What is your reasoning

[NoNameMcgee]

New covenant????????when did we get that one????????

Hebrews Chapter 8



1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Abraham answered,
"God himself will provide the lamb"
(Genesis 22:8)

for this is my blood of the new covenant,
that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins
(Matthew 26:28)

He has obtained a more excellent ministry,
by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant,
which has been enacted on better promises.
(Hebrews 8:6)

​

be sure and read Jeremiah 31 next, and the rest of Hebrews 8

whoops didnt see this before my second post

 

[Adstar]

People do not like the G-d of the Old Testament He is mean killing everyone unless they follow Him. So just wondering why do you like Y-shua, He is going to throw everyone into hell that are not saved in Him? What is your reasoning to throw the Old Testament out but condom the world to hell that is not Saved????

I know about God... I do not recognise this cut down "G-d" some people speak of.. But apart from that..

I trust that no one shall be cast into the eternal lake of fire by God unless they are trully deserving of such an eternal outcome.. I have Faith that God is just in all His decisions..

As for the Old Testament.. I do not want the OT thrown out.. It is good to read and learn wisdom from it because it is the Message of God..

 

[dcontroversal]

I am still trying to figure out who G-d is........I mean....the bible has no problem using GOD, the writers used GOD, the men who spoke used GOD........who is G-d and why are people afraid to use the very words the bible uses.....???

 

[bluto]

This is a worldly issue and does not belong to the Bible forum.

I am glad the man is a Christian, but it does not mean we must adore the US constitution, military, American history etc.

Let me say "trofimus" that the first thing that came to my mind when I read this was that this person is an "idiot." You remind of a person that has an emergency at 2 in the morning (a life and death situation) and he is driving to the hospital but to be "politically correct or to take a knee" he stops at all the red lights. That's how petty your heart is buster.

Now, no one and I mean no one in their right mind "adores" the constitution or even the military or war for that matter. If you look up the word "adore" it means to "worship" as to a divinity. This is how you are using the word. It can mean to honor or highly love but that is different from your Jehovah Witness understanding. And, if your not a JW, I don't care because your employing the same way they think.

Moreover, seeing that you have a problem with the military etc. then in like manner your have a problem with God. Read the following and take your childish and immature opionions up with Him.

Army[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT]The Israelites marched out of Egypt in military order ( Exodus 13:18 , "harnessed;" marg., "five in a rank"). Each tribe formed a battalion, with its own banner and leader ( Numbers 2:2 ; 10:14 ). In war the army was divided into thousands and hundreds under their several captains ( Numbers 31:14 ), and also into families ( Numbers 2:34 ; 2 Chr 25:5 ; 26:12 ). From the time of their entering the land of Canaan to the time of the kings, the Israelites made little progress in military affairs, although often engaged in warfare. The kings introduced the custom of maintaining a bodyguard (the Gibborim; i.e., "heroes"), and thus the nucleus of a standing army was formed. Saul had an army of 3,000 select warriors ( 1 Samuel 13:2 ; 14:52 ; 24:2 ). David also had a band of soldiers around him ( 1 Samuel 23:13 ; 25:13 ). To this band he afterwards added the Cherethites and the Pelethites ( 2 Samuel 15:18 ; 20:7 ). At first the army consisted only of infantry ( 1 Samuel 4:10 ; 15:4 ), as the use of horses was prohibited ( Deuteronomy 17:16 ); but chariots and horses were afterwards added ( 2 Samuel 8:4 ; 1 Kings 10:26 1 Kings 10:28 1 Kings 10:29 ; 1 Kings 9:19 ). In 1 Kings 9:22 there is given a list of the various gradations of rank held by those who composed the army. The equipment and maintenance of the army were at the public expense ( 2 Samuel 17:28 2 Samuel 17:29 ; 1 Kings 4:27 ; 1 Kings 10:16 1 Kings 10:17 ; Judges 20:10 ). At the Exodus the number of males above twenty years capable of bearing arms was 600,000 ( Exodus 12:37 ). In David's time it mounted to the number of 1,300,000 ( 2 Samuel 24:9 )."

