The Grace Revolution and The Word of Faith

[Nehemiah6]

​And we know that all things work together for good (but only if certain conditions are met) to them who love God ( the first condition), to them who are the called according to His purpose (this means it's "His purpose, and not ours," which is the second condition; otherwise, all things will not work together for our good). Romans 8:28

Correct. For anyone to blatantly disregard the conditions (as Prince does) means that they are false teachers. Joseph Prince, Paul Ellis, Kenneth Copeland, etc. have shown themselves to be such, and Christians should beware of false teachers, false apostles, and false prophets.

The thing about false teachers is that they skirt so close to the truth, that you almost fall for their deception. But when you look at Scripture and compare their words, you can tell that they are misleading people, either for gain, or for popularity, or for any number of base motives. True preachers will never be popular today.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We must remember that whenever the Pharisees and the Sadducees would question Jesus about the scriptures (the letter of the Law) Jesus would answer them with the spirit of the Law.

Pastor Prince uses the scripture 1 John 4:19, "We love Him [SUP]a][/SUP]because He first loved us. " This is the letter of the Law. We learn in Rev. 2:4-5, something is wrong, despite their zeal. "Because you have left your first love (not "lost" your first love; it refers to a departure from the Cross. This means they fell from Grace, which means they had stopped depending on Christ and the Cross - Gal. 5:4). John 14:15, Jesus says, "If (condition) you love me, keep my commandments." So how do we as Christians keep His commandments? By placing and maintaining our Faith exclusively in Gods beloved Son Jesus and the Finished Work at Calvary Cross. Any other way they have left their First Love Jesus and is committing "Spiritual Adultery" and open for judgement.

This is quite a stretch, Your reading things there which are not their.

They left their first love, They forgot where they came from and departed from it. It does not mean they stripped trusting in christ, it means they forgot WHAT THEY HAD and WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

it happens a lot to many people. Where they get so focused on this or that, they forgot the true meaning, and start to make mistake after mistake.

it does not mean they lost salvation. In fact, God did not even threaten them with that, He just said if they did not return and remember their first love, he would remove their lampstand, a lampstand stood for a church, not for individual people. So he is talking about removing the light (the ability to draw other people to christ) from the whole church. Until they repented.

 

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Your thoughts on this doctrine.

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Do you mean besides it's not doctrine? It's JP creating a strategic business plan built on the finances and hardships of others, and getting free workers to promote it for him.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Creflo Dollar sermon 2017 - Do I Have to Confess my Sins for God to Forgive - Sermon 2017​

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Start from 14:35 - 16:30 your thoughts on this doctrine. 1 John 1:9

https://youtu.be/KuCkZ9nwV1M

 

[Grandpa]

Pastor Prince uses the scripture 1 John 4:19, "[FONT=&quot]We love Him [/FONT][SUP]a][/SUP][FONT=&quot]because He first loved us. [/FONT]" This is the letter of the Law.

Is this the part you don't like?

What do you not like about it?

I don't see anything un-true about it.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Is this the part you don't like?

What do you not like about it?

I don't see anything un-true about it.

When any Pastor or Christian bypass the Christ and Him Crucified (condition #1), Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace (Gal. 5:4). You have now entered philosophy (the world).

 

[Grandpa]

When any Pastor or Christian bypass the Christ and Him Crucified (condition #1), Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace (Gal. 5:4). You have now entered philosophy (the world).

Well, that's a stretch.

I think you are the first to label Pastor Prince as a legalist.

I'm sure he would find it humorous.


Telling someone that you love God because He loved you first does not "bypass" Christ and His Crucifixion. That's where God showed/proved His Love for us.

And 1 John 4:19 isn't quoting law, its quoting gospel.

1 John 4:10 [FONT=&quot]Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.[/FONT]

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Well, that's a stretch.

I think you are the first to label Pastor Prince as a legalist.

I'm sure he would find it humorous.


Telling someone that you love God because He loved you first does not "bypass" Christ and His Crucifixion. That's where God showed/proved His Love for us.

And 1 John 4:19 isn't quoting law, its quoting gospel.

1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

​Jesus said, "If (condition) you love Me, keep My commandments." Question? How do YOU do this? Also, if it is not Faith in Christ and Him Crucified it is Law.

 

[Grandpa]

​Jesus said, "If (condition) you love Me, keep My commandments." Question? How do YOU do this? Also, if it is not Faith in Christ and Him Crucified it is Law.

If you love me you WILL keep my commandments.

We love Him because He first loved us, on the cross. We didn't see Him do it but we have faith that He did.

I totally agree with you that we can't do it on our own. We can't just decide one day to love God. It is by faith in Christ.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

If you love me you WILL keep my commandments.

We love Him because He first loved us, on the cross. We didn't see Him do it but we have faith that He did.

