This is the Dividing Line on BDF

[PeterJens]

Do I falsely accuse others, Do I continue to tell people they believe something which can not be proven, Do I continue to make up things about them,

You spoke about a dividing line, The dividing line is context, As to how one is saved, Yet the ignore this context as inconsequential and continue to spread the lies,,

When someone confronts me, and I am shown to be in error. Do I blame shift, Do I blame others, Do I ignore the fact that I did anything wrong at all. or have I confessed my sin in front of the room, and asked for forgiveness.

I am not perfect. I never claimed to be, But if I am in willful sin, Then something needs to be done, Not by just a few people, but everyone..

Yes you do this all the time, every person who disagrees with you knows your bullying
tactics and avoiding issues and continuing with an aggressive approach.

I have never met someone who refuses to admit their offence taken and aggression responded
like you. You do not listen at all, and nothing gets through, and you show no sympathy or
understanding, it is mind blowing. On the autistic spectrum you are in a world of your own.

As a parent my response to a child like this is isolation and encouraging what they are interested
in, and when the emotions get too high, an equal and opposite response so they know what it feels
like. And this works, because my son was like this, he needed to know boundaries like you need
to. And he learnt how to limit them in himself.

 

[loveme1]

Here is something for us all to consider:

1 Corinthians 1

10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the houseof Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.



(always friends read all of the chapter.)

There should not be a dividing line and it is sad to see so much contention. While we must contend for the Faith we must always be sure we are in Spirit and Truth.

Often times I withdraw from a thread.. take a moment to consider what I share is in line with Scripture.

Consider a day when there was no other writings in your Bible.. no doctrine to read outside of your Bible... just you seeking GOD in Spirit and Truth...

It is written that
GOD is not the author of confusion.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Hi EG,

It's Lynn that started this thread mentioning the dividing line on BDF. To answer your questions I don't know if you falsely accuse others, or tell others what they believe when they don't or make up things.

All I'm asking is have you ever done what they're doing? Have you thrown stones, rocks included? Have you called anyone a name? Have you belittled someone? Have you done anything out of the carnal nature and not in the Spirit of Christ which is love.

When you are angry with those you battle with do you care about their eternal destiny or are you just concerned that so and so called someone a name? ......or whatever.......fill in the blank?

All I'm trying to get across is that we've all blown it. And nothing will change or get better in the BDF until someone begins to change. It has to start with someone and then another and then another. I'm not saying it will ever be perfect, but it can get better if those of us who are born-again and filled with the Spirit of God begin to love others.

And what is love?
~ Patient
~ Kind
~ Not jealous
~ Doesn't brag
~ Not arrogant
~ Not unbecoming
~ Not selfish
~ Not provoked easily
~ Not taking things into account when suffering a wrong
~ Doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness
~ Rejoices in the truth
~ Bears all things
~ Hopes all things
~ Endures all things
~ Love never fails

So I posted these to help us all see where we fail. The only way BDF can improve is if those of us who say we're Christians begin to act like we are. Where do you see in scripture to continue to fight a person over a doctrinal issue?

Say what you have to say and then leave it to the Lord to reveal truth to them. That is if you are sharing truth. That's why I've asked you if you've ever been wrong. If you've ever grown in the truth.

So let's say that there are wolves on here. Those preaching another gospel. How hard is it to counter them with scripture so that the young in the Lord here or those who are seeking don't buy into what they're selling. And leave it at that. In fact you don't have to engage them, just what they're saying. Refute it and convince others through scripture, but do it kindly.

You say you want to see change........great, we all do. So let's stop engaging the enemy. Refute lies with scripture......you don't even have to talk to the poster......just respond to the lie with scripture without adding all the junk that goes with it.

If we as believers can't see our own sin, we'll never change and things will go on as they are. And please, don't think I'm picking on you because I'm not. I'm saying it for all of us. Let's be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.

