New world order Bible Versions (NIV ESV NKJV etc)

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John146 said:
I would never argue that the gospel can be found in the new versions. That's not the debate. The debate is whether or not the new versions can be trusted completely concerning all truth God has for us.
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And by "all truth" you mean some numbers etc? No, no version can be trusted in every word. And surelly not the KJV.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I dont see any difference between the word of God and the Word of God, both are the spirit of Christ.
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The Word of God is a person of deity, Jesus Christ, the Son.

The word of God is some message or revelation given by God to some being.
 
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trofimus said:
The Word of God is a person of deity, Jesus Christ, the Son.

The word of God is some message or revelation given by God to some being.
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I guess the words are just words but the spirit behind the words is where the spirit of Christ is found. Only a few people can see this because it can only be seen through 100% faith in the words.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I guess the words are just words but the spirit behind the words is where the spirit of Christ is found. Only a few people can see this because it can only be seen through 100% faith in the words.
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I do not know, I feel some KJV ideology behind this.
 
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trofimus said:
And by "all truth" you mean some numbers etc? No, no version can be trusted in every word. And surelly not the KJV.
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Finally, you said it. We do not have access to all truth. There is no Bible we can completely trust to tell us the truth.

ps: Don't let the world know this.
 
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trofimus said:
I do not know, I feel some KJV ideology behind this.
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I would think that someone who fluently reads Greek And Hebrew could see the spirit of Christ behind the text. Jesus ways are no different today than they were before.
 
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John146 said:
Finally, you said it. We do not have access to all truth. There is no Bible we can completely trust to tell us the truth.

ps: Don't let the world know this.
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The problem is that by "all truth" you mean something else than the rest of us. World is irrelevant.

Also, Bible is not our God, its only a useful tool. Do not expect it to be as perfect as only God is.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I would think that someone who fluently reads Greek And Hebrew could see the spirit of Christ behind the text. Jesus ways are no different today than they were before.
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The Spirit is not in the book, but in us. Thats why we respond positively to what we read.

If you mean me, then no, I do not read Hebrew at all and Greek... not very fluently, more like 12 years old child :)
 
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trofimus said:
The problem is that by "all truth" you mean something else than the rest of us. World is irrelevant.

Also, Bible is not our God, its only a useful tool. Do not expect it to be as perfect as only God is.
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The words we read and the people that we learn from DIRECTLY form our version of Christ. So the words really do matter.
 
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trofimus said:
The Spirit is not in the book, but in us. Thats why we respond positively to what we read.

If you mean me, then no, I do not read Hebrew at all and Greek... not very fluently, more like 12 years old child :)
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Come talk to me about this after you believe every word is right and then your arguments would be valid having experienced it.
 
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John146 said:
Finally, you said it. We do not have access to all truth. There is no Bible we can completely trust to tell us the truth.

ps: Don't let the world know this.
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Jesus is Truth and we have access to Him always.
 
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KJV1611 said:
The words we read and the people that we learn from DIRECTLY form our version of Christ. So the words really do matter.
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Not always. What matters are spiritual truths. Not geographical data, numbers of people, one or two angels in the tomb etc.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Come talk to me about this after you believe every word is right and then your arguments would be valid having experienced it.
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Do not make your Bible your idol. Its Spirit who gives life, not words. Scriptures are useful, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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trofimus said:
The problem is that by "all truth" you mean something else than the rest of us. World is irrelevant.

Also, Bible is not our God, its only a useful tool. Do not expect it to be as perfect as only God is.
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If God's word can't be trusted, then God can't be trusted.

If your word can't be trusted, should I trust you?
 
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FlSnookman7 said:
Jesus is Truth and we have access to Him always.
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Example: What truth do we have when it comes to homosexuality? If what we believe comes from a bible that cannot be trusted, then we have no standard to live by.
 
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trofimus said:
Do not make your Bible your idol. Its Spirit who gives life, not words. Scriptures are useful, nothing more, nothing less.
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With that attitude, then it's not a big deal for a believer to obey Scripture. Just do your own thing. Follow Jesus, but that's not necessarily following His word. That's insane.
 
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Muzungu256 said:
Remember the Word is Jesus, not the bible. Controversial, but true statement. Watch my new typing style, no more dots people have complained about that to me im trying to learn how to type proper :D
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I agree. And good luck to learning new typing habits, perfection is not needed but somewhat proper typing helps follow along and makes your post look more serious.
 
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John146 said:
If God's word can't be trusted, then God can't be trusted.

If your word can't be trusted, should I trust you?
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Again you are making the mistake and using Bible and God´s word as synonyms. They are not.

God´s word is a message or information from God.
Scriptures are written books or letters by people and inspired by God.
Bible is a library, a compilation of various editions of Scriptures. Made by people.

You cannot trust your Bible in every word. Some Bibles are very good, some are very bad, the KJV is so-so.
 
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John146 said:
With that attitude, then it's not a big deal for a believer to obey Scripture. Just do your own thing. Follow Jesus, but that's not necessarily following His word. That's insane.
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Again you are making a mistake by using words of Jesus and your Bible edition as synonyms. They are not. You have only a translation of selected manuscripts.

And yes, Scriptures are "only" useful. Bible is not our God. Its our tool. We live by Spirit, not by any material thing.
 
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