" Be not deceived" some scripture
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its amusing How everything has to be filtered through thier understanding, and that is what Hes always saying " listen to this preacher and hell tell you how to understand the words of Jesus......and at the same time, hell tell us of the magical spirit that teaches each operson and How " we dont need anyone to teach us we have the spirit" yet quite often He will explain this video will tell you how you need to view scripture"
i think that some folks are starting to see the gog for what it actually is. i know a person in real life who was bound up in this stuff used to have Long friendly discussion with Him. we stopped talking for about a year, He ended up cheating on His wife and is going through the process of divorce right now.
He contacted me a short time ago, and was telling Me " Man i have been studying the Gospel daily and i see what you mean about that doctrine its totally backwards to the Gospel." we talked awhile probably an hour or so and He asked my advice, to which i ahsred a bund=ch opf scriptures about repentance, about forgiveness and confession.
Just a few days ago He told me He talked with His wife told Her how wrong He was and How guilty He felt, explained to Her He couldnt make it right But He could promise to never do it again. and His wife and He both broke down and are Now discussing reconciliation. He was telling Me that since Hes been reading the gospel, its changed His whole view of Life, of Himself, and He will never get away from Learning from Jesus again, and that His wife and He attended church Last sunday together though they are still working things Out, was saying How they are feeling renewed in thier Love for each other and in thier freindship and things Like that.
He now is telling people about the things He is learning in the Gospel
i think that some folks are starting to see the gog for what it actually is. i know a person in real life who was bound up in this stuff used to have Long friendly discussion with Him. we stopped talking for about a year, He ended up cheating on His wife and is going through the process of divorce right now.
He contacted me a short time ago, and was telling Me " Man i have been studying the Gospel daily and i see what you mean about that doctrine its totally backwards to the Gospel." we talked awhile probably an hour or so and He asked my advice, to which i ahsred a bund=ch opf scriptures about repentance, about forgiveness and confession.
Just a few days ago He told me He talked with His wife told Her how wrong He was and How guilty He felt, explained to Her He couldnt make it right But He could promise to never do it again. and His wife and He both broke down and are Now discussing reconciliation. He was telling Me that since Hes been reading the gospel, its changed His whole view of Life, of Himself, and He will never get away from Learning from Jesus again, and that His wife and He attended church Last sunday together though they are still working things Out, was saying How they are feeling renewed in thier Love for each other and in thier freindship and things Like that.
He now is telling people about the things He is learning in the Gospel
This is confusing to me.
In the parable of the man who was forgiven his debt, it was AFTERWARDS that he ran into trouble.
It seems to me like you're saying...all that Jesus said before He died and rose again can be disregarded...
In the parable, his debt was forgiven. No mention is made of him having to forgive anyone first in order for his debt to be forgiven. The problem came for him AFTERWARDS, when he refused to forgive as he had been forgiven.
In the parable of the man who was forgiven his debt, it was AFTERWARDS that he ran into trouble.
It seems to me like you're saying...all that Jesus said before He died and rose again can be disregarded...
In the parable, his debt was forgiven. No mention is made of him having to forgive anyone first in order for his debt to be forgiven. The problem came for him AFTERWARDS, when he refused to forgive as he had been forgiven.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Jesus came to preach the kingdom of God,the New Testament,and this prayer applies to the manner they should pray in the New Testament,and if we do not forgive people of their trespasses against us,then we will not receive forgiveness,which God said,be ye holy,as I am holy,and Jesus said,be ye perfect,as your heavenly Father is perfect,and He forgives sins,so we forgive sins,and if we do not then we do not show the character of the Father.
Judge not lest you be not judged,is another example,for if you judge in a condemning manner,when you are a sinner yourself,and it is God that saved you,then that judgment will come back on you,and you will not be forgiven of your sin.
If you judge someone in a codemning manner for stealing,and you stole,then you will not be forgiven for stealing.
