" Be not deceived" some scripture

Snoozy · Jul 31, 2017

grace777 u have registered in 2015 have u been doing this re-writing and twisting of bible all this time? this is awful to look at. you even nullify simple ten commandments into ten promises (thats nowhere in the bible) and call people who wanna obey God religion workers.. a tree is known by its fruit.
why try so hard to prevent people from obeying? let them obey who will! whosoever WILL let him pick up his cross and follow me Jesus said.

followjesus · Jul 31, 2017

actually sister my answer...is that GOD has every answer, that Jesus Christ IS the answer

God bless and Keep you, YOU ARE A BLESSING !!!!

followjesus · Jul 31, 2017

Snoozy said:

amen, Let all who will join me in daily prayer for Bruce and others trapped by the doctrine that teaches such things, God Loves Bruce as much a any of us !! prayer is powerful stuff !

Grace777x70 · Jul 31, 2017

Jesus said "I have many things to tell you but you cannot bear them now. But the Holy Spirit when He comes - He will teach you all things and reveal the things of Me and show them unto you."

Meaning - Jesus had many other things to tell us but the disciples couldn't understand them yet - Jesus has used Paul to show what these things are by the Holy Spirit. You do not get these in the 4 gospels. The words spoken to Paul are from Jesus' words and are just as valid.

The proclamation of Christ produces the profession of Christ, but the explanation of Christ is what produces the experience of Christ.

Believers can never fully enjoy the triumph of the gospel and express Christ in this world victoriously until there has been an explanation and exposition of the vivid details of the redemptive work of Christ that has gained a foothold in our renewed minds.

The 4 gospels were eyewitness accounts of the historical events in the life and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is based on the veracity of these events as having occurred in real time, in all historicity and specificity.

Nevertheless it is the unveiling of the spiritual realities of these events that relates to the believer in Christ. This is found in the revelation that the Lord Jesus Christ gave to the apostle Paul.

The 4 gospels are the proclamation of the gospel. They disclose to us what men saw. Acts of the apostles is the demonstration of the gospel, but it is Paul's letters which give us an explanation of the gospel. It is the Pauline Epistles that are the constitution of this church age.

Paul's epistles explain what happened from the cross, death, burial, quickening and resurrection to the being seated at the right hand of the Father. Without these epistles we would have no idea what Jesus our Lord actually accomplished for us.

Paul was taught by Jesus Christ Himself to explain His gospel = to reveal the mystery that was hidden in God until it was revealed by Christ to Paul. The mystery being Christ Himself and the riches of that glory is that Christ is in us and we are in union with Him as one spirit!

These "explanations" of the mystery of the gospel that Christ is in us - cannot be found openly in the 4 gospels themselves. We need to marry the things Paul said with the words of Jesus in the 4 gospels.

It is in Paul's explanation of the gospel that Christ is in us - the hope of glory where we find the nutrients to walk by the spirit.

Grace777x70 · Jul 31, 2017

I love giving my testimony about what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for me despite all the malice and slander being said. Thank you Lord Jesus!

To tell you the truth - I have come to accept it and see it for what it really is. It's called the "flesh" and we all do it from time to time. I forgive it and bless you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. All is well.....

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I will give you my testimony of what the Lord has done when He revealed to me my complete dependence on the gospel of the grace of Christ.

He has changed my mind ( As, only God can give true repentance ) on how I view a lot of things concerning Him and my life in Christ and of course that means all kinds of different sin - for "whatsoever is not of faith is in fact sin ". I have posted this a few times in CC.

If people feel the need to castigate what the Lord has done in my life - then so be it. I am not denying Christ in me and what He has done. I am not ashamed of the gospel - for in it is the power of God for real salvation.

I have a great passion for Christ! Here is what knowing Him because of the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for me.

I was praying one morning and thinking about how the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up in my spirit where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him. Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."

This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:

I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace, repentance from dead works and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church. (they were initially to me as well )

This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.

To live a holier life in Him...which is not only living separate from the "biggie sins" but everything that He reveals about anything that is contrary to life and His nature that is in me....this has led me to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.

If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....give me more grace please my Lord and God!

I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever before or ever dreamed was possible and I am just starting.

I am free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out in me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self-performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )

I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!

It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..

