Are you saved if you are not obedient?
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Why did John say the one's who know Him were obedient? You answer it so we can know what you're trying to get at. I can only guess you want to make the point because they were born again. Which is what I've been saying all along. Disobedient people still in the bondage of sin, in the flesh Paul calls it, do not belong to Christ. They are not born again.
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Why do Romans 7 people always bring Once Saved Always Saved into a discussion about the necessity of obedience in salvation? Obviously, it's important to them because they have to rationalize not being able to pass the obedience test. If you've noticed, OSAS always trumps the Biblical teaching that obedience is the sign of the born again believer. Surely you have noticed that.
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Yes, obedience does not make one saved. The Prodigal Son was very disobedient, but he was received back home. Peter was disobedient, and denied Christ three times. Jonah was disobedient, Abraham was disobedient, Moses was disobedient, John Mark was disobedient, Samuel was disobedient, Noah was disobedient, Elijah was disobedient, David was disobedient. The list goes on and on and on.
People who are saved WON’T stay disobedient. They’ll either come back or be removed from life by dying.
Salvation is a gift- not of works, lest any man should boast.
People who are saved WON’T stay disobedient. They’ll either come back or be removed from life by dying.
Salvation is a gift- not of works, lest any man should boast.
Please address the verse. Nothing about breaking laws. Nothing about sin.
These folks were doing "great" and 'good' works....in His name. And Jesus Christ described them as lawless and He never knew them.
Never truly trusting in Christ and His personal work for us and relying on their own 'good' is lawlessness.
These folks were doing "great" and 'good' works....in His name. And Jesus Christ described them as lawless and He never knew them.
Never truly trusting in Christ and His personal work for us and relying on their own 'good' is lawlessness.
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Lol.. I do not focus on obedience, that is called legalism, which is what your profession. Because your focusing on obedience, and not faith.
I focus on true repentance and true faith. Those who have true faith will have true obedience. Those who do not may appear to be obedient, but have never seen God or known him, and on the last day will be case out, because they were condemned because of unbelief, just like john said.
I focus on true repentance and true faith. Those who have true faith will have true obedience. Those who do not may appear to be obedient, but have never seen God or known him, and on the last day will be case out, because they were condemned because of unbelief, just like john said.
Deal with the verses in question please.
Matt 7 and the verses in question are those who thought they were obedient. They did 'good' works, even in His name. And the Lord said they practiced lawlessness and he never knew them.
They missed something. Trusting in Christ and HIS work.
If we are not saved, we CANNOT do good works. Because good/divine works require the Holy Spirit.
Don't try to be saved by your evidence or obedience to how he lived or His morality. None can measure up. He offered you a way out of that mess........take it! Acts 16:31.
And a side note......many fall into the trap that they need to clean up the flesh and are rarely Spirit filled and walking in the Spirit. Does not mean they are not saved though.
But we will not advance as believers and grow in His grace and knowledge if we think that our job is to clean up our flesh.
Be filled with the Spirit and walk in the Spirit.
Matt 7 and the verses in question are those who thought they were obedient. They did 'good' works, even in His name. And the Lord said they practiced lawlessness and he never knew them.
They missed something. Trusting in Christ and HIS work.
If we are not saved, we CANNOT do good works. Because good/divine works require the Holy Spirit.
Don't try to be saved by your evidence or obedience to how he lived or His morality. None can measure up. He offered you a way out of that mess........take it! Acts 16:31.
And a side note......many fall into the trap that they need to clean up the flesh and are rarely Spirit filled and walking in the Spirit. Does not mean they are not saved though.
But we will not advance as believers and grow in His grace and knowledge if we think that our job is to clean up our flesh.
Be filled with the Spirit and walk in the Spirit.
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