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When non Christians, or new Christians come in here, see the strife and leave, do they turn their backs on Jesus? Or do they turn their backs on this site?
I prefer open discussion and debate without the anger and name-calling that takes place. The name-calling is designed to inflame the emotions. The topic is then derailed. Sometimes others join in the despicable behavior.
I serve in the infants room at church. Sometimes we have all the infants crying at the same time. It starts with one crying, then another joins in, and soon all are crying. No consoling them. Sometimes when that happens I think "Is this what we sound like to Father?"
It's kind of funny ... but sad at the same time because a child of God has so much to offer to those who are suffering (without God and without hope). And we get sidetracked because we won't (not can't) control our emotions.
I think of the record in Luke 2 when Jesus was 12 years old and He remained in Jerusalem while His parents traveled back to Galilee, thinking that Jesus was with them. When they realized He was not with the group, they went back and found Him in the Temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, hearing them and asking questions. His mother told Him they had been looking for Him. His response was "know ye not that I must be about my Father's business".
That is what we are to be about --- our Father's business. Is it our Father's business to berate each other?
I prefer open discussion and debate without the anger and name-calling that takes place. The name-calling is designed to inflame the emotions. The topic is then derailed. Sometimes others join in the despicable behavior.
I serve in the infants room at church. Sometimes we have all the infants crying at the same time. It starts with one crying, then another joins in, and soon all are crying. No consoling them. Sometimes when that happens I think "Is this what we sound like to Father?"
It's kind of funny ... but sad at the same time because a child of God has so much to offer to those who are suffering (without God and without hope). And we get sidetracked because we won't (not can't) control our emotions.
I think of the record in Luke 2 when Jesus was 12 years old and He remained in Jerusalem while His parents traveled back to Galilee, thinking that Jesus was with them. When they realized He was not with the group, they went back and found Him in the Temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, hearing them and asking questions. His mother told Him they had been looking for Him. His response was "know ye not that I must be about my Father's business".
That is what we are to be about --- our Father's business. Is it our Father's business to berate each other?
By the grace of God and His help, preaching the gospel is not all we are to do, but to make disciples of other saved believers to keep the faith which is the good fight.
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.[SUP]5 [/SUP]But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.[SUP]7 [/SUP]I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.[SUP]5 [/SUP]But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.[SUP]7 [/SUP]I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
LOL I made the same mistake the first time I read it, but I like to read one version then read it again in another version or three. I caught it that way. I think in the CJB.
Knowing the Jewish love of debate, there probably was some going on there too. But it says he powerfully put the message across. In spite of?
I started a church one time, (not intentionally) I encouraged people to say, "How does that line up with verse------ " if they heard something they did not understand or something they disagreed with. This would force the speaker to dig deeper and learn, or to explain deeper so others could learn. I was the leader put everybody was pastor, everybody preached in turn. On different days of course
Knowing the Jewish love of debate, there probably was some going on there too. But it says he powerfully put the message across. In spite of?
I started a church one time, (not intentionally) I encouraged people to say, "How does that line up with verse------ " if they heard something they did not understand or something they disagreed with. This would force the speaker to dig deeper and learn, or to explain deeper so others could learn. I was the leader put everybody was pastor, everybody preached in turn. On different days of course
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I get where you are coming from, but are missing the out on the positives of debating. Set aside it is just fun. Debating either makes a person stranger in their resolve or makes them change their mind. The Scripture says it is useful to teach and rebuke. Iron sharpens iron. Exegeses is how you weed out false doctrine.
It is not wrong to debate the Word of G-d. I would not be here today if I would have not listened to Dr. Michael Brown’s debates against some of the greatest Rabbis. Even the Scripture demands us to be able to give an answer. It is wrong when we get nasty that is the flesh. But sometimes you got to call a spade a spade or an idiot an idiot…lol just joking… kind of…. Lol…
Debate should drawl us to pray and search the Scripture. The point is debate is good you will either end up knowing beyond knowing you are right in your position, or you will see where you error and change your mind.
It is not wrong to debate the Word of G-d. I would not be here today if I would have not listened to Dr. Michael Brown’s debates against some of the greatest Rabbis. Even the Scripture demands us to be able to give an answer. It is wrong when we get nasty that is the flesh. But sometimes you got to call a spade a spade or an idiot an idiot…lol just joking… kind of…. Lol…
Debate should drawl us to pray and search the Scripture. The point is debate is good you will either end up knowing beyond knowing you are right in your position, or you will see where you error and change your mind.
If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.…
Some debate happens on this basis. Someone is wronged
and the other denies it. That is usually when it gets heated.
Some debate happens on this basis. Someone is wronged
and the other denies it. That is usually when it gets heated.
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And then we have Romans 14 where Paul tells us not to argue over disputes. One Christian observes Sabbath and another doesn't. One is a vegetarian while another isn't. We are specifically told to stop creating factions based on these things. If someone is minding their own business and I have no specific evidence that they are in sin, I'm forbidden to pick a fight with them.