It will never be - "Worthy is the Lamb......and me because I did my own D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness to help Jesus out"

It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that way for all eternity.

followjesus · Jul 31, 2017

you have odd definitions of "malice and slander" if a doctrine is false its false" and the gog is most definately a false doctrine " God sais this, but dont actually believe that listen to this explaination" i think you seem like a nice Guy, but as you know our doctrine is opposite. yours comes from statements like this that shaoe your mind

Any time you read a conditional statement from Jesus, you should interpret it as law. “Do not judge and you will not be judged” (Lk 6:37). That’s good advice but it’s also law. To avoid something (judgment) you have to do something (don’t judge). It’s a blessing you have to pay for. And anytime Jesus makes a threat, you should interpret that as law as well.“Anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment” (Mt 5:22). That’s bad news for anyone with a brother!

from the paul ellis article you have shared so many times here there is absolutely not a single scripture in the Holy bible that will ever suggest such deceit, it will neve come form God. Jesus doesnt make " Threats" He came to speak the unadulterated truth from God. Nothing JESUS christ said is against anyone, nor is it meant to condemn anyone.

ideas Like this have built walls up in your mind because thats what that doctrine does its goal is to get you away from the Word of truth by exlaining why it doesnt apply its the mind of a man trying to sell a different Gospel, of which there is only One eternal and true Gospel. the same Paul preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

romans 14:17-18 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."

acts 20: 20-27 "And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem, not knowing the things that shall befall me there: Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me. But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God."

acts 28:23-31 "And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves. And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him."

1 corinthians 4:20-21 "For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?"

1 corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God"

1 corinthians 15:33-34"Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

galatians 5:16-21 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

there is only 1 Gospel paul refers to it as the gospel of Grace 1 time maybe 2. it does not mean He invented or taught a different Gospel, there is only 1 Gospel, One Lord, One spirit, One Faith. that is found in the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. as Jesus spoke....SO IT IS AND SHALL BE FOREVER. until you are able to not see Jesus Word as a " threat" or as any condition the Lord Himself made clear as the Mosaic Law you will not Get it. why is all you say always contrary to the Lord? open your eyes friend turn from the fallacy of the gog and find the Lord Jesus Christ

Grace777x70 · Jul 31, 2017

Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16[/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

Acts 20:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God.

Ephesians 6:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel,

I wonder if this "Christian" thing has anything to do with "grace" that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior?

It looks like we have received - grace upon grace through the Lord Jesus Christ

John 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

It looks like we "believe through grace".

( I'm sure they really meant that we are saved because of the good works we do...)

Acts 18:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Paul said that it was the grace of God that would give the believers their inheritance and it was able to build them up.

( Maybe that's not really important...)

Acts 20:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Paul said for Timothy to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
( He probably didn't really mean it.... )

2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

The apostles said that we are saved by the grace of God

( They probably really meant to say - you are saved by works that we do or don't do.)

Acts 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."

Paul says that we are justified "freely" by grace.

(He really meant to say - we are justified and continue to be saved by all the good works we do... )

Romans 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Paul says that when we receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness - we reign in life through Christ alone.

( He really meant to say that - those who do good works all the days of their life will receive grace and the gift of righteousness )

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Then Paul was really messed up when he told the Ephesians this scripture below-

( He really meant to say - you must do good works in order to create and maintain salvation - Paul was just having an "off" day when he wrote Ephesians )

( And God has even prepared the good works for us to walk in as a result of having His grace that saves us and not any works - we get to participate in the family business of telling people of the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them )

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Here Paul told Timothy that God saved us according to His own purpose and grace - not according to our works.

( He really meant to say - He will save us if we do enough good works...again Paul was having an "off" day )

2 Timothy 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Peter says to fix our hope "completely" on the grace that comes with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

( It's most likely a mis-print in all 5,000 manuscripts - he really meant to tell us to fix our hope on our good works because you could end up in hell if you don't do enough of them..)

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Conclusion - this "grace stuff" is really not important at all.

The gospel of the grace of God in Christ is not really important - just "mimic" the teachings of Jesus and we are good to go.

We can "do our own works of righteousness in order to keep ourselves saved" - and God will be pleased with us....yeah right!.......

loveme1 · Jul 31, 2017

The New Covenant is a gift from a Gracious and Merciful GOD.

followjesus · Jul 31, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Grace came through Jesus Brice not paul, paul is a servant of the Lord nothing more, nothing Less there is One Gospel. Everything paul taught all the grace Just believe things...the Holy spirit all of the gospel is in the real Gospel. paul would have no foundation to speak of the Holy spirit, if Jesus Had not taught His disciples about the Holy spirit first and much more clearly and completely. you are trying to insinuate that salvation comes through a few lines from pauls Letters when you readily deny the truth in them as well. only what YOU have learned Grace is from terrible gog teachings that teach Jesus Words are not for you. Grace is found in Jesus and the Gospel. this is what you cannot see or will not accept. Here Just one example of true Grace

John 8:And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: <<<< that is true Moses they had the Law correct it does command Her death ) >>>>>but what sayest thou? ( pay close attention Because Jesus is going to give Grace to Her and teach Grace to them real godly Grace)

6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, <<<( thats a key phrase here) as though he heard them not. 7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. ( note Jesus is not following the Mosaic Law right here He is directly not following the Law of moses they were following it, Jesus was not)

8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: ( Had they denied thier own sin she was dead) and Jesus was left alone, ( He was without sin) and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

you are the One missing true Grace because you are following what the gog pastors teach you. I ask you to be Hoinest Bruce . suppose you were that woman had Just been caught in adultery, the LAW sentances you to death, its not an option, a possibility according to the Mosaic Law those men are commended to put Her to Death. do you Not see How gracious Jesus was, How forgiving? and How this won Her Heart? she was as good as dead facing a terribly painful death for Her sin and Jesus Precious Jesus shows up on the scene, does not in any way follow or teach anything from the Law of moses, does not honor the law that says " surely you must stone the adulterer, put them to death show no pity, no mercy" <<<the pharisees had it right by the rule of Law.

you have been taught wrong friend im sorry for you, but all you have to do is let Go of that doctrine and trust the Words of your Lord. you will not find that He will condemn you, what you will find is the power of His word to set you free from bondage and purge sin from you. Grace is not found for any man if they cannot see it in Jesus Christ and The Gospel, it doesnt exist without Jesus and His words.

you want " neither will i ever let you be condemned" But thats not whats there " He saves her from certain death of the Mosaic Law, by law she had to be stoned to death there was no choice for her to be forgiven she was caught in adultery the Law makes no provision for Her it condemns her. But the Gospel sevs Her, and then Jesus says " Neither do I condemn you for you sin, NOW GO AND SIN NO MORE"

you dont want that Last part you avoid it with all you have in you, you dont even believe thats possible you have said that many times. the reason you dont is you toss everything that will teach you out and try to make the gospel what it is not, its not a free pass to Heaven im sorry but it isnt we Know this from all Jesus said, and even if you only would accept ALL of pauls writings its still very evident. Grace is not freedom from punishment of sin that you continuie in, Jesus provides for forgiveness in His doctrine for those whp believe in Him when you throw Out Gods words you have no chance to ever really get it.when someone shapes your mind teaching you that Jesus was teaching the Mosaic Law, they are not telling you the truth its Just that people want an easy message.

Jesus saved that woman completely if He hadnt said what He said she was done no hope already condemned By the Law of Moses. But His grace saved Her He doesnt tell Her Now go and live as you wish dont worry about sin, dont worry about what I your Lord, said. He gives Her an instruction. you see that as if He says " if you sin one more time you are Lost now" thats not what He says either, i guarantee you that woman was changed by that experience and she didnt go one living as she wished, she dedicated Her Life to Jesus Christ Her Lord. sure she probably made mistakes after, but there was Jesus still saying "forgive those who sin against you now that ive forgiven you and My Heavenly father will forgive you"

dont you respect Jesus Who gave His Life for you? dont you understand what " Lord" Means? who accepts someones agonizing death, and then labels thier words as the dreaded terrible Law of Moses when the Bible is so clear?

john 1:17 "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

thats Grace and truth together " I forgive you, Now follow me as Lord, learn to forsake sin and follow Me. take My yoke upon you and Learn from me" thats all there is to it, if you werent convinced His words would Kill you and condemn you by false teachers you woulod see for yourself, until you will accept His words and His Blood you are yet to accept the truth. Jesus Christ taught the Gospel ive shown you so many times Him saying clearly I am preaching the Gospel ive shown you paul saying " anyone who will not consent to the Words of Our Lord Jesus Christ Knows nothing, has no truth in they are destitute and reprobate. you simply need to forget im telling you, and accept the truth about what Grace really is " shall we sin being under Grace and not Law? GOD FORBID we go on sinning" im sorry you have such an issue buit thats what false doctrine does to a mind and why we are warned and warned and warned about it.

