GOD HEARS YOUR PRAYERS
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Billy Graham has been considered by some Christians a horrible man. There have been threads about him even here on CC. But our family doesn't feel anything but gratitude and love for Billy Graham. God loves Billy Graham and his family. Franklin Graham is a wonderful man too.
No one person who is a Christian has it 100% right. Not Charles Spurgeon., not C.S.Lewis., not Billy Graham., not Joseph Prince., Chuck Swindoll., J.V. McGee., John Calvin., Joyce Meyer., John McGarther., etc... ect... The way to know a true believer is to look at the love they have for one another. See how they conduct their words and their lives. God knows the hearts of His people we don't. We can only see the ups and downs of their lives and hopefully we have enough love to over look other brothers and sisters foibles when they fall short of perfection.
No one person who is a Christian has it 100% right. Not Charles Spurgeon., not C.S.Lewis., not Billy Graham., not Joseph Prince., Chuck Swindoll., J.V. McGee., John Calvin., Joyce Meyer., John McGarther., etc... ect... The way to know a true believer is to look at the love they have for one another. See how they conduct their words and their lives. God knows the hearts of His people we don't. We can only see the ups and downs of their lives and hopefully we have enough love to over look other brothers and sisters foibles when they fall short of perfection.
[for me anyway] it sounds nice, yet it is a deceiving conclusion, because God is only faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleans us from all unrighteousness IF we confess (own) our sins: and this is a daily matter all our life. For if I am a thief, then I must repent and stop stealing; if I am a liar, then I must repent and stop lying: but if I do not repent and stop stealing or lying, then my sin remains left untouched. Usually it is common and practical knowledge that when we sin we should repent; but if some will not repent when they sin, so they will have their portion with the hypocrites and unbelievers, because that is their practice; but it is not the practice of a true follower of Christ.
That may be so, but anyone claiming to be a preacher has a moral and spiritual obligation to balance the truth with the Word of God.
Keeping in mind that anyone can read that message, it must be pointed out to Christians that when we run to God for help, we come to Him confessing our sins first. Even the Lord's Prayer (as commonly known) makes this crystal clear.
And forgive us our debts [sins], as we forgive our debtors.[those who have sinned against us]
Strong's Concordance
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: opheiléma
Phonetic Spelling: (of-i'-lay-mah)
Short Definition: a debt, offense, sin
Definition: a debt, offense, sin.
Keeping in mind that anyone can read that message, it must be pointed out to Christians that when we run to God for help, we come to Him confessing our sins first. Even the Lord's Prayer (as commonly known) makes this crystal clear.
And forgive us our debts [sins], as we forgive our debtors.[those who have sinned against us]
Strong's Concordance
opheiléma: that which is owed, a debt
Original Word: ὀφείλημα, ατος, τόPart of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: opheiléma
Phonetic Spelling: (of-i'-lay-mah)
Short Definition: a debt, offense, sin
Definition: a debt, offense, sin.
Sure, but that's why we are to test the spirits, the teacher, not just in singular statement, but the big picture:
"...and all such diligent searchers, and humble inquirers, are capable of making judgment of persons and doctrines, whether they are from the Spirit of God or not, for the Spirit of God never speaks contrary to his word." - John Gill
"...and all such diligent searchers, and humble inquirers, are capable of making judgment of persons and doctrines, whether they are from the Spirit of God or not, for the Spirit of God never speaks contrary to his word." - John Gill
Not to mention that JoanieMarie (or anyone else) isn't supposed to even be posting ANY THING about hyper grace, per order of the mods Oncefallen and CS1, in the stickied thread right here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html
and screen shotted for those too lazy to click the link:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html
and screen shotted for those too lazy to click the link:
It is a pointless waste of time to look at other Christians and examine their personalities with a fine tooth comb. Look instead what they say and do and preach. Don't look at their bank accounts or their taste in clothes or the length of their hair or how many children they have or don't have. Don't try to figure out why they believe what they do or do what they do unless they actually have told you why.
Because we don't know them personally and trying to pin a judgment on them based on our own "guesstimation" is foolish and the kind of judgment the Bible condemns. We are not mind readers. IMO many here on CC need to get out there and see that not everyone who is a believer thinks the same as they do. I don't focus on Sovereignty the exact same way another brother here does. There certainly is a place for that for sure and all Christians need to know about God's sovereignty because it will help understand other truths about God.
I tend to focus more on daily practical Christian living these days and there is a place for that too. There is a place to talk about the grace and love of God in Christ and also the second coming of Christ. The discussion of the rapture of the church for or against there is a place to discuss that too. So it seems we go where we have a need here on CC.
