Has anyone heard of Ravi Zacharias?

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graceNpeace

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Speak2Me said:
You didn't watch the video, did you? I thought as much. BTW, if anyone wants to find out more, just google "Doctor Ravi Zacharias" with quotes, and you will find what you're looking for.
Now, graceNpeace, since you decided not to be polite about it, I'm putting you on ignore. You can rant all you want, but I don't have to look at it.
May the Lord lead you by His Spirit & show you His ways.:)
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You know you are making very silly assertions - I DID watch the video - that is why I said what I said with some confidence...
Your self-righteous indignation might make for good politics but it doesn't make your point!
 
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You know you are making very silly assertions - I DID watch the video - that is why I said what I said with some confidence...
Your self-righteous indignation might make for good politics but it doesn't make your point!
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Assumptions make people make a fool of themselves. Even politicians are better than that. Lol.
 
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Oh my, I guess I do need to get my facts straight! After all, I do aim to please.

[video=youtube;I0tbgF7U1iw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tbgF7U1iw[/video]

There, is that straight enough for you, sir?
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Where did you find that trash; and why do you feel you have the right to inflict it on anybody else?

Anybody can lie about anybody and usually get away with it because libel suits are costly and time consuming.

the fact that someone made an ugly slanderous video does NOT entitle the perpetrator to credibility.

I didn't see the perpetrator even identify himself.
 
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Where did you find that trash; and why do you feel you have the right to inflict it on anybody else?

Anybody can lie about anybody and usually get away with it because libel suits are costly and time consuming.

the fact that someone made an ugly slanderous video does NOT entitle the perpetrator to credibility.

I didn't see the perpetrator even identify himself.
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When I read this thread, I realized I didn't know anything about RA. the more I searched, the more about his claims about being a "doctor" surfaced.
Honest, I wasn't looking for this, I stumbled onto it. There are several sites that bring this up.
Sorry, guys, I wasn't trying to slam the man. This is just what's out there.
 
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When I read this thread, I realized I didn't know anything about RA. the more I searched, the more about his claims about being a "doctor" surfaced.
Honest, I wasn't looking for this, I stumbled onto it. There are several sites that bring this up.
Sorry, guys, I wasn't trying to slam the man. This is just what's out there.
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He does in fact have earned Masters degrees in both Philosophy and in Religion.

He has honorary doctorates from several or at least more than 3 prestigious universities.

He does not have nor does he claim to have an earned doctorate.
 
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What is also NOT well understood by the public, in general, is the significance of an honorary doctorate.
An honorary doctorate is an acknowledgement that an individual has made an extraordinary contribution to a field of study. Again, sometimes this contribution can be measured by someone's record of published academic studies and sometimes it is measured by the fact that what that individual has achieved in non-academic practice has nonetheless contributed massively often by changing both the practice and the academic landscape in that field.
Sometimes the recipients already hold a doctorate, and sometimes they don't.

Very occasionally an individual may receive an honorary doctorate for what could be termed "political" reasons, but this is very rare as universities absolutely do need to build and maintain their academic credibility. So, handing out honorary doctorates, or any other qualifications for that matter, to individuals who do NOT deserve them is the quickest way for a university, or any other educational facility, to destroy its reputation and credibility...
 
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He does in fact have earned Masters degrees in both Philosophy and in Religion.

He has honorary doctorates from several or at least more than 3 prestigious universities.

He does not have nor does he claim to have an earned doctorate.
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So why does he call himself doctor if he doesn't have an earned doctorate? It's not ethical to do so, I've looked it up.
 
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So why does he call himself doctor if he doesn't have an earned doctorate? It's not ethical to do so, I've looked it up.
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An honorary doctorate carries all of the privileges of an earned Doctorate; including the right to teach at a proffessorial level.
 
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watched one of His videos for about 10 min...... My advice to all ------RUN
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What did you find objectionable? If I were on a pulpit committee I would never hire him to preach; but as an apologist he does an excellent job of defending sound doctrine.
 