I promise you Jesus was not teaching false doctrine, But He taught the Words of lIFE, SPIRIT AND ETERNAL lIFE. jOHN 6:63, John 6:68 nut you know that as well. I hope you will eventually get away from that doctrine its truly a terrible deception.

followjesus · Aug 1, 2017

loveme1 said:

you Know ive been considering this in prayer, really Jesus is teaching the real covenant. in the Old times they coulod not see the truth through thier own sin, because thier Hearts desired the forbidden things, they would never submit to God, when He spoke to the congregation at Horeb Here is thier response

God speaks to them from Mount Hireb the ten commandments and their response is this

exodus 20:19-21 "And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.20And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not. 21And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

Moses wasnt afraid of God or His word, He feared and revered God as is a Godly thing we need to do, but He wasnt afraid to go near and Hear Gods Word. later God says this to Him concerning Jesus.

deuteronomy 18:15-19 " The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

we Know for certain this is Jesus because peter confirms it, as does Paul in the book of acts, Jesus Himself confirms it again and again saying " I am the One God sent, Im speaking The words of God, hear me, keep my words and you will never see death"

Peter

acts 3:22-26 "For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."

Jesus

John 12:48-50 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

john 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

John the Baptist " John 3:31-36 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

I guess my point is what would God have said to them if they had not asked for Moses to teach them? to me it stands to reason that He would have explained the Gospel to them rather than going through Moses who was Himself a sinner, and a harsh man when it came to sin also commanding them to kill one another so that thousands were slain when He came down from the Mountain. But what if they werent afraid of God, and they drew near to Him as Moses did? what Would the Lord have said had they said instead " amen Lord please continue we know you are good you have saved us because of Grace from the slavery to egypt we knew, we trust you are Good Lord?

I Know the Gospel is Gods plan, but had they not been unspiritual would the Law of Moses had been so harsh on sinners? you see the real purpose ultimately of Jesus coming was to send the Holy spirit into us through His death and resurrection, and Just as Much was Him telling us Gods true Words straight from the throne in Heaven, through Jesus messiah the holy One without sin so the word is pure and true. really the covenant began with abraham offering His Only Son, God then promises Him 2 things. that His blood relation israel will go into captivity four hundred Years and then He would deliver them, the other Promise comes when the Lamb of God appears, when God offers His Only Son to complete the covenant not only meant for israel, but for all kinbdreds and peoples on earth. the Law was its own covenant based on the sinfulness of the People. It appears after the Promise, and ends when God fulfills His Promise sending Jesus to save the World.

My thing is this the New covenant is spoken entirely By Jesus Christ, and then Like moses spoke the Whole Law to the people then shed Blood to put it into effect, so did Jesus He spoke the Gospel and then Shed His blood to put it into effect ( Hebrews 9:15-20)

you are right it is a gift and it is so much better than the Mosaic Law, a covenant is spoken and then sealed and made of effect when the blood is shed.

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

thats Just what Jesus did in this there are the two covenants, that which was spoken through Moses ( the Mosaic Law) and that Which was spoken through Jesus Christ. Just as the Prophets never changed the Law nor could they they were expounding on it and exhorting the people to repent and return to it, so the apostles never changed the Gospel, they were expounding on it and exhorting the People to go to Jesus.

sevenseas · Aug 1, 2017

followjesus said:

as I said, I linked to a simple explanation

but you are right. the roots actually do go back to latter rain

people are ignorant of history and think they are on the wave of apostolic 'revelation'

they are being seduced by lying spirits and doctrines of demons

and then you have someone who comes along and spouts off that everyone who disagrees with his religion which he has carefully cut and pasted from countless hours on youtube vids, is full of malice, a slanderer, and on and on and on

he does not come right out and say what he believes. you have to fight your way through a barrage of false accusations from him and look a little deeper and you find that it is mostly words that sound like he knows something, but in reality, he only repeats what he heard or read and has no practical application other than to accuse others who try to point out the false teachings

it's a wicked thing to be caught up in and it's going to get worse as people worship a sound and follow teachers like bill johnson, who actually teach that a person has to go beyond scripture to experience revelation...he considers himself an apostle of the new (well its really old and sounds like 'has God really said) move and he endorsed Todd Bentley, who was proven to be NOT of God less than 2 months after he and others gave their approval and let him into their self appointed little clique of the hyper spiritual gurus of extra biblical weird things

