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Retreatism, defeatistism. I got new stuff to google! Dominionism is the "Kingdom now" theology right? Christians everywhere?
No, not really. It is a belief based on the understanding of the original command given to man in the Garden, that we are to take dominion of the Earth. They feel we were never relieved of that responsibility, and that it is directly related to all the admonishments to resist and stand for God's kingdom.... persevering to the end.

Retreating from conflict with those opposed to God's ways, and giving in to defeat by Satanic forces in society is not what Dominions feel God expects of us. That extends to declaring Satan has won control of the world, and that we have only one hope left to us, praying to be snatched out of "his" world through a Rapture, and surrendering the world to him.

They do not feel Satan is stronger than the influence of The Holy Spirit, and that we are supposed to be the feet and voices of that Spirit.
 

Ahwatukee

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Retreatism, defeatistism. I got new stuff to google! Dominionism is the "Kingdom now" theology right? Christians everywhere?
Per Willie: "That extends to declaring Satan has won control of the world."

Satan does have control and authority over the kingdoms of the world:

"The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.” - Luke 4:5-7

Originally, the earth and everything in it was given to mankind. But when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, it was given to Satan and which is still under his authority. By Jesus sacrifice as a human being yet without sin, He redeemed everything, including the authority of the earth.

Satan and his angels being cast of heaven in the middle of the seven years as described in Rev.12:7 is apart of the process of the authority of the earth reverting from Satan back to God and mankind.
 
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Defeatism is the attitude, policy, or conduct of a person who admits, expects, or no longer resists defeat, because of a conviction that further struggle or effort is futile; it is pessimistic resignation.
 
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R.C. Sproul says it best:

"Debates over eschatology will probably continue until the Lord returns and we have the advantage of hindsight rather than the disadvantage of foresight. The divisions that exist within the Christian community are understandable, considering that both the subject matter and the literary genre of future prophecy are exceedingly difficult. This does not mean that we may push the Bible aside or neglect its eschatological sections. On the contrary the interpretive difficulties . . . call us to a greater diligence and persistence in seeking their solution"
 
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Satan does have control and authority over the kingdoms of the world:

"The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.” - Luke 4:5-7

Originally, the earth and everything in it was given to mankind. But when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, it was given to Satan and which is still under his authority. By Jesus sacrifice as a human being yet without sin, He redeemed everything, including the authority of the earth.

Satan and his angels being cast of heaven in the middle of the seven years as described in Rev.12:7 is apart of the process of the authority of the earth reverting from Satan back to God and mankind.
See, People, this is dangerous thinking..... reading where Satan said something, and believing he spoke the truth. Are we not told he is the "father of lies?".... then why would we ever try to say that he told Jesus the truth here?
 
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See, People, this is dangerous thinking..... reading where Satan said something, and believing he spoke the truth. Are we not told he is the "father of lies?".... then why would we ever try to say that he told Jesus the truth here?
i think paul said the same thing in here

2 corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 

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I would never jump on you about that. My own thinking lines up directly with Christian Reconstructionism (Dominionism) than it does with Retreatism or Defeatistism..... except for the returning to living under the condemnation and punishment of disobeying the Law. If we live with that hanging over our heads, why did Jesus bother to come?

Well, I wouldn't agree with that either, Willie. Perhaps we need to start our own church? You are in Florida too! Lol

kidding...
 
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i think paul said the same thing in here

2 corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Exactly. Satan tells just enough "half-truths" (lies) to get us to believe what he states.
 

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See, People, this is dangerous thinking..... reading where Satan said something, and believing he spoke the truth. Are we not told he is the "father of lies?".... then why would we ever try to say that he told Jesus the truth here?
I was just thinking the same thing Willie....
 
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Well, I wouldn't agree with that either, Willie. Perhaps we need to start our own church? You are in Florida too! Lol

kidding...
Starting our own? I dunno. But, let me know if you find something promising.
 
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Jesus did say when He returns will He find faith on earth?

That would pretty much eliminate the postmillennial position already.
 
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We're off to the movies very soon......... Won't be on the computer for a while.
 

stonesoffire

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Because the letter was addressing the situation that the Thessalonians and other churches were under prior to the destruction of Jerusalem - this is from another thread:

The problem with the late "rapture" theory is that is fails to take note of the full context of the "occasional" nature of the letters to the Thessalonians.

2 Th 1:4 therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure.

2 Th 1:5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.

2 Th 1:6 For after all it is only just for God
to repay with affliction those who afflict you,

2 Th 1:7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,

Note that in the above Paul is promising relief and repayment to those that are afflicting THEM, and it was the Jews and their "henchman" that were doing the affliction. See his comments from his first letter to the Thessalonians:

1 Th 2:14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews,

2 Th 1:8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

2 Th 1:9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

2 Th 1:10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.

Paul is promising the Thessalonians relief from persecution at the coming of the Lord in their lifetime (not hundreds of years into their future) when the persecutors/afflictors would be "punished with eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord."

The only nation on earth at that was said to dwell in
"the presence of the Lord" was Judah/Israel.

This is the same coming/presence as in 1 Th 4:15-17.

If this relief did not come in the lifetime of the Thessalonians as Paul promised we would have to conclude that he was mistaken, or worse a false prophet.

He was neither.

The meeting in the air (figurative) was a spiritual event at the coming of the Lord not for the removal of the church but to dwell with it "so shall we ever be with the Lord":

There was/is taking the church out of the world, but there is deliverance:

John 17:15 “I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.
I can see your point Locutus. It being a personal letter to the Thessalonians. And I do think that we Christians try to apply everything to us personally, and it's not viewed as letters addressing a specific thing in a specific fellowship.

So will keep this in mind when I come to this in study. Thanks.
 
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Jesus did say when He returns will He find faith on earth?

That would pretty much eliminate the postmillennial position already.
A bit confusing. Could you elaborate in some detail?
 
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A bit confusing. Could you elaborate in some detail?
Jesus said when He returns, will He find faith on earth.
Jesus also said it will be like in the days of Noah.

These two statements indicate that there will not be many true believers when the Lord returns.
 

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Defeatism is the attitude, policy, or conduct of a person who admits, expects, or no longer resists defeat, because of a conviction that further struggle or effort is futile; it is pessimistic resignation.
Thats fatalism and was the mindset of the Jews in the holocaust. Though there was a few in the resistance.
 

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No, not really. It is a belief based on the understanding of the original command given to man in the Garden, that we are to take dominion of the Earth. They feel we were never relieved of that responsibility, and that it is directly related to all the admonishments to resist and stand for God's kingdom.... persevering to the end.

Retreating from conflict with those opposed to God's ways, and giving in to defeat by Satanic forces in society is not what Dominions feel God expects of us. That extends to declaring Satan has won control of the world, and that we have only one hope left to us, praying to be snatched out of "his" world through a Rapture, and surrendering the world to him.

They do not feel Satan is stronger than the influence of The Holy Spirit, and that we are supposed to be the feet and voices of that Spirit.
This explains a lot. By "they" do you mean you as well?
 

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This explains a lot. By "they" do you mean you as well?

Correct me if i'm wrong. Don't we have another day ( 1000 Years ) After the lord returns. and then we go into the eternity and which is also on this earth. It seems to me that you, ( Not you personally ) But you,them,they, those over there. ( the Present Church ) is confusing Heaven and earth ages with the actual heaven and earth. Just askin
 
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Enocish yup there is the kingdom of Jesus on earth, from jerusalem. Peter was waiting for it (acts 1:6)
thats what God promised Israel, and u can be sure God will always deliver.

here is the order of events in a very simplified form on google: