Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

[Hizikyah]

No one here is proposing we do not have to obey Gods commands. Will you please stop with this nonsense, it gets old!!

Yet the name of the thread is "Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?"

I like this verse too:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 8:21, “And He answering, said to them, “My mother and My brothers are those who are hearing the Word of Yah and doing it.”

It never gets old to me.
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[Studyman]

I guess it is how we interpret the law (levitical) and what purpose we think it is given.

I do think faith establishes yes even that law. Thats why I hope he answers.

You will just ignore and reject my answer anyway guys. How did the death of Christ fulfill the "Thou shall not commit adultery" Commandment?

How did the death of Jesus fulfill the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins?

How was Jesus considered worthy of paying my death penalty? Was it because He was cleansed by or followed the Levitical Priesthood? Or was it because He Followed God Commandments perfectly?

So was Jesus judged as perfect because He followed man made doctrines and traditions? Or because He obeyed His fathers instructions perfectly.

So what law made Jesus perfect? God's Commandments or the Levitical Priesthood?

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

How did the Levitical Priesthood "foreshadow" Christ's Sacrifice?

How did the Commandment "thou Shall not Commit Adultery" foreshadow Christ's Sacrifice?

It is Paul that explains the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith".

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

So regarding the Law of Works Paul says: 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Does the "Law" say that if we "Don't do Adultery" our sins are forgiven? Or does the "Law" teach we were, before the Seed should come, to bring offerings to the Levite and he performed "works" with it for the cleansing of our sins?

We are Commanded to Love God and Have faith in Him, Yes. It is God's Commandment that we Love him and Keep His Commandments. This is the "Law of Faith"

So regarding the Law of Faith, Paul says"

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;


13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

What Law is he talking about here. If I believe you and GP and every mainstream preacher on the planet, I would have to conclude that Paul is speaking about ALL 613 (or whatever the Popes last count is) laws. You all preach they can not be separated. You entire religious foundation is built on the mainstream doctrine that you can't separate the Levitical Priesthood from the righteous Laws Abraham was blessed for keeping.

I don't write this for you because you refuse to even consider that Paul might be right and you wrong. You are convinced in your own mind and there is nothing Jesus, Paul or God Almighty can say to change that.

But for others who might by following, can you see the point of my post?

Can you see the difference between the "ADDED" "Law of Works", added because of transgression of the "Law of Faith" Abraham kept, until the SEED should come?

When you understand this you don't have to throw out the volumes of scriptures necessary to support mainstream doctrines.

Then you understand why Pay can say on one hand.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

And on the other:

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

Oh how many times I have posted similar posts only to be received by eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear.

As the rich man was told, if they will not believe One who is risen from the dead, how will they believe us?

You will just ignore and reject my answer anyway guys. How did the death of Christ fulfill the "Thou shall not commit adultery" Commandment?

How did the death of Jesus fulfill the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins?

How was Jesus considered worthy of paying my death penalty? Was it because He was cleansed by or followed the Levitical Priesthood? Or was it because He Followed God Commandments perfectly?

So was Jesus judged as perfect because He followed man made doctrines and traditions? Or because He obeyed His fathers instructions perfectly.

So what law made Jesus perfect? God's Commandments or the Levitical Priesthood?

Heb. 7:11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

How did the Levitical Priesthood "foreshadow" Christ's Sacrifice?

How did the Commandment "thou Shall not Commit Adultery" foreshadow Christ's Sacrifice?

It is Paul that explains the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith".

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

So regarding the Law of Works Paul says: 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Does the "Law" say that if we "Don't do Adultery" our sins are forgiven? Or does the "Law" teach we were, before the Seed should come, to bring offerings to the Levite and he performed "works" with it for the cleansing of our sins?

We are Commanded to Love God and Have faith in Him, Yes. It is God's Commandment that we Love him and Keep His Commandments. This is the "Law of Faith"

So regarding the Law of Faith, Paul says"

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;


13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

What Law is he talking about here. If I believe you and GP and every mainstream preacher on the planet, I would have to conclude that Paul is speaking about ALL 613 (or whatever the Popes last count is) laws. You all preach they can not be separated. You entire religious foundation is built on the mainstream doctrine that you can't separate the Levitical Priesthood from the righteous Laws Abraham was blessed for keeping.

I don't write this for you because you refuse to even consider that Paul might be right and you wrong. You are convinced in your own mind and there is nothing Jesus, Paul or God Almighty can say to change that.

But for others who might by following, can you see the point of my post?

Can you see the difference between the "ADDED" "Law of Works", added because of transgression of the "Law of Faith" Abraham kept, until the SEED should come?