CherieR · Aug 1, 2017

What is most important is to believe on Jesus and to trust in his work on the cross and resurrection to save us rather than our good deeds. The works we do apart from Christ are not good enough and are dirty rags before God. Liars will be thrown into the lake of fire if they have not put their faith in Jesus therefore are not written in the Lamb's book of Life. What if you lie just a tad bit much? Will you will go to hell if you have trusted Christ as Lord and Savior but lied too much? What is too much sin? It says that to all who received him( that is Jesus), to all who believe on his name he gave the right to be sons of God. The problem with the idea that if you sin to much you will go to hell, is that it would be like saying to all who received him, to all who believed on his name he gave the right to be called sons of God, all except those who sinned to much during their lifetime.That idea is an insult to the grace of God.

followjesus · Aug 1, 2017

sevenseas said:

you are absolutely correct in what you are saying. I have found that it echoes the serpent always Has and will. God says clearly and without confusion what he says, and then the serpent comes and twists the persons mind to set it against what God Has clearly said.

we say " Faith" truly Faith is to take God at His Word, and if only we can grasp that His words are not against us in any way we then will understand Faith. we Know God is sooooo Good, and cares soooo deeply for us, yet many then think His words are meant to condemn us. that is directly the influence of satan. all the angels, all the saints, all who belong to Our God will Know He is Good, His word is Good, it is Life to the dead, it is righteousness for those lost in sin, it is light in darkness, it is the very truth of our God that is so incredibly beyond words GOOOOOOOD SO GOOD. and alot miss the fact that Gods Power to create is when He speaks " He said Let there be light, and from nothing, from darkness the Light Just shined brightly and the Light was Good. why ? Because God said " Let there be LIGHT" and then God blessed the Light saying " He saw that the light was good" Jesus is that Light, the Light of the world His Light shines through His Word and actions both together. and we are meant to stand in that Light as in a dark room we stand with no light we cannot see what is there, in the light of His word we flip the switch and all things become visable all that is in us is exposed in the Light, this happens in our Hearts.

2 corinthians 4:3-6 "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

all we need is to Just believe, what We believe is the Word of God given through the One He always said would speak His true and everlasting Words all the rest supports the Gospel and is built upon the foundation of the Gospel there is Power in Gods Word to Keep us safe from all deception and all Harm

followjesus · Aug 1, 2017

CherieR said:

its One aspect friend. the Most important thing we can do, is believe Gods Word. if we do, then We will believe that He died for our sins, was raised to Life and exalted to sit next to God. there is nothing unimooirtant that Jesus said. its what caused the Problem in the first place God said " you must not eat the fruit of the tree of good and Evil for when you do, you will surely die"

then satan comes along and says " did God really say that?" ( he creates doubt in what God had clearly said. then He says " Nahhh surely you will not die, God Knows it will make you like Him" as soon as they buy that Lie they look and see that the fruit is actually good for food and will make them wise" we are doomed to repeat the Past until we get faith in Gods Word.

the same who will say all that matters is the cross, believe Gods Word about it, they believe Gods Word about Healing, communion ect but when God is making a clear warning to repent, then all the sudden thats not to be believed. its about Learning what Jesus said AND also what Jesus has done. we have to not cast Gods word aside because someone says " its not important, only this unconditional word is " believe this, but nah that other stuff thats not for you, listen to me friend trust me"

its about Gods Word its about Believing God because He is good and will never lead us astray, if we refuse His word were done for we will surely die

Magenta · Aug 1, 2017

followjesus said:

Do you believe John chapter one? Jesus is the Word of God, the Word of God is God, the Word of God manifested in the flesh and walked this world? Not how you want to rewrite it, Jason, but the way it is actually written? You say the most important thing is to believe God's Word; you say it often and yet you reject what God's Word says. I realize you do not like having this failing of yours pointed out to you Jason, and I do not point it out to you to antagonize you, but just to show you that what you say does not add up to and match your own beliefs and actions. According to what you believe and teach other people, Jason, you are done for and will surely die. I ddon't want that for you any more than you want it for others.

followjesus · Aug 1, 2017

Magenta said:

magenta this gets old i already have you on ignore. let me ask you do you believe that God sent His only Begotten Son?