This is the best solution that has been posted...Post Scripture to the point being made and move on...Other wise feelings, emotions take over and the war becomes personal although posters will say they are fighting for the word...Our battles are Spiritual warfare, not between flesh and blood...Peace to ALL in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ ...xox...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

This is the best solution that has been posted...Post Scripture to the point being made and move on...Other wise feelings, emotions take over and the war becomes personal although posters will say they are fighting for the word...Our battles are Spiritual warfare, not between flesh and blood...Peace to ALL in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ ...xox...

We also have to stop demanding that everyones "doctrine" be perfect and if it's not call them lost, fallen from grace, wolves in sheeps clothing, nonbelievers, etc.

We don't know their heart and we don't know where they are in growth. Some believe continuing in faith and abiding in it and growing in it are necessary. According to some, these half are not saved.

A man is not lost if he has some misconceptions or some area where the Spirit has not yet cleared up a thing for him.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Here is something for us all to consider:

1 Corinthians 1

10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the houseof Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.



(always friends read all of the chapter.)

There should not be a dividing line and it is sad to see so much contention. While we must contend for the Faith we must always be sure we are in Spirit and Truth.

Often times I withdraw from a thread.. take a moment to consider what I share is in line with Scripture.

Consider a day when there was no other writings in your Bible.. no doctrine to read outside of your Bible... just you seeking GOD in Spirit and Truth...

It is written that
GOD is not the author of confusion.

This is the same wise man who said: but I will show you a better way. LOVE. Love covers a multitude of sins.

 

[loveme1]

This is the same wise man who said: but I will show you a better way. LOVE. Love covers a multitude of sins.

Beautiful my friend.

 

[Depleted]

We also have to stop demanding that everyones "doctrine" be perfect and if it's not call them lost, fallen from grace, wolves in sheeps clothing, nonbelievers, etc.

We don't know their heart and we don't know where they are in growth. Some believe continuing in faith and abiding in it and growing in it are necessary. According to some, these half are not saved.

A man is not lost if he has some misconceptions or some area where the Spirit has not yet cleared up a thing for him.

But that's not where the Light takes me all the time. We don't know someone's heart, but we can tell a lot about their thinking, especially when they quote who they like a lot. I think it's important to clarify what's wrong with the preacher someone is following. If we don't know, we're walking around in a deep fog and thinking that's a bright sunny day.

And if we do know, but choose to keep following and promoting that preacher, we're trying to persuade God's kids into enjoying the same darkness.

We don't know someone's heart, but we really can see what they're up to by their actions. And, I'm not okay with thinking anything-you-feel-like-believing is the Gospel. When I argue with the person trying to convince others into some pile of manure, I do argue with that person. And I do so fairly certain that person won't hear me. BUT others reading it might realize they've been pointed into the wrong direction.

(And, yeah. If anyone is wondering if I'm talking about people who have joined this thread -- you betcha! Not everyone. Not even most. But four names are in my head right now, and all four came on assuming they could use this thread to further promote their personal agenda. And their agenda has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.)

 

[Stephen63]

We also have to stop demanding that everyones "doctrine" be perfect and if it's not call them lost, fallen from grace, wolves in sheeps clothing, nonbelievers, etc.

We don't know their heart and we don't know where they are in growth. Some believe continuing in faith and abiding in it and growing in it are necessary. According to some, these half are not saved.

A man is not lost if he has some misconceptions or some area where the Spirit has not yet cleared up a thing for him.

I agree. That's why I don't do it.

What I do is check posts & catch members twisting scripture, twisting lexicons, & using eisegesis to make their false claims on doctrine, because such actions themselves are deceitful & not by accident. I try to expose INTENT more than the false doctrine they spew. Then I call those deceitful people wolves & sinners, because they are.

When they quit acting wolflike & deceitful, I will show them the same respect as I do others.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[Meggido]

If darkness is absent, then would it not be that Light has dispelled it? We could go on all day about this. lol

Rainbow huh? hmmm...All colors or different shades of 1? Do I think too much? or is there something in this?

here is what i am getting at....there is either darkness or light...
Does light truly dispel darkness?