Lastly, I'm a Vietnam Veteran and arrived in country in January of 1968. Two weeks later the Tet offensive started and I'm here to tell you that war (any war) is "horrible." I would not wish it on anybody including you. My suggestion to you is to do something nice, especially to Veterans because in reality you own them your life.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[bluto]

Double post, disregard.

 

[notuptome]

Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Not a new problem. The heathen did not like God in the OT and they do not like God in the NT.

The practice of omitting the vowel from the name of God is intended to show reverence but it is hard to distinguish that practice from mere superstition. There are several sects that believe the name of God is too holy for human tongues. Islam has this same kind of idolization going on with respect to their religion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Rokurac]

The type of people OP is describing is the Romans 9:20 man.

Romans 9:20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"
The natural man is always in rebellion towards God. This includes rebellion against the decrees of God.

We are talking about what is fair, and what is just, putting God on trial, while we should rest in the fact that God shall do right, and He will work out all things for good to those who love Him.

 

[Rokurac]

I am still trying to figure out who G-d is........I mean....the bible has no problem using GOD, the writers used GOD, the men who spoke used GOD........who is G-d and why are people afraid to use the very words the bible uses.....???

Its judaism.

 

[Rokurac]

Oh, I thought they were talking about a new covenant for the Church instead of Israel....My BAD

You do know that the covenant for jews and gentiles is one and the same?
Either in Christ, or lost. No other way, no nationality can help.
There is no separate covenant for jews and gentiles.

 

[Bladerunner]

You do know that the covenant for jews and gentiles is one and the same?
Either in Christ, or lost. No other way, no nationality can help.
There is no separate covenant for jews and gentiles.

That is not the way I read it.... The new covenant is with Israel and with Israel Alone. The Church has many promises but no covenant.

Here is the NEW COVENANT as proposed by GOD in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

"v31. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
v30 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
v33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
v34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[posthuman]

That is not the way I read it.... The new covenant is with Israel and with Israel Alone. The Church has many promises but no covenant.

until Paul started preaching to gentiles, and Peter by three visions was instructed to accept them, the church was entirely made up of Israelites. When Christ told His disciples that His blood and His body are the sacraments of His new covenant, was He speaking only to ethnic Jews, or to all who were to believe on Him and become partakers in His salvation? Should only Israelites take communion?

 

[Adstar]

There is only One way for all men to come to the Father and that is through the Son, The LORD Jesus Christ.. There is no salvation by another way.. All those who shall be Redeeemed will be Redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus.. Does not matter if they a Gentiles or Jews.. There is only one Way...

 

[trofimus]

Let me say "trofimus" that the first thing that came to my mind when I read this was that this person is an "idiot." You remind of a person that has an emergency at 2 in the morning (a life and death situation) and he is driving to the hospital but to be "politically correct or to take a knee" he stops at all the red lights. That's how petty your heart is buster.

Now, no one and I mean no one in their right mind "adores" the constitution or even the military or war for that matter. If you look up the word "adore" it means to "worship" as to a divinity. This is how you are using the word. It can mean to honor or highly love but that is different from your Jehovah Witness understanding. And, if your not a JW, I don't care because your employing the same way they think.

Moreover, seeing that you have a problem with the military etc. then in like manner your have a problem with God. Read the following and take your childish and immature opionions up with Him.