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

did God send Jesus His Son into the World? ive tired of this ridiculous year long thing you carry. I Believe that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God. you already Know this, do you believe that God even Has an only begotten Son>?????

Jesus was God because He was in God before He was Born, when any child is Born, like you before you were concieved you were in the Body of your Father, so you were your Father when you are born, you are your Fathers Child. the difference in this ridiculous thing you carry on and on and on. is that i do not look at one scripture yes i believe John 1:1, I also understand the rest of that chapter things Like This

john 1;1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

what did John say when He bore witness?

john 3:33-36 "He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

thats John the baptist How Bout John the apostle?

JOHN 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name"

How about the apostle peter Jesus asked Him who do people say I am?

matthew 16:13-17 "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. ( Jesus response to that?)
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

or what does peter say the disciples all believe and are sure of?

john 6:68-69 "Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

does anyone say "this is what you need to believe about Jesus ?

1 john 5:1-5 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. thats what I believe. apparently you have no place attempting to condemn that belief since anyone who believes that, is born of God, and will overcome the World. but thats Just what the Bible says. lets continue.

is there any more that is said clearly who He is?

1 john 5:9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. " <<<< that name is Jesus the Christ

What does God say from Heaven of jesus?

matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Mark 9:5-7"And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."

do we Know this is Gods voice?speaking about Jesus His Son?

2 peter 1:16-18 "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount."

Peter James and John were with Him.

im really weary of this ridiculous thing you do, im not Like you i dont think each scripture tells any whole story, I understand that Jesus came out from God was with and was part of God in the Beginning, I also Understand that God placed His Word in marys womb, and When Jesus Was Born, He then was the Son of God, the promised Messiah.

I understand that God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ , and that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. I undrstand that they are One because of the Spirit of God being in the Son of God as any Father is One with thier Child. in truth magenta you need to confess that Jesus is the Son of God the On ly begotten because that is the Christian Faith.

you already Know that God has never been seen John says that well after Jesus was crucified John walked with Jesus touched Him. you already Know that James says well after Jesus was resurrected and ascended to the right Hand of God the Father, that God cannot be tempted and you Know that Jesus was tempted in every way Just as we are. or maybe you dont, here ya go on that also

Hebrews 4:14-15 "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

and james says clearly

james 1;13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Jesus is the promised Messiah the Christ, Gods Only begotten Son. always promised and delivered as God is Fauithful.

God cannot die, Jesus died without Question. God is Spirit, Jesus assuredly came in the flesh. He was in God, He is Of God, God placed His spirit in the Womb of mary, and Jesus is Born from that momenbt until forever Jesus is the Christ, the Only begotten Son of God, thats Who came as Savior, thats who our Faith is in, God Loved us so much that He sacrificed His Only begotten Son. raised Him from the dead and then He did this

acts 2:22-24 ""Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it......

acts 2:32-35 "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

im done with this ongoing thing you cant seem to let Go, One scripture doesnt tell a story or make a message the Holy Bible is all about Jesus the Christ, the Son of the Living God, thats where your belief should be but thats on you.

now you show me One scripture saying that A believer needs to believe or confess the phrase " Jesus is God" im not asking to see what thomas said to Jesus im asking you to find 1 scripture that either says the phrase " unless you believe Jesus is God, another believer should Hound you for over a year because they believe a catholic explaination of what is plain, until then Have a good day and forget about discussing with others what i do, or dont Believe. I have just shown you less than Half of what i know is in scripture making this very clear, God Loves You and So Does His Only begotten Son, Jesus.

Grace777x70 · Aug 1, 2017

Here is a great article about forgiveness. It comes from an email I get every day called "Morning Love" by Ed Elliot. It is also called "Spiritual Coffee". I recommend people look into it.

Here is the website if interested. Bless you.

