to when God wants me to speak about Him to strangers and family (witnessing), learning to have faith and courage to do what He asks me daily and not being so self focused and selfish.
This is Perfectly illustrated in John 13.10-11
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “A person who has bathed all over does not need to wash, except for the feet, to be entirely clean. And you disciples are clean, but not all of you.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]For Jesus knew who would betray him. That is what he meant when he said, “Not all of you are clean.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “A person who has bathed all over does not need to wash, except for the feet, to be entirely clean. And you disciples are clean, but not all of you.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]For Jesus knew who would betray him. That is what he meant when he said, “Not all of you are clean.”
Here is a difference of understanding about sin and life.
If you think Christ removed the debt for sin, and you just need to say Jesus is God to be
saved, it makes sense, except it is meaningless.
Sin is caused by us not flowing with the love God provides in everything He communes
with. We are born with a lot of love and a potential, born into a world with hope, but
doomed to sin, because we do not know God. Our hearts and love will dry up and die.
So we need Gods love, we need to know we are loved and accepted, forgiven and
welcomed home. And as people purified and cleansed we walk in the ways of God, because
His life flows through us. Sin is no longer an issue because we love and walk righteously.
This is so foreign to most they cannot believe it is possible let alone a reality, for them it is
daily condemnation, repentance and knowing acceptance despite failure.
If you think Christ removed the debt for sin, and you just need to say Jesus is God to be
saved, it makes sense, except it is meaningless.
Sin is caused by us not flowing with the love God provides in everything He communes
with. We are born with a lot of love and a potential, born into a world with hope, but
doomed to sin, because we do not know God. Our hearts and love will dry up and die.
So we need Gods love, we need to know we are loved and accepted, forgiven and
welcomed home. And as people purified and cleansed we walk in the ways of God, because
His life flows through us. Sin is no longer an issue because we love and walk righteously.
This is so foreign to most they cannot believe it is possible let alone a reality, for them it is
daily condemnation, repentance and knowing acceptance despite failure.
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They ought to, because they say outta one side of their mouths "Jesus took care of everything, so I'm not bothered with sin anymore, then outta the other side of their mouth, tell us God chastens His children for their sins!
Do the math..... you can't have both.....
Do the math..... you can't have both.....
You aren't your past mistakes, you are the person God is making you to become.
God chastens you when you feed your flesh and indulge in who you used to be instead of cutting out the tunores and learning to live a new life in Him.
Why is that so hard to grasp?
Sometimes I think it's semantics and sometimes I wonder if some folks are never chastened and aren't true kids of God?
Only God really knows who are His kids.