When you understand this you don't have to throw out the volumes of scriptures necessary to support mainstream doctrines.

Then you understand why Pay can say on one hand.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

And on the other:

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You will just ignore and reject my answer anyway guys. How did the death of Christ fulfill the "Thou shall not commit adultery" Commandment?

How did the death of Jesus fulfill the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins?

How was Jesus considered worthy of paying my death penalty? Was it because He was cleansed by or followed the Levitical Priesthood? Or was it because He Followed God Commandments perfectly?

So was Jesus judged as perfect because He followed man made doctrines and traditions? Or because He obeyed His fathers instructions perfectly.

So what law made Jesus perfect? God's Commandments or the Levitical Priesthood?

Heb. 7:11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

How did the Levitical Priesthood "foreshadow" Christ's Sacrifice?

How did the Commandment "thou Shall not Commit Adultery" foreshadow Christ's Sacrifice?

It is Paul that explains the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith".

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

So regarding the Law of Works Paul says: 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Does the "Law" say that if we "Don't do Adultery" our sins are forgiven? Or does the "Law" teach we were, before the Seed should come, to bring offerings to the Levite and he performed "works" with it for the cleansing of our sins?

We are Commanded to Love God and Have faith in Him, Yes. It is God's Commandment that we Love him and Keep His Commandments. This is the "Law of Faith"

So regarding the Law of Faith, Paul says"

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;


13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

What Law is he talking about here. If I believe you and GP and every mainstream preacher on the planet, I would have to conclude that Paul is speaking about ALL 613 (or whatever the Popes last count is) laws. You all preach they can not be separated. You entire religious foundation is built on the mainstream doctrine that you can't separate the Levitical Priesthood from the righteous Laws Abraham was blessed for keeping.

I don't write this for you because you refuse to even consider that Paul might be right and you wrong. You are convinced in your own mind and there is nothing Jesus, Paul or God Almighty can say to change that.

But for others who might by following, can you see the point of my post?

Can you see the difference between the "ADDED" "Law of Works", added because of transgression of the "Law of Faith" Abraham kept, until the SEED should come?

When you understand this you don't have to throw out the volumes of scriptures necessary to support mainstream doctrines.

Then you understand why Pay can say on one hand.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

And on the other:

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Ok, I never asked what Jesus did, I asked how my faith establishes the law (as written in the passage hizekya posted)

Do you have an answer for that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh how many times I have posted similar posts only to be received by eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear.

As the rich man was told, if they will not believe One who is risen from the dead, how will they believe us?

As usual. You post what you do not know or understand, Because in your pride YOU THINK youy know what was being asked. But you do not

It is sad that two people here can not understand the question asked, Yet say we are the ones who either will not here, or do not here


Who are the ones who do not hear?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can anyone here answer how MY FAITH fullfils the law?

Is it really that hard of a question?

At least hiz is attempting, I am just not sure yet what his answer is.

 

[Depleted]

Many Christians say that Jesus has abolished the law and therefore they don't want to keep the commandments. But I can't agree with that. I think God has always been the same and He doesn't change. So why should his commandments change? I have read an interesting article on that topic which explains really well that Jesus never tought us to that we shouldn't keep the commandments anymore. It is all based on Bible verses. So I wonder if anyone can really argue against it?

Did Jesus abolish the law? Do we still have to keep the commandments?

How about this? Jesus is the Law?

I see the law as a perfect description of who Jehovah is. Imagine you saw that description on a relationship site. He's the perfect spouse, because he's just like that description.

Most people would see what they want in someone else, when they see that description. The spouses he chooses are the ones who repent because they know they don't measure up to that. And then he teaches them how to measure up to that for eternity. And his love -- the love described in that very law -- is transplanted into us.

Ultimately, the Law should show us how good he is and how bad we are. And it remains the measuring stick of which way to go to become his kind of good. (Perfect good.)

 

[Studyman]

Ok, I never asked what Jesus did, I asked how my faith establishes the law (as written in the passage hizekya posted)

Do you have an answer for that?

Perfect You are so predictable EG.

You have a good rest of the day

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Perfect You are so predictable EG.

You have a good rest of the day

just as I thought

You never have an answer, or you just want to interpret questions as you wish. It does not matter what the person who asked it wanted to ask.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”

Again, As these two verses state,

1. A person is justified by faith
’2. By that same faith, we establish the law

How do we establish the law by OUR faith?

Is there anyone here who can answer?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You will just ignore and reject my answer anyway guys. How did the death of Christ fulfill the "Thou shall not commit adultery" Commandment?

