Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017

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posthuman

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Blain said:
You can only see it in Jerusalem
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where do you get that idea?

anyhow,

livecam from Jersualem:

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/israel/jerusalem-district/jerusalem/western-wall.html

no one seems to be looking up, amazed..
because it's the same thing.
sun in the sky, absolutely drowning out whatever arrangement of stars & planets there are. and at night, as i'm sure we're all aware, the sun won't be up. therefore the whole "sign" won't be visible, because the sun is an integral part of what's described in Revelation 12.

((among the many other objections))
 
Blain

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posthuman said:
where do you get that idea?

anyhow,

livecam from Jersualem:

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/israel/jerusalem-district/jerusalem/western-wall.html

no one seems to be looking up, amazed..
because it's the same thing.
sun in the sky, absolutely drowning out whatever arrangement of stars & planets there are. and at night, as i'm sure we're all aware, the sun won't be up. therefore the whole "sign" won't be visible, because the sun is an integral part of what's described in Revelation 12.

((among the many other objections))
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Well supposedly it will begin as a partial eclipse and going into a full one through out three hours but maybe everyone was wrong it wouldn't really surprise me
 
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Blain said:
Well supposedly it will begin as a partial eclipse and going into a full one through out three hours but maybe everyone was wrong it wouldn't really surprise me
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usually well every time in History when man comes up with a date, a theory, a measurement or they have revelation "figured out" its been wrong so id agree with that sentance. Like a thief in the Night...as in the days of Noah..unexpectedly, No one Knoweth the day or Hour, not the Son but only the Father"

In the late 70s a guy convinced hundreds of People to sell all they owned but rvs and follow Him into the desert because His prophecy was that the signs were all aligned........well, a year or so Later the people returned to thier city to find thier Houses sold to others, thier Jobs taken By others, and a false Hope breaks something in us when we believe and it turns out false it hurts our ability to really trust. thats why we should stick to Gods Word, Prayer, and diligence
 
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In all truth how would any of you even know if Revelation 12 occurred today or not? I say this to be at least fair to both sides in this.

So in Revelation 12 it states that the devil was poised to devour the man child and not that today he was suppose to do that. It states that a place was prepared in the wilderness and that this is where she fled to for protection,

It states that the devil and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven and into the earth and says "woe to the earth" as if something might be about to take place but if you think about it it does not say that he would do anything today,but instead that he was "poised".

I would suppose that if these things were accomplished in the past then the thread would be flooded with examples of their fulfilments but it is not.

All of the astronomical subjects are still in the midst of their fulfilment of the will of God today, 9/23/2013,,, and to be frank I cannot see that if today was of any other significance other than yesterday.

At he same time if the devil and his angels were cast out of heaven and into the earth as Revelation 12 states and the woman flees into the wilderness and is protected then who can say if it did not occur today or not?

As I stated before,,,does it seem as though anyone understands?
 
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So anybody got a clue,the devil is bound and cast into the pit until after the mill. as if he was cast out of heaven back then? Now again if not then when did it happen after Revelation 12 I would suppose but now or then is the (?),,,
 
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Hmmm,then Revelation 12 obviously takes place before the mill,,,
 
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Notwithstanding the possibility of a certain arrangement of stars in the heavens --- I do not believe that the prophecy of Revelation 12 has any connection to / with today.

I am thinking that Revelation 12 depicts a broad historical view of past events.
 
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GaryA said:
Notwithstanding the possibility of a certain arrangement of stars in the heavens --- I do not believe that the prophecy of Revelation 12 has any connection to / with today.

I am thinking that Revelation 12 depicts a broad historical view of past events.
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Which past events though,,the exact alignment of stars and planets occurred today,9/23/2017,and in 1827,1483,1293 and 1056 but shhh,lol don’t tell anyone...
 
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I presently see it this way:

The woman represents Israel.

The child represents Christ.

The dragon represents Satan.

The end of Revelation 12:5 refers to the resurrection of Christ.

The woman fleeing into the wilderness refers to 70-73 A.D.

While Revelation 12:10 "sounds" like it could be associated with the End Times Scenario, its connection and timing with regard to other details in the passage would place it at the time of the resurrection of Christ.

The end of Revelation 12:13 does not seem likely to indicate a future point in time.

The phrase "and went to make war with the remnant of her seed" in Revelation 12:17 does not seem likely to indicate a future point in time.

I don't see how any of Revelation 12 could be talking about future events since the first beast of Revelation 13 represents the rise of the Holy Roman Empire and its reign during the Dark Ages.
 
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GaryA said:
The woman fleeing into the wilderness refers to 70-73 A.D.
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ was written >90 AD, (96 AD after Domitian was assassinated in September of that year) and John was released from Patmos and went back to Ephesus, so it is hard to see how the fulfillment of this prophecy (the woman fleeing into the wilderness) occurred 70-73 AD, even more so when the city of Jerusalem was ransacked and burnt in the summer of 70 AD by Titus!

(Rev 1v19: "...and the things which shall be hereafter." with Rev 4v1: "After this...")

Our Lord puts everything after Rev 4v1 in the furure!
 
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GaryA said:
I presently see it this way:

The woman represents Israel.

The child represents Christ.

The dragon represents Satan.

The end of Revelation 12:5 refers to the resurrection of Christ.

The woman fleeing into the wilderness refers to 70-73 A.D.

While Revelation 12:10 "sounds" like it could be associated with the End Times Scenario, its connection and timing with regard to other details in the passage would place it at the time of the resurrection of Christ.

The end of Revelation 12:13 does not seem likely to indicate a future point in time.

The phrase "and went to make war with the remnant of her seed" in Revelation 12:17 does not seem likely to indicate a future point in time.

I don't see how any of Revelation 12 could be talking about future events since the first beast of Revelation 13 represents the rise of the Holy Roman Empire and its reign during the Dark Ages.
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The woman represents the chaste virgin bride the church in respect to the new name he named the born again Israel....(Christian) .Not all is Israel are born again believers just as all who take on the name Christian .The angel will divide between a outward Jew born of the flesh and a inward Jew born of the Spirit.



John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 
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iamsoandso said:
So anybody got a clue,the devil is bound and cast into the pit until after the mill. as if he was cast out of heaven back then? Now again if not then when did it happen after Revelation 12 I would suppose but now or then is the (?),,,
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Satan is bound before the millennium and then released again for a short time is my understanding of what I read.
Good morning, by the way. :)
 
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Rats! It's September 24th. It looks like all of us missed the Rapture. ☺
 
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You guys are funny. :) I don't think anyone here said the rapture was going to be yesterday. (If they did, I missed the post). What I got is just that they wondered if there might be some significance.
 
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Ok, I've been raptured and am back to teach you guys all sound doctrine...so y'all better listen up....

just kidding
 
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...well it looks like I brought my tomato plants inside, ate the dog, and shaved my family for nothing. Thanks a lot Scottie Clarke and the other moronic date setters!
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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Last night he was called "supper"

*rimshot*
 
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