The Vagabond Evangelist

Today's "Morning Love".

Being bitter won't make you better.

Many years ago, I read a news story about a young girl who had been kidnapped and sexually attacked. Her hands and feet had been cut off and she was left for dead. She miraculously survived and the man was caught and sent to prison for his horrific crime.

Eighteen years later, this man was being paroled. The news media got wind of it and starting thinking it would make a great human interest story. They tracked down the girl who was now a married woman with children of her own and with cameras running they approached her front door.

When she answered, they delivered the news that the man who kidnapped and brutalized her was going to be set free! The cameras quickly zoomed in on her face, expecting to see a burst of emotional outrage and anger at hearing that this monster was going free, she calmly said, "eighteen years ago this man took thirty minutes of my life and I have decided not to give him one second more."

This lady was a believer and she made the decision to forgive the man who had maimed and violated her so terribly. If she hadn't, she would have also been in a prison but of a different kind.

Someone once said, "Harboring unforgiveness is like drinking poison and hoping your enemy will die!"

Unforgiveness poisons anyone who holds on to it causing them to become bitter; it is impossible to be bitter and get better at the same time!

Jesus said in Luke 4:18, that He came to heal the broken hearted. He still does that today His word declares He hasn't changed.

The love every believer possesses today is the very same love that forgave the entire world at the cross. God would never ask us to forgive if He hadn't equipped us with the ability to so. This same love can heal your broken heart and enable you to forgive the one who broke it.

Living in God's forgiveness is freedom; knowing how to forgive is freeing.

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32

sevenseas · Aug 1, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

and now the flip flop

please note I only bring attention to this flip flop (2 different stands on the same topic by the same person) because people tell him this is what he does and he denies it

so, here we have an example of what people mean when they tell him how he dodges and flips

DISCLAIMER: no malice, deceit or any other slanderous terminology is intended or portrayed by the poster

poster is not responsible for the flip flop of the quotes

you can't make this stuff up

Grace777x70 · Aug 1, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

To keep the slander down to a minimum - I will post again what I really said and it does not conflict with any other post.

We as Christians forgive from our heart because we are already forgiven in Christ.

Knowing that we are completely forgiven based on Christ's blood - this releases forgiveness in us. This is the same principle as knowing the love of God for us releases His love in us to manifest to others.

We love because He first loved us. We forgive because we are forgiven. It's the kingdom's way of being manifested in and through us.

Preach and teach Christians the grace and love of our Father and Lord for us and that we too have died with Christ and been raised to newness of life in Him and we will see the fruit of His life manifesting in all of us.

Thank you Lord Jesus!

followjesus · Aug 1, 2017

sevenseas said:

its the result of swallowing the Jim Jones coolaid. One who never flips or flops is Jesus Christ, thats why He is tells us again and again to abide In His Word, to Keep His word, Hear His Word, Obey His Word, its why He assures us He is the same yesteday today and forever, its why He is called the Light of the World, the Bright Morning star, why He says His Doctrine is that of God, why He says Hearing and Keeping Hois Word is the Foundation on which to build. to keep us safe in the Mind that our Lives are never lead astray in a different "Gospel" why He warned us that many false teachers would come, that many would claim to offer a different salvation, why His apostles all warned that it would get worse and worse. its Why We have the ot example of what happens when people begin explaining that God will never punish His elect, and begin teaching people that God is so Good, that Our ways and deeds Have no part in it.

false Doctrine is How satan Has worked from the start, the first time He convinces man that Gods Word just isnt for them or isnt true Man transgresses Gods Word of Life. false doctrine is why the World was flooded, its why all of the destruction came to israel time and time again, its why the priests and levites were no longwer acceptable to God, its why God would no longer receive thier burnt offerings and sacrifices, why Israel was led to babylon on captivity, why they were again conquered and ruled by Rome, its Why the apostles of the Lord warn and warn and warn to stick with the Gospel, to stay with the Words of God, to keep His commandments.........some refuse to accept that there are many many many false doctrines out there, Not of God because someone quotes a scripture or two and then explains How this refutes the rest. in reality a All false teachers have to quote scripture satan did it and so do the deceivers working in His spirit today. the diference is they cant see having no eyes to see because they refuse to Love the truth.

2 timothy 3 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.All Scripture is God-Breathed10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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