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
That is true,he was forgiven,but he did not forgive,and paid the price,so we must forgive if we have a grudge towards anybody,before we can be forgiven.
Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Jesus was preaching the ways of the kingdom of God that applies to the New Testament,but they want to say He is talking Old Testament to hang on to their beliefs,which is wrong.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Talking what applies to the New Testament.That is silly that Jesus would address them according to the Old Testament,when He came to preach the New Testament,and the kingdom of God.It does not matter if the New Covenant did not go in effect yet,Jesus was preaching the Gospel,and the kingdom of God,and things that apply to the New Testament.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Again Jesus is speaking what applies to the New Testament.
If you do not forgive then you will not be forgiven,and that is a New Testament principle.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Jesus came to preach the kingdom of God,the New Testament,and this prayer applies to the manner they should pray in the New Testament,and if we do not forgive people of their trespasses against us,then we will not receive forgiveness,which God said,be ye holy,as I am holy,and Jesus said,be ye perfect,as your heavenly Father is perfect,and He forgives sins,so we forgive sins,and if we do not then we do not show the character of the Father.
Judge not lest you be not judged,is another example,for if you judge in a condemning manner,when you are a sinner yourself,and it is God that saved you,then that judgment will come back on you,and you will not be forgiven of your sin.
If you judge someone in a codemning manner for stealing,and you stole,then you will not be forgiven for stealing.
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
That is true,he was forgiven,but he did not forgive,and paid the price,so we must forgive if we have a grudge towards anybody,before we can be forgiven.
Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Jesus was preaching the ways of the kingdom of God that applies to the New Testament,but they want to say He is talking Old Testament to hang on to their beliefs,which is wrong.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Talking what applies to the New Testament.That is silly that Jesus would address them according to the Old Testament,when He came to preach the New Testament,and the kingdom of God.It does not matter if the New Covenant did not go in effect yet,Jesus was preaching the Gospel,and the kingdom of God,and things that apply to the New Testament.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Again Jesus is speaking what applies to the New Testament.
If you do not forgive then you will not be forgiven,and that is a New Testament principle.
that is exactly right. Bruce does believe you can disregard the Gospel He thinks whatever was said before Jesus was crucified doesnt apply.
He misses the fact that the man in that parable was forgiven completely then He went out rejoicing, when He ran across one who owed Him, he refused to forgive and then is recalled to the King and He is furious because He forgave this man, and He refused to forgive the One who owed Him. even though He was forgiven in the beginning of the parable, He is then reinstated His debt and cast into the prison to be tortured until He can repay the debt ( which He cant ever pay)
its as simple as matthew 6:14-15 thats what that parable is about. Yes we forgive because were forgiven all we owe up to that point our past is forgiven by the blood on the cross all together all at once were forgiven completely, from that day forward we are forgiven if we forgive others when they sin against us. the gospel is based on " by the measure you use , it will be measured to you even Greater" were forgiven for all beforehand, and from then on we live in the Gospel How Jesus made clear.
amen matt thats exactly the truth, not only does Jesu word apply to the new testament, the new testament is founded upon His words thats the new covenant entirely. The epistles are like the prophets in the ot, they never changed any Laws, or erased even One principle they were exorting the people to repent and return to the Laws in obedience and they were promising the Mesiah and explaoining what He would mean when He came with the New covenant. Jesus is who the new covenant came through and everything He said is eternally valid and unchangable from the Moment He spoke it until eternity
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
that is the principle of the new coveanant How we treat others is How God will treat us but even Greater.
thank you for that great comment
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
that is the principle of the new coveanant How we treat others is How God will treat us but even Greater.
thank you for that great comment
amen to that, thats exactly the differece you have the ten commandments of God an outline of His character and nature desired of Us. then you have the Mosaic Law which condemns anyone who has transgressed it. they werent able to repent if one commited adultery they were immediately dragged before the people both the man and woman, and both were hit with jagged rocks by all until death. it didnt save them to say " I wont do it again i promise" even if they meant it, sin equals death. in the Law of moses did you Know that even if a person didnt Know what they were doing was wrong, that made no difference they were still Killed by command of God to Moses.