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An honorary doctorate carries all of the privileges of an earned Doctorate; including the right to teach at a proffessorial level.
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I'm sorry, but I still don't agree. I found this on the internet.
Honorary Degrees

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[TD]How to Use My Honorary Doctorate with My Name?
I hold a few degrees and am about to receive an honorary doctorate. How do I indicate the doctorate with my name. I currently have BBA, B.Th, and an MRE. The honorary doctorate will be in Theology.
-- Marc Coffee
I have just been granted an honorary doctorate. Am I correctly addressed as "Dr. (Name)" now?
-- Sandor Green

Dear Mr. Coffee & Mr. Green:
 An honorary degree is a great honor, but it is an honor, not the same thing as an earned degree.
Honorary-degree recipients may be addressed as Dr. (Name) orally during the ceremony or in correspondence from by the granting university.
But recipients are not addressed orally or in writing as Dr. (Name) by other universities – and not correctly addressed as Dr. (Name) in their professional/personal life. They continue to be addressed orally and in writing with the form of address to which they entitled prior to receiving the honor. E.g., Mr./Ms./Mrs.
They may use the pertinent post-nominal abbreviation for the honorary degree with their name if they use the words honoris causa with the post nominal for the degree -- to note that the degree is honorary, not earned.
On one's resume/CV, honorary doctorates are listed with honors or awards, not as education with your earned academic degrees. In a complete introduction it would be stated that "Marc Coffey received an honorary Doctorate in Theology from (Name of Granting Institution)"
The best source on this topic is Academic Ceremonies: a handbook of traditions and protocol by April Harris. Google it. You'll find it. It's the bible on the use of academic degrees.
-- Robert Hickey
Use of an Honorary Doctorate with The Honorable?
We have an newly elected official who received an honorary doctorate. She wants to be addressed as Dr. I’ve always followed the rule not to use a double honorific. But to this person, it’s important. (What can I tell you!)
So is it:
The Honorable Dr. Mary Jones
Or is it:
Dr. The Honorable Mary Jones?
-- Anne Lesley

Dear Ms. Leslie:
1.) In the USA "The Honorable" is not used in combination with honorifics. We just one thing at a time. So she is: The Honorable Mary Jones
2.) If she wants to be addressed as Dr. then in a salutation or in conversation she'd be:
Dr. Smith
3.) Everyone is entitled to have their name be what they want it to be, But recipients of honorary doctorates are not entitled to be addressed as Dr. except at the granting university.
In the USA all honors and distinctions would be mentioned on a resume under honors or noted in an introduction that she was a awarded a honorary doctorate etc. See the posting above on the use of honorary degrees for the details.
You can't tell that to her of course, unless she asks your opinion, but she's going to look either ignorant of the correct style (not good for a person holding a doctorate I'd say) -- or pretentious if others know she's asking to be addressed as Dr. when the degree is an honorary one.
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Where did you get your info at?
 
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Speak2Me said:
I'm sorry, but I still don't agree. I found this on the internet.
Honorary Degrees

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]How to Use My Honorary Doctorate with My Name?
I hold a few degrees and am about to receive an honorary doctorate. How do I indicate the doctorate with my name. I currently have BBA, B.Th, and an MRE. The honorary doctorate will be in Theology.
-- Marc Coffee
I have just been granted an honorary doctorate. Am I correctly addressed as "Dr. (Name)" now?
-- Sandor Green

Dear Mr. Coffee & Mr. Green:
 An honorary degree is a great honor, but it is an honor, not the same thing as an earned degree.
Honorary-degree recipients may be addressed as Dr. (Name) orally during the ceremony or in correspondence from by the granting university.
But recipients are not addressed orally or in writing as Dr. (Name) by other universities – and not correctly addressed as Dr. (Name) in their professional/personal life. They continue to be addressed orally and in writing with the form of address to which they entitled prior to receiving the honor. E.g., Mr./Ms./Mrs.
They may use the pertinent post-nominal abbreviation for the honorary degree with their name if they use the words honoris causa with the post nominal for the degree -- to note that the degree is honorary, not earned.
On one's resume/CV, honorary doctorates are listed with honors or awards, not as education with your earned academic degrees. In a complete introduction it would be stated that "Marc Coffey received an honorary Doctorate in Theology from (Name of Granting Institution)"
The best source on this topic is Academic Ceremonies: a handbook of traditions and protocol by April Harris. Google it. You'll find it. It's the bible on the use of academic degrees.
-- Robert Hickey
Use of an Honorary Doctorate with The Honorable?
We have an newly elected official who received an honorary doctorate. She wants to be addressed as Dr. I’ve always followed the rule not to use a double honorific. But to this person, it’s important. (What can I tell you!)
So is it:
The Honorable Dr. Mary Jones
Or is it:
Dr. The Honorable Mary Jones?
-- Anne Lesley

Dear Ms. Leslie:
1.) In the USA "The Honorable" is not used in combination with honorifics. We just one thing at a time. So she is: The Honorable Mary Jones
2.) If she wants to be addressed as Dr. then in a salutation or in conversation she'd be:
Dr. Smith
3.) Everyone is entitled to have their name be what they want it to be, But recipients of honorary doctorates are not entitled to be addressed as Dr. except at the granting university.
In the USA all honors and distinctions would be mentioned on a resume under honors or noted in an introduction that she was a awarded a honorary doctorate etc. See the posting above on the use of honorary degrees for the details.
You can't tell that to her of course, unless she asks your opinion, but she's going to look either ignorant of the correct style (not good for a person holding a doctorate I'd say) -- or pretentious if others know she's asking to be addressed as Dr. when the degree is an honorary one.
-- Robert Hickey[/TD]
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Where did you get your info at?
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I personally know of 3 people with honorary doctorates who also hold full professorships. It happens that they do teach at the granting universities. I (incorrectly) assumed that the principle extended to all walks. I stand corrected.
 
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What motivates some Christians here to search out the splinters in their brother's eye while totally ignoring the beam in their own?
 
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Speak2Me said:
When I read this thread, I realized I didn't know anything about RA. the more I searched, the more about his claims about being a "doctor" surfaced.
Honest, I wasn't looking for this, I stumbled onto it. There are several sites that bring this up.
Sorry, guys, I wasn't trying to slam the man. This is just what's out there.
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Why don't you go to the RZIM website and read RZ's biography?
When you have done so please point out his criminality by quoting the offending parts from that biography...

I have (re)-read it and there is nothing controversial about it.

You cannot impugn on to him things that other say about him - for better or for worse.
You are still indulging in slander and if you continue in this vein then you will be reported - hopefully to be banned!
 
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MarcR said:
I personally know of 3 people with honorary doctorates who also hold full professorships. It happens that they do teach at the granting universities. I (incorrectly) assumed that the principle extended to all walks. I stand corrected.
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Hey, no problem, I've stood corrected, and was sat down and corrected, lol.
I have something else to show you about RA. I did a google search on "doctor ravi zacharias book", and 97% of the first page had him listed as doctor.
There's no way that many sites could get it wrong without him telling them.
 
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Hey, no problem, I've stood corrected, and was sat down and corrected, lol.
I have something else to show you about RA. I did a google search on "doctor ravi zacharias book", and 97% of the first page had him listed as doctor.
There's no way that many sites could get it wrong without him telling them.
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As i said earlier He never claims to have an earned doctorate.

Our society tends to use the salutation' Dr.' as a mark of respect for many people with honorary doctorates including, I believe, Martin Luther King.

If Ravi Zecharias' publisher called him Dr. it would be unseemly to make waves about it. Jacket plates are quite expensive.
 
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MarcR said:
What did you find objectionable? If I were on a pulpit committee I would never hire him to preach; but as an apologist he does an excellent job of defending sound doctrine.
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Hello MarcR.. As I ask others to follow Acts 17:11, I try to follow it at all times. Here is the link to His Book "Jesus Among other Gods", I think you will find it interesting. After you have had time to read and digest it contents, we can discuss it if you wish.

Have a Blessed Next day

Blade


https://truth4freedom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/zachariasravi-jesus-among-other-gods.pdf
 
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Bladerunner said:
Hello MarcR.. As I ask others to follow Acts 17:11, I try to follow it at all times. Here is the link to His Book "Jesus Among other Gods", I think you will find it interesting. After you have had time to read and digest it contents, we can discuss it if you wish.

Have a Blessed Next day

Blade


https://truth4freedom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/zachariasravi-jesus-among-other-gods.pdf
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I have read the first four chapters and have only seen a very forceful apologetic for the authenticity of Jesus claims to be God the Son.
 
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Those who can....DO. Those who can't., sit around and complain about those who do. Simply repulsive.
 
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