The two witnesses
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Well if appears we are at odds again. Of course I know you are responding to Ellsworth1943 post. So I just have to ask some ?????
First, 'Tribulation' is a very unfortunate misnomer for Daniel's 70th week or Jacob's Trouble.
God's Wrath is all through the Bible including during Daniel's 70th week.
Not sure about the word LAST???I will assume you are using it with Trumpet for "The Last Trumpet" which has nothing to do with the Trumpets as seen in the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgements.
What has Grandsville Sharp, a civil servant of the 1700's have to do with 2 Thess 2.
There are a whole lot of things that happen, many prophecies that are fulfilled before Jesus Comes.
Now, I ask you about the time that "Time ENDED" Where/When did this come about?????
I will assume the "Mystery" you speak of is the "Mystery Babylon"?????/
Agree with you. If you read Revelation correctly, it will take to every book in the OT (except 1) and many of the NT books.
First, 'Tribulation' is a very unfortunate misnomer for Daniel's 70th week or Jacob's Trouble.
God's Wrath is all through the Bible including during Daniel's 70th week.
Not sure about the word LAST???I will assume you are using it with Trumpet for "The Last Trumpet" which has nothing to do with the Trumpets as seen in the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgements.
What has Grandsville Sharp, a civil servant of the 1700's have to do with 2 Thess 2.
There are a whole lot of things that happen, many prophecies that are fulfilled before Jesus Comes.
Now, I ask you about the time that "Time ENDED" Where/When did this come about?????
I will assume the "Mystery" you speak of is the "Mystery Babylon"?????/
Agree with you. If you read Revelation correctly, it will take to every book in the OT (except 1) and many of the NT books.
J
the better question is how do you see that the scripture you provided applies to Babylon,possibly because it's called "great city",in your scripture it is speaking on Jerusalem not Babylon,both are called "great cities" but so is "Nineveh" that doesn't mean that every "great city" is Babylon nor otherwise,you can't have things both ways,Jesus was crucified outside of Jerusalem away from the city,but Babylon is not Jerusalem for how beit that only Babylon is known as "the great whore" where as Jerusalem is not said as being equally sinful and abominable as Babylon for Babylon with it's wiles and idolatry angered God for Babylon tempted his people and slew many of his prophets,not Jerusalem,and in that same chapter it is written that an earthquake destroyed the tenth part of the city,Babylon however in a later chapter is spoken of as "not having God's wrath poured out upon it yet,for if Jerusalem were Babylon then why were they who died for God still troubled asking"how long before we are avenged"?
showing that Babylon had not yet been overthrown by God yet per vengeance for the fallen of God's people,thereby your claim makes "no sense" for Jerusalem was quaked but Babylon hadn't yet received it's appropriate judgement.
showing that Babylon had not yet been overthrown by God yet per vengeance for the fallen of God's people,thereby your claim makes "no sense" for Jerusalem was quaked but Babylon hadn't yet received it's appropriate judgement.
1. Tribulation (thilipsis) and wrath (orge) are two entirely different animals with two different applications. The great tribulation is applicable and applied unto ALL and everyone will endure it including the saved and the lost. Through MUCH tribulation we must enter the kingdom JESUS SAID. Wrath is the fiery indignation of God and is applied unto the lost who will face it under the banner of the beast and his kingdom, Israel will go thru it all and be preserved during the wrath. A multitude of scripture in conetxt proves all of this.
2. The last trump is the last trump. At it we find 3 things....The Lord seizes all earthly kingdoms as LORD, as Christ he resurrect/changes and then rewards the saints, prophets and those who fear God young and old, as God he pours out his wrath upon those who are actively destroying the earth. JESUS is LORD, CHRIST and GOD and PETER and PAUL have tied ALL three days together as one and that one day commences at the LAST TRUMP.
3. A Grandsville Sharp is used in Greek and equates to the following....Paul 2nd Thessalonians 2. We beseech you brethren by the Parousia (Body presence/coming) of JESUS, THAT IS TO SAY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM.......The GATHERING together of the SAINTS unto Christ is the COMING of JESUS (Parousia-->BODY PRESENCE) AND PAUL lists two things that MUST take place first in this context. THE MAN of SIN being revealed and the apo-hystamie from the truth (apostasy) JESUS WILL NOT COME until these two take place (amongst other thing as well)
4. At the sounding of the 7th trump in Revelation two things are also mentioned....the Mystery should be finished I.E> the resurrection/change and TIME shall be no more which has numerous applications.....as applied unto the saved, lost, world, kingdom of the beast etc. For the saved we are transformed or resurrected in our eternal bodies, for the lost wrath, for the Kingdoms of the world all gentile rule ends, for the beast and his kingdom wrath.......
No, Babylon is not a mystery when all the facts are taken into account....it is woven in with classical Babylon, has 80 characteristics found in 7-8 books and about 13 chapters....10.5 billion to 1 when the math is done....It was a Mystery to JOHN when he wrote Revelation and John knew full well about Rome.
LOL, what land did Pharaoh rule over?
And Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh; for the Egyptians sold every man his field, because the famine prevailed over them: so the land became Pharaoh's. Gen 47:20
But wait, let's look at this scripture in context with the passage in Genesis 47.
[11] What land did Pharaoh command be given Israel for a possession being the best of the land, in the land of Rameses?
[13] When there was no bread in all the land of Pharaoh, what land was there no bread?
[14] When Jospeh gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Pharaoh, what land did he gather that money from?
Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh: [See Genesis 47:23]
Ever hear the parable of the sower?
And Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh; for the Egyptians sold every man his field, because the famine prevailed over them: so the land became Pharaoh's. Gen 47:20
But wait, let's look at this scripture in context with the passage in Genesis 47.
[11] What land did Pharaoh command be given Israel for a possession being the best of the land, in the land of Rameses?
[13] When there was no bread in all the land of Pharaoh, what land was there no bread?
[14] When Jospeh gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Pharaoh, what land did he gather that money from?
Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh: [See Genesis 47:23]
Ever hear the parable of the sower?