some sins small things were covered by sacrifice but many, many things were instant death Like if your son was rebellious and stubborn, you the parent were commanded By God to cast the first stone and then everyone joined in. it wasnt an option but the scripture says " surely they must be put to death, you must purge the sin from among you and all who see and Hear of this will fear and will not commit iniquity. God lived in the camp had a tent among the israelites and Our Holy God cant dwell among sin. it was for the good of the people that they werent all destroyed so the sinner paid the price and the people both accused , witnessed and Judgedm then they carried out the sentance of death.
that is why the Mosaic Law is called the ministry of condemnation. it was the regulations of worship based on the commandments. the ministry of the Law. the ten commandments remain, Now However the Mosaic Law of condemnation , Has been removed because if it hadnt been None of us would survive we have transgressed at some point. Jesus died for this purpose
Hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Thats why He died because already any sinner which is all of us was excluded based not on the commandments but on the first covenant ministration of the commandments. the Law of Moses. that demanded death to sinners, so Jesus died for the sinner condemned under the Mosaic Laws and ordinances.
if a christian sins the sacrifice is still valid, but we have to repent according to Jesus Gospel which is that new covenant that He mediated. a mediator is one who is between two parties that have been seperated by a disagreement. His death covered Bringing us into relationship with God and is still our sacrificial system But we repent and then based on His sacrifice were forgiven and also based on the new covenant principle of " forgive and you will be forgiven"
its not as if once we come to Jesus, Now one sin and were Lost without Hope, its Just that repentance is a part of the New covenant. and if we do not repent Knowing were sinning then at that Point were in desperate need of true repentance. if we will Just accept the 4 gospels and abide in those principles we will be more than Okay but we cant disregard Gods Law. or any of the Gospel if we Just follow Jesus Lead as if He is Our Lord in truth the commandments will be Kept and He will purify us from all unrighteousness. it takes time and persevereance and were accountable for what we Know. we Keep in step with that and were Home free. and as we do this it becomes easy, natural because there is true Power in believing Gods Word. it has the power to change us when we believe especially those things we personally dont agree with. that shows us instantly that were wrong in our thinking because we Know Jesus is Right. that shouldnt even be an issue for a christian " whos right? Jesus" if i disagree i need to accept His idea and change My mind because Gods word will never change, but it will save those who heed it
some sins small things were covered by sacrifice but many, many things were instant death Like if your son was rebellious and stubborn, you the parent were commanded By God to cast the first stone and then everyone joined in. it wasnt an option but the scripture says " surely they must be put to death, you must purge the sin from among you and all who see and Hear of this will fear and will not commit iniquity. God lived in the camp had a tent among the israelites and Our Holy God cant dwell among sin. it was for the good of the people that they werent all destroyed so the sinner paid the price and the people both accused , witnessed and Judgedm then they carried out the sentance of death.
that is why the Mosaic Law is called the ministry of condemnation. it was the regulations of worship based on the commandments. the ministry of the Law. the ten commandments remain, Now However the Mosaic Law of condemnation , Has been removed because if it hadnt been None of us would survive we have transgressed at some point. Jesus died for this purpose
Hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Thats why He died because already any sinner which is all of us was excluded based not on the commandments but on the first covenant ministration of the commandments. the Law of Moses. that demanded death to sinners, so Jesus died for the sinner condemned under the Mosaic Laws and ordinances.