I totally agree with you that we can't do it on our own. We can't just decide one day to love God. It is by faith in Christ.

Only the Holy Spirit can keep any law and do what needs to be done in us. There is no good and hope in us. We are unable to serve God in our own strength and power. But, when we place and maintain our Faith exclusively in who Christ is, God's beloved Son Jesus, who He is and what He has done at the Cross of Calvary we receive all the benefits of the Resurrection Life. Why? Because the Holy Spirit sees us as a living sacrifice glorifying Christ. This is called the "Law of the Spirit (Holy Spirit) of Life In Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). Only then does all things work together for good because you are in the spirit and not the flesh. There is nothing God would accept from you or me except Faith in His Beloved Son Jesus. This is what it means to deny yourself and pick up your on cross and follow Him.

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The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).


1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.​

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Remember, God only awards righteousness by maintaining faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work. ​

Romans 4:5

The Holy Spirit, He Works strictly within the parameters of the "Finished Work" i.e., "the Cross of Christ", which demands that our Faith be exclusively in the Cross of Christ. The reason is simple, that's were the price was paid, and the victory was forever won (Romans 6:1-14; 1 Cor. 2:2; Gal. 5; Gal. 6:14; Eph. 2:13-18;
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Col. 2:14-15).

The Holy Spirit doesn't require much of us, but He does require one thing, and without reservation. Our Faith must be exclusively be in Christ and the Cross, understanding that this is God's Prescribed Order of Victory. When we stay "victory" we are speaking Victory in every capacity, be it spiritual, financial, domestically, physical, etc. God's Prescribed Order of Victory is "the Cross of Christ."

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The Way Of The Spirit

Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)

Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)

Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)


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Man's Way

Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!​

To walk in the spirit means to maintain faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. This allow the Holy Spirit latitude to work and help us. The Holy Spirit only works in the life of a Believer in the parameter of Christ and His Finished Work (Romans 8:1-2). The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2) is the highest law of all. The Holy Spirit keeps all of the commandments for us. You are guaranteed failure if you try to live for God in your on will power, strength, and performance. The only solution for sin, the only answer to sin, is the Cross of Christ.


How does a Believer maintain faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross? By just believing in Jesus and what He accomplished at Calvary Cross. Romans 4:5- Galatians 2:19-21 NKJV - 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 NKJV - ​

Colossians 2:11-15 NKJV

When faith is not maintain in Christ and the Cross the Believer enters the flesh, i.e., The Law - the curse. ​

Romans 8:1- Galatians 5:16-26

 

[Speak2Me]

Creflo Dollar sermon 2017 - Do I Have to Confess my Sins for God to Forgive - Sermon 2017​

Start from 14:35 - 16:30 your thoughts on this doctrine. 1 John 1:9

https://youtu.be/KuCkZ9nwV1M

Confessing & forsaking sin is true repentance. The church is told to repent of sin all thru the NT. Revelation shows Jesus telling the churches to repent.

We are also taught to confess our sins to one another.

Dollar if full of sumthin, but it ain't the Holy Ghost.

This is false doctrine that Prince & Dollar both teach. False teachers will be condemned to Hell if they don't repent.

 

[Speak2Me]

I hate it when people say "they teach a few bad things, but they're generally good, so they're not going to Hell for it"

The Bible declares if we don't confess & repent of our sins, we become rebels & will be held accountable for it.

What else will happen to a person that doesn't believe in confessing & repenting of sin?

Their sins won't be forgiven if they won't repent.

 

[Muzungu256]

Do you mean besides it's not doctrine? It's JP creating a strategic business plan built on the finances and hardships of others, and getting free workers to promote it for him.

its the theme song u see.......

[video=youtube;JvHuQ4QoRyU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHuQ4QoRyU[/video]

 

[Muzungu256]

True preachers will never be popular today.

this could be true u see....... popularity i dont think is a sign of being right or wrong tho.

its sometimes hard to overstand how the Lord operates.

 

[preacher4truth]

It is unfortunate that the KJV used the word "hell" for Hades.

That's just one error in that Version. There are many more.

 

[preacher4truth]

The OP is ate up with following false teachers. Prince, Copeland, Dollar? Each one of these teachers are "deceiving and being deceived."

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I wonder if Jimmy Swaggart knows he's got someone plugging his teachings here

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wonder if anyone read the rules of this forum, and how we are not supposed to open attack threads against certain people or a doctrine?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Confessing & forsaking sin is true repentance. The church is told to repent of sin all thru the NT. Revelation shows Jesus telling the churches to repent.

We are also taught to confess our sins to one another.

Dollar if full of sumthin, but it ain't the Holy Ghost.

This is false doctrine that Prince & Dollar both teach. False teachers will be condemned to Hell if they don't repent.

so this thread is a trifecta now

full a sumthin is about it...