How did the death of Jesus fulfill the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins?

what does this have to do with MY FAITH?

How was Jesus considered worthy of paying my death penalty? Was it because He was cleansed by or followed the Levitical Priesthood? Or was it because He Followed God Commandments perfectly?

What does this have to do with my faith establishing the law?

So was Jesus judged as perfect because He followed man made doctrines and traditions? Or because He obeyed His fathers instructions perfectly.

Again, What does this have to do with MY FAITH establishing the law.

1. I did not ask what Jesus did to fulfill the law

2. I did not ask what law Jesus fulfilled

3. I did not ask HOW jesus was able to fulfill the law

So your response did not address my question.

I thought I attempted to show you how you failed to address my question because you misunderstood it, But Since you had to make an arrogant post to my response, and blame your failure to answer on me, instead of humbly saying, I am sorry EG I misunderstood you, Here let me try again.

Why we have to continue to go through this with certain people is beyond me.

 

[MarcR]

Again, As these two verses state,

1. A person is justified by faith
’2. By that same faith, we establish the law

How do we establish the law by OUR faith?

Is there anyone here who can answer?

If we believe, as I do, that the intent of the Law is to help people recognize their need for Jesus as Savior; then every time a person comes to faith the Law has achieved its purpose in that person's life; and is thus established.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If we believe, as I do, that the intent of the Law is to help people recognize their need for Jesus as Savior; then every time a person comes to faith the Law has achieved its purpose in that person's life; and is thus established.

Thank you for this answer. So you are saying law which purpose was to lead us to christ by exposing our sinfulness, and shutting our mouths, Led us to the redeemer by showing us what needed to be done to atone for sin, (the spilling of blood of someone who was not guilty themselves) and when we accept this as truth and recieve christ, the law is fulfilled in us?

 

[Snoozy]

If we believe, as I do, that the intent of the Law is to help people recognize their need for Jesus as Savior; then every time a person comes to faith the Law has achieved its purpose in that person's life; and is thus established.

hi brother MarcR ! BLESS YOU BLESS YOU BLESS YOU. God bless u

this is how they teach it at baptist church too. i think this is correct.

 

[NayborBear]

Can anyone here answer how MY FAITH fullfils the law?

Is it really that hard of a question?

At least hiz is attempting, I am just not sure yet what his answer is.

EG? I know how hard it is for you to be humble. Cuz you're perfect in every way! I know ya can't wait to look in the mirror. Cuz you get better lookin' each day! To know you, is to love you. You must be a hell of a man (tee heee). Have mercy on us, 'ol EG, we just doin' the best that we can!

 

[claysmithr]

Christ perfectly kept and fulfilled the law for us!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG? I know how hard it is for you to be humble. Cuz you're perfect in every way! I know ya can't wait to look in the mirror. Cuz you get better lookin' each day! To know you, is to love you. You must be a hell of a man (tee heee). Have mercy on us, 'ol EG, we just doin' the best that we can!

I am not perfect. Far from it. And I know most here just want to discuss things, It is just the select few who think they get to control everything, and even when they misinterpret you. Are unwilling or unable to repent.

I grew up with it, So I guess I should be used to it, But I do not think that is something anyone will, or SHOULD get used to.

 

[PS]

If we do as Jesus commanded, do we need other laws in our personal relationships? Motoring, guns, taxes etc. are different and as the law of the land they also need to be obeyed, but I am talking about how we are with other people. I know I am far from perfect in that regard and I find it easier to pay my taxes than be civil to certain people. Perhaps we need to examine ourselves and if needs be bite the bullet so to speak and work on ourselves? What do you all think?

A new commandment I give unto you,

That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

(John 13:34)


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[MarcR]

Thank you for this answer. So you are saying law which purpose was to lead us to christ by exposing our sinfulness, and shutting our mouths, Led us to the redeemer by showing us what needed to be done to atone for sin, (the spilling of blood of someone who was not guilty themselves) and when we accept this as truth and recieve christ, the law is fulfilled in us?

INDEED......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If we do as Jesus commanded, do we need other laws in our personal relationships? Motoring, guns, taxes etc. are different and as the law of the land they also need to be obeyed, but I am talking about how we are with other people. I know I am far from perfect in that regard and I find it easier to pay my taxes than be civil to certain people. Perhaps we need to examine ourselves and if needs be bite the bullet so to speak and work on ourselves? What do you all think?

A new commandment I give unto you,

That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

(John 13:34)


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Maybe just maybe this is the way God intended it to be from the beginning?