if a christian sins the sacrifice is still valid, but we have to repent according to Jesus Gospel which is that new covenant that He mediated. a mediator is one who is between two parties that have been seperated by a disagreement. His death covered Bringing us into relationship with God and is still our sacrificial system But we repent and then based on His sacrifice were forgiven and also based on the new covenant principle of " forgive and you will be forgiven"
its not as if once we come to Jesus, Now one sin and were Lost without Hope, its Just that repentance is a part of the New covenant. and if we do not repent Knowing were sinning then at that Point were in desperate need of true repentance. if we will Just accept the 4 gospels and abide in those principles we will be more than Okay but we cant disregard Gods Law. or any of the Gospel if we Just follow Jesus Lead as if He is Our Lord in truth the commandments will be Kept and He will purify us from all unrighteousness. it takes time and persevereance and were accountable for what we Know. we Keep in step with that and were Home free. and as we do this it becomes easy, natural because there is true Power in believing Gods Word. it has the power to change us when we believe especially those things we personally dont agree with. that shows us instantly that were wrong in our thinking because we Know Jesus is Right. that shouldnt even be an issue for a christian " whos right? Jesus" if i disagree i need to accept His idea and change My mind because Gods word will never change, but it will save those who heed it
The ten commandments cover the 2 greatest laws,do not offend God,do not offend people.
Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,and that is the laws of love,moral laws.
Even though it is the Old Testament with the physical laws,and physical ordinances,the spiritual laws were still there,but the people could not receive the Spirit.
In the New Testament we can receive the Spirit,so we can establish the law,by obeying the spiritual law of the Old Testament,and in the New it takes it to a greater degree of love towards people,for in the Old they could war,in the New we cannot,physical blessings in the Old,in the New we go by our needs,and help the poor when we can.
Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,and that is the laws of love,moral laws.
Even though it is the Old Testament with the physical laws,and physical ordinances,the spiritual laws were still there,but the people could not receive the Spirit.
In the New Testament we can receive the Spirit,so we can establish the law,by obeying the spiritual law of the Old Testament,and in the New it takes it to a greater degree of love towards people,for in the Old they could war,in the New we cannot,physical blessings in the Old,in the New we go by our needs,and help the poor when we can.
Im Glad you found some Value sister, it is My Hope that at some point we can all look to each others posts Here and find some value to gleen from them. or some form of benifit or growth or confirmation.
a place Like this could be of immense value to all of us if we could get around letting the devil create battles and all find an opening and understanding that Gods Design os to come together to grow in Our knowledge and understanding not of what i say, you say ot the other Guy says but of Gods Word.
God bless and Keep you securely in the things of Jesus Christ until we are Home together One sweet and glorious day !!!
a place Like this could be of immense value to all of us if we could get around letting the devil create battles and all find an opening and understanding that Gods Design os to come together to grow in Our knowledge and understanding not of what i say, you say ot the other Guy says but of Gods Word.
God bless and Keep you securely in the things of Jesus Christ until we are Home together One sweet and glorious day !!!
yes Matt that again is great stuff thank you for sharing that. Jesus is actually teaching what God would have said if those at Horeb hadnt feared His Word. they saw it as " we will die if God speaks any more to us" so they begged and pleaded with Moses to tell God not to speak directly to them any More. the reason is what you are saying they were sinners By spirit in thier Heart they didnt want to Know Gods Ways, they heard Just the commandments from God and it put fear in them because they desired those things He was saying dont do these things.
Jesus is a furtherance of the commandments, He is telling us on one hand How to keep the commandments such as " thou shalt not commit adultery" <<< Notice its dont actually do it. Jesus then teaches us what causes us to do it, which is Lust in our Heart and teaches us if we refuse the Lust inside that fight is Won because we will never even consider adultery, its root is lust in the Heart. its How the Gospel works. and then More wonderful Jesus teaches us not only How to Keep those commandments but How to purify Our Hearts and really Live as Children of God. He teaches us further what TO do. such as you are saying there caring for the needy as we are able, Goind out of our way to Help someone in thier trouble Like the good samaritan did, the priests walked on by on the other side ofthe road, but Jesus teaches to go out of our way if we see someone in trouble or need or in a terrible circumstance.