We give an opinion get in a discussion and leave and go to another thread. Time is valuable and we each have the right to post and focus on what most interests us during a certain time in our lives. Do some like C.S. Lewis? I do and have some of his books. Do some like Charles Stanley? I do and like him too.
Anyone like Oswald Chambers? I do and have used both his devotionals., one in old English and one in current English but prefer to use J.Prince's now. Anyone like the Daily Bread by Radio Bible class? I do and have used it for many years they are all very good to read and all very helpful IMO
We all have our favorites at certain times and seasons in our lives for different reasons and that is AOK.
Because we don't know them personally and trying to pin a judgment on them based on our own "guesstimation" is foolish and the kind of judgment the Bible condemns. We are not mind readers. IMO many here on CC need to get out there and see that not everyone who is a believer thinks the same as they do. I don't focus on Sovereignty the exact same way another brother here does. There certainly is a place for that for sure and all Christians need to know about God's sovereignty because it will help understand other truths about God.
I tend to focus more on daily practical Christian living these days and there is a place for that too. There is a place to talk about the grace and love of God in Christ and also the second coming of Christ. The discussion of the rapture of the church for or against there is a place to discuss that too. So it seems we go where we have a need here on CC.
We give an opinion get in a discussion and leave and go to another thread. Time is valuable and we each have the right to post and focus on what most interests us during a certain time in our lives. Do some like C.S. Lewis? I do and have some of his books. Do some like Charles Stanley? I do and like him too.
Anyone like Oswald Chambers? I do and have used both his devotionals., one in old English and one in current English but prefer to use J.Prince's now. Anyone like the Daily Bread by Radio Bible class? I do and have used it for many years they are all very good to read and all very helpful IMO
We all have our favorites at certain times and seasons in our lives for different reasons and that is AOK.
Ok., well here is where a discussion is good. When we sin as Christians., do we go to the throne of grace and find help in time of need because we are good or because Jesus is good?
If I go before the throne of grace in my own goodness due to my own behavior thinking that is what has made me righteous in God's sight., I go on my own merit. And that is how I used to go before God and went to the throne rarely because of a guilty conscience. The enemy is the one who uses condemnation and I had no idea Jesus died to give me the gift of NO condemnation. Romans 8:1
Today I know that God always accepts His children not because we are good in ourselves and our behavior but because Jesus paid for our position as righteous sons. I do not go to the throne of grace trying to earn grace. I go there by grace through faith in the free gift Jesus died and paid for already.
Um. Now, I can't let THAT one go. (Don't be mad at me 
) but...it's John MacArthur, Jr. to be exact!
But hooked on phonics, yep, it helps!
) but...it's John MacArthur, Jr. to be exact! But hooked on phonics, yep, it helps!
It's been a long time since I've sat under the preaching of JohnM so you have to excuse me.
Actually., we were raised on JohnM. and listened to him at church, on the radio and had many of his cassette tapes (remember those) but I don't agree with his teaching on lordship salvation. Nor some other topics he teaches. But he has some good basic teaching I do agree with.
Heb 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone to heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us live our lives consistent with our confession of faith.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses. Instead, we have one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet he never sinned.
Heb 4:16 So let us keep on coming boldly to the throne of grace, so that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
What does live our lives consistent with our confession of faith mean?
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses. Instead, we have one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet he never sinned.
Heb 4:16 So let us keep on coming boldly to the throne of grace, so that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
What does live our lives consistent with our confession of faith mean?
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Good morning ,
it has been a long - suffering and very patient with many in here pertaining to the topic of "hyper-grace" and those who seem to bring this topic up in every post no matter what the thread maybe . Moderators have addressed the issues with some in Bible discussion forum pertaining to this Subject " hyper-grace". We have received more submissions of infractions due to this topic. And the same names keep coming up. Moderators have asked what is hyper grace and where do you stand on the subject? those who were asked have provided their understanding. Now it is not that CC agree with nor against this doctrine as many hold to calvinist and the positions and have scriptural ref to support their understanding. BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:
1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin
I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.
God bless,
very respectfully,
CS1
Take note especially to #7 My topics are not hyper anything. Nor have I infringed on any of the rules here.
it has been a long - suffering and very patient with many in here pertaining to the topic of "hyper-grace" and those who seem to bring this topic up in every post no matter what the thread maybe . Moderators have addressed the issues with some in Bible discussion forum pertaining to this Subject " hyper-grace". We have received more submissions of infractions due to this topic. And the same names keep coming up. Moderators have asked what is hyper grace and where do you stand on the subject? those who were asked have provided their understanding. Now it is not that CC agree with nor against this doctrine as many hold to calvinist and the positions and have scriptural ref to support their understanding. BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:
1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin
I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.
God bless,
very respectfully,
CS1
Take note especially to #7 My topics are not hyper anything. Nor have I infringed on any of the rules here.
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