Are you saved if you are not obedient?
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The great paradox. And this is what many,many believers end up doing.
They are born-again and deceived into thinking that their battle is sin. They focus on sin. They 'fight' their sin and even 'win' some battles. and they are in greater bondage to sin now than before they were born-again.
They spend a lifetime of worthless works trying to clean up something that was not redeemed and will NOT get better. The flesh.
And spent very little time in the Spirit and walking in the Spirit.
They are born-again and deceived into thinking that their battle is sin. They focus on sin. They 'fight' their sin and even 'win' some battles. and they are in greater bondage to sin now than before they were born-again.
They spend a lifetime of worthless works trying to clean up something that was not redeemed and will NOT get better. The flesh.
And spent very little time in the Spirit and walking in the Spirit.
You have worded that first sentence wrong Mr. Ralph. We are no longer flesh when we are Spirit. And the Spirit of Christ is the truth of His Cross and ressurection from the dead. We believe this. The dunamis power is the baptism of Holy Spirit and gifts given to men.
In flesh means a natural man. Born into this world. Dead in sin through Adam, because we too are bent to sin. In Spirit means born into the body of Jesus Christ. A world so to speak, of righteousness. His body. We live, move, have our very being in Him. Alive unto God.
Complete identification with Jesus in all that He had on earth.
Our identity is our power on earth both materially, and spiritually.
In flesh means a natural man. Born into this world. Dead in sin through Adam, because we too are bent to sin. In Spirit means born into the body of Jesus Christ. A world so to speak, of righteousness. His body. We live, move, have our very being in Him. Alive unto God.
Complete identification with Jesus in all that He had on earth.
Our identity is our power on earth both materially, and spiritually.
That speech is almost the opposite of what Jesus said “Many” who call Him Lord, Lord, but He doesn’t know, in Matt. 7 23, would experience.
Your rendition it seems, would go like this.
Lord, Lord, didn’t we follow your instruction and not mans traditions? Didn’t we bring every thought into the obedience of Christ as your Apostles said to do? But your Jesus will declare, depart from me, you who strive to walk even as I walked.
I think Ralph believes in the Jesus of the Bible.
Your rendition it seems, would go like this.
Lord, Lord, didn’t we follow your instruction and not mans traditions? Didn’t we bring every thought into the obedience of Christ as your Apostles said to do? But your Jesus will declare, depart from me, you who strive to walk even as I walked.
I think Ralph believes in the Jesus of the Bible.
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