In doping the actions it changes our hearts to those who desire those good things and not the forbidden things. i think what im also seing in your words is things in the Law like the sacrifice, the priesthood ordinances, and such are fulfilled By Jesus now and i agree with that also. the priest in the ot bore the sins of the people, He offered the sacrifice, He shed the blood of atonement, He transferred the sins onto the scapegoat all the things like that in the mosaic law are fulfilled in Jesus. the whole law of moses is very valuable to us even now because it helps understand all Jesus means for us. Much much more than Just a sacrifice He is our everything.
the morality of the Law also is of great value for instance in the nt were told " sexual immorality is forbidden" yet we have no explaination of exactly what is sexually moral, and immoral. so the morality things in the Law is there to teach us right and wrong in Gods eyes we still need that also in order to Grow in righteousness and reoent of things we dont even Know as of now. as we Learn more and more and willingly surrender to Jesus, we will want to Know Gods ways all of them.
Jesus also fulfils the passover, the 7 feasts, He is the promised King of Gods choosing in the Law, so many things Like that are pre cursors or foreshadows of what the messiah would really mean to us. thank you for the insight always like to read your posts they are ALWAYS full of great scriupture and you seem to moist always have really sound things to add also.
God bless you and keep you bro
Jesus is a furtherance of the commandments, He is telling us on one hand How to keep the commandments such as " thou shalt not commit adultery" <<< Notice its dont actually do it. Jesus then teaches us what causes us to do it, which is Lust in our Heart and teaches us if we refuse the Lust inside that fight is Won because we will never even consider adultery, its root is lust in the Heart. its How the Gospel works. and then More wonderful Jesus teaches us not only How to Keep those commandments but How to purify Our Hearts and really Live as Children of God. He teaches us further what TO do. such as you are saying there caring for the needy as we are able, Goind out of our way to Help someone in thier trouble Like the good samaritan did, the priests walked on by on the other side ofthe road, but Jesus teaches to go out of our way if we see someone in trouble or need or in a terrible circumstance.
In doping the actions it changes our hearts to those who desire those good things and not the forbidden things. i think what im also seing in your words is things in the Law like the sacrifice, the priesthood ordinances, and such are fulfilled By Jesus now and i agree with that also. the priest in the ot bore the sins of the people, He offered the sacrifice, He shed the blood of atonement, He transferred the sins onto the scapegoat all the things like that in the mosaic law are fulfilled in Jesus. the whole law of moses is very valuable to us even now because it helps understand all Jesus means for us. Much much more than Just a sacrifice He is our everything.
the morality of the Law also is of great value for instance in the nt were told " sexual immorality is forbidden" yet we have no explaination of exactly what is sexually moral, and immoral. so the morality things in the Law is there to teach us right and wrong in Gods eyes we still need that also in order to Grow in righteousness and reoent of things we dont even Know as of now. as we Learn more and more and willingly surrender to Jesus, we will want to Know Gods ways all of them.
Jesus also fulfils the passover, the 7 feasts, He is the promised King of Gods choosing in the Law, so many things Like that are pre cursors or foreshadows of what the messiah would really mean to us. thank you for the insight always like to read your posts they are ALWAYS full of great scriupture and you seem to moist always have really sound things to add also.
God bless you and keep you bro
Im sure going to do my best and i bet God will make it enjoyable !!! I hoe the same for you, and thats Just it sister all of us need growth oin some area, myself included. its all about accepting that and pressing foreward in the Joy of what is ahead !!! Press on and enjoy each day as best you can, when things are tough, praise God that its not permanent and that it is working for our good !!!
hope to have some further communication with you and God blessssss you and yours !
hope to have some further communication with you and God blessssss you and yours !