Army[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT]The Israelites marched out of Egypt in military order ( Exodus 13:18 , "harnessed;" marg., "five in a rank"). Each tribe formed a battalion, with its own banner and leader ( Numbers 2:2 ; 10:14 ). In war the army was divided into thousands and hundreds under their several captains ( Numbers 31:14 ), and also into families ( Numbers 2:34 ; 2 Chr 25:5 ; 26:12 ). From the time of their entering the land of Canaan to the time of the kings, the Israelites made little progress in military affairs, although often engaged in warfare. The kings introduced the custom of maintaining a bodyguard (the Gibborim; i.e., "heroes"), and thus the nucleus of a standing army was formed. Saul had an army of 3,000 select warriors ( 1 Samuel 13:2 ; 14:52 ; 24:2 ). David also had a band of soldiers around him ( 1 Samuel 23:13 ; 25:13 ). To this band he afterwards added the Cherethites and the Pelethites ( 2 Samuel 15:18 ; 20:7 ). At first the army consisted only of infantry ( 1 Samuel 4:10 ; 15:4 ), as the use of horses was prohibited ( Deuteronomy 17:16 ); but chariots and horses were afterwards added ( 2 Samuel 8:4 ; 1 Kings 10:26 1 Kings 10:28 1 Kings 10:29 ; 1 Kings 9:19 ). In 1 Kings 9:22 there is given a list of the various gradations of rank held by those who composed the army. The equipment and maintenance of the army were at the public expense ( 2 Samuel 17:28 2 Samuel 17:29 ; 1 Kings 4:27 ; 1 Kings 10:16 1 Kings 10:17 ; Judges 20:10 ). At the Exodus the number of males above twenty years capable of bearing arms was 600,000 ( Exodus 12:37 ). In David's time it mounted to the number of 1,300,000 ( 2 Samuel 24:9 )."

Lastly, I'm a Vietnam Veteran and arrived in country in January of 1968. Two weeks later the Tet offensive started and I'm here to tell you that war (any war) is "horrible." I would not wish it on anybody including you. My suggestion to you is to do something nice, especially to Veterans because in reality you own them your life.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I own my life to God, only. Sorry.

You can be a veteran from dozens of war, for me the only thing that matters is if you are a good person and if you are a Christian.

The best heroes who die without Christ will be forgotten. The non-heroes who die with Christ will be remembered for eternity and will be kings bright as stars in heaven.

 

[PS]

President Bush said God told him to invade Iraq.

Moses said God, told him to invade Canaan.

God said thou shall not kill (murder).

Who do we follow?

 

[Snoozy]

President Bush said God told him to invade Iraq.

Moses said God, told him to invade Canaan.

God said thou shall not kill (murder).

Who do we follow?

have u ever read the book of revelation? have u ever erad Jesus' words? going to war is not a violation of that commandment.... i know people who have been saved for a week and they understand that.

 

[PS]

have u ever read the book of revelation? have u ever erad Jesus' words? going to war is not a violation of that commandment.... i know people who have been saved for a week and they understand that.

The commandments are for us to keep. Jesus is the Judge and arbitrator of of HIS commandments. There is a massive difference between us and God. Jesus said not even to call a person a fool (racca) never mind taking their life.

 

[Snoozy]

The commandments are for us to keep. Jesus is the Judge and arbitrator of of HIS commandments. There is a massive difference between us and God. Jesus said not even to call a person a fool (racca) never mind taking their life.

war is not breaking that commandment in the old testament.

revelation 2:22-23

 

[PS]

war is not breaking that commandment in the old testament.

revelation 2:22-23

Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works. (Rev 2:22-23)


​That is Jesus speaking.

 

[Angela53510]

Hebrew and other Semitic languages have no vowels. Hence the Tetragram YHVH for Yahveh. The Masoretes around 800 AD added the vowel points, so future generations would know how to pronounce the words of the Bible.

The Jews believed that God's name was too holy to pronounce and so they did not add the the vowel sounds. In fact, they took what they thought the vowels were in the name of God, and used them in the word Adonai, and that is what they called God, without using his actual name.

Orthodox Jews, Messianic Jews maintain this tradition. Obviously, Mcubed, being a converted Jew, still wishes to retain her identity. Not all converted Jews do this, Marc being an example.

I feel if someone is from a Jewish background, not only should we respect their desire to not use vowels, people should not be cutting her down for doing it.