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trofimus

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Yep, he sure does take licence but that's because of the teachings has received and believed.. dont feed his frenzy. Press him on what he actually believes rather than him just dismissing everything and giving no answer. .

I actually do not care about his beliefs too much. I know it will be very similar to JW. If he asks questions, I can answer some of them and I will leave the rest of investigation to you :)
 
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Of course not; no printing presses existed.
Each 'book' was a separate scroll.
Who said printing press, the scrolls were written on papyrus, do you know the difference between printing press and hand writing. another cuff thinker.
 
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trofimus;3310199]There is no "it".

There IS in the translation you quoted from. The KJV


There are many spirits, not just God.

True- Him, Christ, Angel and Demon; but WHICH did He put upon Moses and the 70?


I do not understand this question.

There ARE millions of Christians; both real and phony. Does your 'Holy Ghost' POSSESSES them as it did Jesus at his baptism?

No problem, I am not here all the time, so it sometimes takes a while.

Same here. No Prob.
 
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Of course not; no printing presses existed.
Each 'book' was a separate scroll.
And another thing, there was no each book, that wasn't invented until they brought all the separate scrolls into one readable book.
 

trofimus

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Why the 3rd person; Ghost got your tongue?

NIV says it best~

"[FONT="]I will come down and speak with you[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] there, and I will take [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT="]some[/FONT][FONT="] of the power of the Spirit that is on you and put [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT="]it[/FONT][FONT="] on them."

[B]Can one God take [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT="]SOME[/FONT]
[FONT="][B] of another God and put [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT="]'Him'[/FONT][FONT="] on others?[/FONT]
I do not see any "it" in the text:

καὶ καταβήσομαι καὶ λαλήσω ἐκεῖ μετὰ σοῦ καὶ ἀφελῶ ἀπὸ τοῦ πνεύματος τοῦ ἐπὶ σοὶ καὶ ἐπιθήσω ἐπ’ αὐτούς, καὶ συναντιλήψονται μετὰ σοῦ τὴν ὁρμὴν τοῦ λαοῦ, καὶ οὐκ οἴσεις αὐτοὺς σὺ μόνος.

And I will go down, and speak there with you; and I will take of the spirit that is upon you, and will put upon them; and they shall bear together with you the burden of the people, and you shall not bear them alone."

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Also, you must realize that grammar rules are not theology.

For example, in Hebrew, the word "spirit" is feminine. In Czech (my native language) its masculine. In Greek, its neuter.

So when we talk about something, we must use some grammar rules. But it does not mean that the Holy Spirit is a man, a woman or a thing.
 
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Who said printing press, the scrolls were written on papyrus, do you know the difference between printing press and hand writing. another cuff thinker.
You are the one who babbled: "Jesus never mentioned scriptures as the bible".

Bible means "little books".
 
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hundreds and hundreds of scroll fragments went into making what is called the bible today
 
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You are the one who babbled: "Jesus never mentioned scriptures as the bible".

Bible means "little books".
Youve got a lot to learn little book.

And yes jesus mentioned scriptures the OT and should be mentioned as scriptures today not bible.
 
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You still pushing Charles Taze Russellism.......Is Jesus God or not?
 
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2just as they were handed down to us by the initial eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
 

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Don't let thequestion vear you off into different subjects where he can disparage your faith.. thats all he is doing.. Ask him about his religion.

He's playing a game.
 

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You still pushing Charles Taze Russellism.......Is Jesus God or not?
Jesus is God, but this Charles Taze Russellism character may be considered a 'god' in that particular cult. As long as the JW members don't consider this person to be 'God' they're probably basically harmless albeit delusional and misguided. If I were still a Catholic I would say a few Hail Mary's to save their souls from purgatory and light a candle for them. In extreme cases in may be necessary to put some extra cash in the collection basket as well. Not my cash, mind you.
 
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Don't let thequestion vear you off into different subjects where he can disparage your faith.. thats all he is doing.. Ask him about his religion.

He's playing a game.
Nay he could never vear me off my faith,

I will give him alittle benefit of the doubt, he may not be playing games, though he may feel as if his is on to something.

indeed he doesn't seem to want to mention his faith of what he really believes.
 
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you are very kind in giving your warnings, Phil,

but, alas, it is not just 'his-game', it is 'their-game'...and a very un-profitable one
at that..
 
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you are very kind in giving your warnings, Phil,

but, alas, it is not just 'his-game', it is 'their-game'...and a very un-profitable one
at that..
You seem to have a habit of judging others before you know the truth of them. I know from experience you've done it to me.
 
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Nay he could never vear me off my faith,

I will give him alittle benefit of the doubt, he may not be playing games, though he may feel as if his is on to something.

indeed he doesn't seem to want to mention his faith of what he really believes.

Sure glad I didn't have that attitude when a Catholic....