I honestly agree with you. But this is what the “Law” does for me… I can measure my love for my Lord and neighbor by it. My father is 80 years old. That man can ride my …. And I grumble. People in general, the guy that cuts me off on the road, the girl supervisor I have and I think she is one nasty person, and I grumble… Sometimes, I think about one of my sisters, a heathen, no matter what she does she come up smelling like roses, trust me ungodly stuff, and I grumble… not in one of these scenarios, that are sad but true, have I put G-d first. Every one of these people are His creation, His love and when I grumble I basically told Him He either screwed up with them or with me because I am not walking in the peace that passes all understanding, the joy of the Lord is not filling my heart… something went wrong… maybe I should be honoring my father, maybe I should not murder my co-worker (since Y-shua took murder to a whole new level) and think about what a (bad word) I think she is, and maybe I should not be coveting what my sister has. If I can learn to do these things then I just might love my neighbor as myself. I admit crucifying my flesh daily is not my strong soot… heck half of the time I don’t see my flesh unless I’m looking at the Law, then I find true freedom. Only in Him, because of Him can I even start to keep it… Old and New Testament Law….. love the Lord with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself then you keep the Law…
No, I am not saying that "all words" can be dis-regarded. That's the way some people think what is being said. Which is not true at all.
What is "really" being said is - we need to rightly divide all scripture through the finished works of Christ and not mix up the covenants.
Do you go to the priest to show him that you are healed now? Of course not. Do you tell people in order to be saved that they keep the law of Moses? Of course not.
Some people say that people are dis-regarding all the words of Jesus ( which is a complete falsehood ) in order to malign what is really being said.
So, the words of Jesus as well as all scripture needs to be viewed through Christ alone. I understand that this will sometimes "conflict" with our religious church teachings and cause some confusion and in some people they feel it is now their right to slander others because of it. It's just the flesh acting up. It happens to all of us.
As per the parable you mentioned. Here is a great example of Jesus preaching the need for a new heart.
If us Christians still think we have an evil heart - we have missed the true Christian life and we are ignorant of the new creation in Christ and we will remain a baby Christian all our lives.
The parable of the unforgiven servant in which the kingdom of heaven "may be compared to".... Matthew 18
We need to read all scripture in context of the finished work of Christ and what He did on the cross. To say that our sins are not forgiven in the believer after the cross is NOT the gospel.
We will forgive because we are in Christ now and have His nature in us - we need to have our minds renewed to this truth and we will walk in it.
Matt 18:35 says that God will not forgive unless you forgive from your heart.
This was Jesus giving them the law. Moses 2.0 as it shows their need for a Savior in order for Jesus to create in them a new heart that loves and forgives just like their Father does in Jesus.
Love always forgives - it's in our nature now because we are in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
We have a new heart now - so we can't really have unforgiveness in our hearts anymore which is why Jesus said ....
"If you do not forgive from your heart" ....this is to expose their need for a new heart which always forgives.
Acts 15:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
We love now from our new hearts in Christ and our hearts cannot sin. So Jesus's verse above in Matthew 18 would not apply to the person in Christ as it is impossible for them to have sin in their heart and to not forgive. We have the very nature of God inside us now - righteousness and holiness.
Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We need to preach and teach the true gospel of the grace of Christ so that the believer in Christ can grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus and walk out who they already are in their inner man - the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
When we see Christ as in a mirror - we see true selves being reflected back and the Holy Spirit transforms us outwardly to reflect Christ that is in us now. 2 Cor 3:17-18
What is "really" being said is - we need to rightly divide all scripture through the finished works of Christ and not mix up the covenants.
Do you go to the priest to show him that you are healed now? Of course not. Do you tell people in order to be saved that they keep the law of Moses? Of course not.
Some people say that people are dis-regarding all the words of Jesus ( which is a complete falsehood ) in order to malign what is really being said.
So, the words of Jesus as well as all scripture needs to be viewed through Christ alone. I understand that this will sometimes "conflict" with our religious church teachings and cause some confusion and in some people they feel it is now their right to slander others because of it. It's just the flesh acting up. It happens to all of us.
