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What do you mean stunnedby grace?
You're not perfect?
Do you think you ever will be?
So while you're growing, you can't do any of these here work things?
You mean, you do NOTHING all day long?
You don't go to school, you don't go to work, you don't have a family, you never go shipping and let the little old man pass ahead of you, you never smile at someone, you never try to encourage a friend?
I mean, really, you do NOTHING?
You're not perfect?
Do you think you ever will be?
So while you're growing, you can't do any of these here work things?
You mean, you do NOTHING all day long?
You don't go to school, you don't go to work, you don't have a family, you never go shipping and let the little old man pass ahead of you, you never smile at someone, you never try to encourage a friend?
I mean, really, you do NOTHING?
Of course not silly! 
The kind things I try to do for or to others is not where push comes to shove though, is it?
I can easily be kind or forgive people who I'm never going to see again.
But then I come home and the same dirty, unwashed dishes are lying about and there's mud on the floor and everyone wants me to do something for them the second I walk in the door and now I not only had to get the groceries but apparently, no one has the decency to say thanks, help me carry them up the stairs, or help me put them away. So now I'm exhausted and one of them just said: what's for dinner??!
Going out and about and doing and saying kind things to strangers isn't where push comes to shove.
The kind things I try to do for or to others is not where push comes to shove though, is it?
I can easily be kind or forgive people who I'm never going to see again.
But then I come home and the same dirty, unwashed dishes are lying about and there's mud on the floor and everyone wants me to do something for them the second I walk in the door and now I not only had to get the groceries but apparently, no one has the decency to say thanks, help me carry them up the stairs, or help me put them away. So now I'm exhausted and one of them just said: what's for dinner??!
Going out and about and doing and saying kind things to strangers isn't where push comes to shove.
In fact, push comes to shove in here too. When dcCon is curt or abrupt with me. When EG gets on my last nerve and I want to snap at him to be kinder to someone in his manner of speech and the words he uses. When Depleted talks to me in her matter of fact way when I'm hurting and want some tenderness. When stephen can't admit and say, you know what, you're right, just because someone has been harsh with me doesn't mean I should be harsh back. When grace7 repeats for the five-thousandth time: to keep slander and malice to a minimum..."
And I love them all. I don't give up on any of them, even when I could almost reach through the screen and smack them in my exasperation. I ask for MORE love and MORE patience.
And I love them all. I don't give up on any of them, even when I could almost reach through the screen and smack them in my exasperation. I ask for MORE love and MORE patience.
Exactly why I started the thread about being without sin and casting the first stone....I am trying to do better and have called no one a cake taker today
Ah, there it is! My version says the obedience of faith.
As I said, there is more to it than first meets the eye.
You can actually see the steps in the story of Israel in the desert.
Believe Him that the water wouldn't come crashing down on them when they passed through.
Believe Him that He would care for them and not let them die of thirst even though they became very, very thirsty and uncomfortable in that thirst.
Believe Him and so obey and only gather enough for the day and believe that He would give them just enough the next day too.
The obedience of faith involves some struggle when the notice comes that my water will be shut off in 3 days and I have 95 cents to my name and can't find a job no matter what I try. I learn the obedience of faith through what I suffer. And then when I get to that place of obedience of faith and trust what He's said no matter what it looks like, I get even other believers saying: what? You just think He's going to drop money from the sky for you? Why aren't you worried??! And when I answer that He DID drop provision from the sky for others, they scoff at me even more and call me stupid. And so I get the miracles and they have their bank accounts to take security in. Keep me poor and getting the miracles! I'm going to run this race of trust, by George!
As I said, there is more to it than first meets the eye.
You can actually see the steps in the story of Israel in the desert.
Believe Him that the water wouldn't come crashing down on them when they passed through.
Believe Him that He would care for them and not let them die of thirst even though they became very, very thirsty and uncomfortable in that thirst.
Believe Him and so obey and only gather enough for the day and believe that He would give them just enough the next day too.
The obedience of faith involves some struggle when the notice comes that my water will be shut off in 3 days and I have 95 cents to my name and can't find a job no matter what I try. I learn the obedience of faith through what I suffer. And then when I get to that place of obedience of faith and trust what He's said no matter what it looks like, I get even other believers saying: what? You just think He's going to drop money from the sky for you? Why aren't you worried??! And when I answer that He DID drop provision from the sky for others, they scoff at me even more and call me stupid. And so I get the miracles and they have their bank accounts to take security in. Keep me poor and getting the miracles! I'm going to run this race of trust, by George!
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From what I see, alot of churches claim grace only, But then when they preach, or you listen to their core beliefs, grace only is the furthest from the truth about what they base their eternal life on.
I do know alot of true grace churches in china and africa and many other places are growing, But in most countries outside the united states, it is still mostly catholic. Even the united states is most likely mostly catholic or protestant but based on mostly catholic beliefs. .