John 1.5 says-
[SUP]5 [/SUP]The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

 

[Grace777x70]

There is an inherent problem with attacking preachers per se. it is simply that every preacher is a heretic or teaches something that another group dis-agrees with and so we think it's our "duty" to slander and rip those preachers apart.

For example: I like some things that Spurgeon says and some things - not so much. There are others that don't and they have websites dedicated to his "heresies".

Here are a few examples:


https://banneroftruth.org/us/resources/articles/2001/are-you-sure-you-like-spurgeon/

A True Church - Charles Spurgeon, An Ecumenical False Teacher

There are tons more of them but you get my drift. I could do the same for every teacher that is well known.

Personally I don't agree with every preacher on all things they preach about no matter who they are but in the same token I am not going to assault their character and slander them because of a dis-agreement in some area.

Paul told Timothy who "was in spiritual authority in a certain area" of a few men "by name" that Paul had given over to satan because of their behavior. There are certain things that only those in local assembly leadership that have the authority to confront others openly.

This doesn't mean that every Tom, Dick and Sally on the internet is free to malign others in the body of Christ.

But we can post what we believe without ripping others apart and leave things in the hands of the Lord to bring us all around to His truth as He sees it.

 

[Stephen63]

There is an inherent problem with attacking preachers per se. it is simply that every preacher is a heretic or teaches something that another group dis-agrees with and so we think it's our "duty" to slander and rip those preachers apart.

For example: I like some things that Spurgeon says and some things - not so much. There are others that don't and they have websites dedicated to his "heresies".

Here are a few examples:


https://banneroftruth.org/us/resources/articles/2001/are-you-sure-you-like-spurgeon/

A True Church - Charles Spurgeon, An Ecumenical False Teacher

There are tons more of them but you get my drift. I could do the same for every teacher that is well known.

Personally I don't agree with every preacher on all things they preach about no matter who they are but in the same token I am not going to assault their character and slander them because of a dis-agreement in some area.

Paul told Timothy who "was in spiritual authority in a certain area" of a few men "by name" that Paul had given over to satan because of their behavior. There are certain things that only those in local assembly leadership that have the authority to confront others openly.

This doesn't mean that every Tom, Dick and Sally on the internet is free to malign others in the body of Christ.

But we can post what we believe without ripping others apart and leave things in the hands of the Lord to bring us all around to His truth as He sees it.

Wow, who ripped up what preacher? What did they say?

 

[PeterJens]

Presenting theology and teachers of different types of theology is not a problem.
Disagreeing and explaining why is not a problem.

Suggesting heresy and false teachers should not be confronted and taught against
is a problem, because it comes very often from a camp who are so heretical and
blasphemous de-sensitising the audience is there first tactic. You know the next
is only going to be far worse, lol

 

[BillG]

Mr. Wrigley, I think you know I'm personal friends with Ralph, Anton, and especially Rollo Tamasi.

I ain't see Rollo for a while. Have you?

 

[AllenW]

I ain't see Rollo for a while. Have you?

He's here in the spirit.
I talked to Ralph today.
He may join as soon as today, depending on his schedule.
He wants to meet these big bad boys I tell him about.

 

[BillG]

I agree. That's why I don't do it.

What I do is check posts & catch members twisting scripture, twisting lexicons, & using eisegesis to make their false claims on doctrine, because such actions themselves are deceitful & not by accident. I try to expose INTENT more than the false doctrine they spew. Then I call those deceitful people wolves & sinners, because they are.

When they quit acting wolflike & deceitful, I will show them the same respect as I do others.

Hope that clears things up.

So I am assume you think Some on this site do that. I am not asking names.
What I don't understand how one can determine, particularly on here who are sheeps and therefore sinners because of false doctrines .