As per the parable you mentioned. Here is a great example of Jesus preaching the need for a new heart.
If us Christians still think we have an evil heart - we have missed the true Christian life and we are ignorant of the new creation in Christ and we will remain a baby Christian all our lives.
The parable of the unforgiven servant in which the kingdom of heaven "may be compared to".... Matthew 18
We need to read all scripture in context of the finished work of Christ and what He did on the cross. To say that our sins are not forgiven in the believer after the cross is NOT the gospel.
We will forgive because we are in Christ now and have His nature in us - we need to have our minds renewed to this truth and we will walk in it.
Matt 18:35 says that God will not forgive unless you forgive from your heart.
This was Jesus giving them the law. Moses 2.0 as it shows their need for a Savior in order for Jesus to create in them a new heart that loves and forgives just like their Father does in Jesus.
Love always forgives - it's in our nature now because we are in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
We have a new heart now - so we can't really have unforgiveness in our hearts anymore which is why Jesus said ....
"If you do not forgive from your heart" ....this is to expose their need for a new heart which always forgives.
Acts 15:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
We love now from our new hearts in Christ and our hearts cannot sin. So Jesus's verse above in Matthew 18 would not apply to the person in Christ as it is impossible for them to have sin in their heart and to not forgive. We have the very nature of God inside us now - righteousness and holiness.
Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We need to preach and teach the true gospel of the grace of Christ so that the believer in Christ can grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus and walk out who they already are in their inner man - the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
When we see Christ as in a mirror - we see true selves being reflected back and the Holy Spirit transforms us outwardly to reflect Christ that is in us now. 2 Cor 3:17-18
This as usual is a complete lie. I wish you would stop being deceitful and begin to be at the very least honest with what is truly said. No matter how many times the truth of what is really being said is - you continue to be deceitful and lie about it.
I no more believe we can dis-regard the gospel than Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.
In fact I am constantly trying to get "unbelieving believers" to believe the gospel message of what Christ has already done on the cross and resurrection. The gospel message is - "your sins have been forgiven". You are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
You should stop this type of behavior Jason as it is really going to destroy your life on this earth. We need you in the body of Christ and if you continue to behave this way - you will have much trouble.
The Lord will be faithful to you to reveal His true self and the beauty and majesty of His finished work on your behalf.
I encourage you to believe in the gospel message of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
The Lord bless you. All is well...
I no more believe we can dis-regard the gospel than Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.
In fact I am constantly trying to get "unbelieving believers" to believe the gospel message of what Christ has already done on the cross and resurrection. The gospel message is - "your sins have been forgiven". You are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
You should stop this type of behavior Jason as it is really going to destroy your life on this earth. We need you in the body of Christ and if you continue to behave this way - you will have much trouble.
The Lord will be faithful to you to reveal His true self and the beauty and majesty of His finished work on your behalf.
I encourage you to believe in the gospel message of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
The Lord bless you. All is well...
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That is true. When I grumble and complain and lose my temper about any circumstance of my day, it is actually unbelief and, as you say, telling God I do not like the way He's doing it. If I have a flat tire and I get all worked up about it, I am in unbelief that He is guiding my steps or is putting the people in front of me that He has chosen. Maybe...He gave me the flat tire to save me from an accident that would kill me before my appointed time, who knows?
You need to give bruce a chance to explain what he meant. You can't just throw out accusations at the drop of a hat.
I actually think I understand what he meant now.
When I see my unforgiveness, it makes me rush to Him and ask for what I need. I went the route for many years of just trying harder and harder to do what I knew I was supposed to do (forgive and not hold a grudge) and it didn't work for any great period of time until another person came along and p'd me off.
I actually think I understand what he meant now.
When I see my unforgiveness, it makes me rush to Him and ask for what I need. I went the route for many years of just trying harder and harder to do what I knew I was supposed to do (forgive and not hold a grudge) and it didn't work for any great period of time until another person came along and p'd me off.