My understanding is that such are normally out to profit from it.
I can't see this here.

What I do see are people with different doctrinal beliefs, but all seem to wanting to be leading people to Jesus.
Each have different thoughts on how this happens and I am assuming all have studied and researched themselves.

How would you determine false doctrine to the extent the persons are deceitful and therefore in fact sinners?

 

[Stephen63]

So I am assume you think Some on this site do that. I am not asking names.
What I don't understand how one can determine, particularly on here who are sheeps and therefore sinners because of false doctrines .

My understanding is that such are normally out to profit from it.
I can't see this here.

What I do see are people with different doctrinal beliefs, but all seem to wanting to be leading people to Jesus.
Each have different thoughts on how this happens and I am assuming all have studied and researched themselves.

How would you determine false doctrine to the extent the persons are deceitful and therefore in fact sinners?

Uumm..... did you read that post of mine that you replied on?

 

[PeterJens]

Who is a wolf and who is a sheep?

I think the answer to this question is probably who benefits and are they built up
or torn down. I have to say if I feed off the emotions being expressed by some
parties it is definately destructive and angry. I think this is the wolf coming out.

The sheep is concern and desire to bring upbuilding, illumination and a blessing.

I do sometimes wonder if empathy makes this harder. Feeling anothers feelings can
throw one off a bit. What has encouraged me is Pauls enthusiasm, that just overflows
from his letters. He faced terrible opposition yet stayed loving, pure and holy.

Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
1 Thes 5:16-18

Boy this is difficult stuff. But in Christ He makes it possible, Amen.

 

[Depleted]

There is an inherent problem with attacking preachers per se. it is simply that every preacher is a heretic or teaches something that another group dis-agrees with and so we think it's our "duty" to slander and rip those preachers apart.

For example: I like some things that Spurgeon says and some things - not so much. There are others that don't and they have websites dedicated to his "heresies".

Here are a few examples:


https://banneroftruth.org/us/resources/articles/2001/are-you-sure-you-like-spurgeon/

A True Church - Charles Spurgeon, An Ecumenical False Teacher

There are tons more of them but you get my drift. I could do the same for every teacher that is well known.

Personally I don't agree with every preacher on all things they preach about no matter who they are but in the same token I am not going to assault their character and slander them because of a dis-agreement in some area.

Paul told Timothy who "was in spiritual authority in a certain area" of a few men "by name" that Paul had given over to satan because of their behavior. There are certain things that only those in local assembly leadership that have the authority to confront others openly.

This doesn't mean that every Tom, Dick and Sally on the internet is free to malign others in the body of Christ.

But we can post what we believe without ripping others apart and leave things in the hands of the Lord to bring us all around to His truth as He sees it.

You picked Spurgeon for obvious reasons. I like him. (Duh now!) BUT, I don't post stuff by him I don't like, and I don't post stuff by him I disagree with.

So, you can tell what I follow by what I do post, just as I can tell what you follow by what you do post. A little realism goes a long way. Playing the "look what I found" game really doesn't work on me, because I, by and large, agree with most of Spurgeon. (And the stuff I disagree with him about usually has more to do with "that boat past so long ago, it doesn't even apply now.")

 

[BillG]

Uumm..... did you read that post of mine that you replied on?

Yep I did.
What makes you think I did not?

 

[Depleted]

So I am assume you think Some on this site do that. I am not asking names.
What I don't understand how one can determine, particularly on here who are sheeps and therefore sinners because of false doctrines .

My understanding is that such are normally out to profit from it.
I can't see this here.

What I do see are people with different doctrinal beliefs, but all seem to wanting to be leading people to Jesus.
Each have different thoughts on how this happens and I am assuming all have studied and researched themselves.

How would you determine false doctrine to the extent the persons are deceitful and therefore in fact sinners?

I've bolded the part I can help you out with.

<------ Might have drank too much coffee, but that's a sheep.

<-------- Not a sheep.

Did that help?