WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
- Thread starter LightShinesInTheDarkness
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
The only prophets that I know are some dead guys in the prophetic books in the bible. If you are a prophet then everything you predict must happen with 100% certainty. You are not a prophet but you may be a messenger. Perhaps this is closer to who you believe you are and your purpose here on earth.
The only prophets that I know are some dead guys in the prophetic books in the bible. If you are a prophet then everything you predict must happen with 100% certainty. You are not a prophet but you may be a messenger. Perhaps this is closer to who you believe you are and your purpose here on earth.
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
Don't get stressed, Roger.
It's not that anything is lacking in the word of God, but prophets are one of the five "equipping" ministries in the church (Eph 4:11). Sometimes people need to hear from God. The prophet Agabus warned Paul not to go to Jerusalem. As did the four daughters in Acts 21:9.
I believe there are prophets in the Christian church.
No.
Isaiah's prophesy to Hezekiah failed in Isa 38:1 failed, and he was not stoned.
Jonah's prophesy to Nineveh in Jonah 3:4 failed, and he was not stoned.
Prophesy can change when circumstances change.
Don't get stressed, Roger.
It's not that anything is lacking in the word of God, but prophets are one of the five "equipping" ministries in the church (Eph 4:11). Sometimes people need to hear from God. The prophet Agabus warned Paul not to go to Jerusalem. As did the four daughters in Acts 21:9.
I believe there are prophets in the Christian church.
No.
Isaiah's prophesy to Hezekiah failed in Isa 38:1 failed, and he was not stoned.
Jonah's prophesy to Nineveh in Jonah 3:4 failed, and he was not stoned.
Prophesy can change when circumstances change.
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
The Lord has reiterated the soon-ness of the tribulation and the things I have mentioned through what He has led me to and explained to me from the Bible, speaking heart to Heart as a teacher speaks to a student or a man to his friend. He has given me insights in the night and at other times while I have communed with Him in my heart, sometimes with words, sometimes with wordless understanding (that's the best way I can describe it---communication of a thought without words, but still conveying it as clearly as though it were with words); and those revelations are accompanied by the Scriptures that support/explain them. The reiteration of these truths by the two means I mentioned, together with the observable prophesied apostasy of the saints at this time, which agrees with what is described in 2 Timothy 3, and the faith the Lord has given me to know it, are the reasons for my conviction and declaring that God is about to judge His disobedient people (1 Peter 4:17).
No one knows the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we DO know that it will be on the LAST day of the great tribulation, which will be approximately 3 1/2 years long ('shortened'/'cut in half' by God, for the sake of the elect---that's us---from the original 7 years mentioned in Daniel.) The tribulation will begin when the mark of the beast is implemented and the worship of his image instituted, and the judgments of God begin to be poured out on the unsaved. That is when we can start counting down to Christ's return, on the last day of the tribulation---if it is His will for us to remain on the earth until that day.
The wrath to which Christians are not appointed is the wrath of the lake of fire, and the wrath of the judgments God will be pouring out on the world during the tribulation, which will not affect the Christians who will also be on the earth at that time. Christians who choose not to remain in Christ during the tribulation and who take the mark, will fare the same as those who have never known Him. The testing of the tribulation is not God's wrath. It is the wrath of Satan, but not of God; and it is by God's purpose and His will that we will be tested by persecution during this time.
(None of what I have just said will make one bit of difference to the hard-hearted. They will only scoff, as they have been scoffing on this thread. But hopefully some will listen and take heed. I encourage other believers to research these things for themselves to know that they are true---with clean hands and a pure heart, and a good conscience toward God (no known sins), so that He may give them the understanding and confirmation they need about it.)
The Lord has reiterated the soon-ness of the tribulation and the things I have mentioned through what He has led me to and explained to me from the Bible, speaking heart to Heart as a teacher speaks to a student or a man to his friend. He has given me insights in the night and at other times while I have communed with Him in my heart, sometimes with words, sometimes with wordless understanding (that's the best way I can describe it---communication of a thought without words, but still conveying it as clearly as though it were with words); and those revelations are accompanied by the Scriptures that support/explain them. The reiteration of these truths by the two means I mentioned, together with the observable prophesied apostasy of the saints at this time, which agrees with what is described in 2 Timothy 3, and the faith the Lord has given me to know it, are the reasons for my conviction and declaring that God is about to judge His disobedient people (1 Peter 4:17).
No one knows the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we DO know that it will be on the LAST day of the great tribulation, which will be approximately 3 1/2 years long ('shortened'/'cut in half' by God, for the sake of the elect---that's us---from the original 7 years mentioned in Daniel.) The tribulation will begin when the mark of the beast is implemented and the worship of his image instituted, and the judgments of God begin to be poured out on the unsaved. That is when we can start counting down to Christ's return, on the last day of the tribulation---if it is His will for us to remain on the earth until that day.
The wrath to which Christians are not appointed is the wrath of the lake of fire, and the wrath of the judgments God will be pouring out on the world during the tribulation, which will not affect the Christians who will also be on the earth at that time. Christians who choose not to remain in Christ during the tribulation and who take the mark, will fare the same as those who have never known Him. The testing of the tribulation is not God's wrath. It is the wrath of Satan, but not of God; and it is by God's purpose and His will that we will be tested by persecution during this time.
(None of what I have just said will make one bit of difference to the hard-hearted. They will only scoff, as they have been scoffing on this thread. But hopefully some will listen and take heed. I encourage other believers to research these things for themselves to know that they are true---with clean hands and a pure heart, and a good conscience toward God (no known sins), so that He may give them the understanding and confirmation they need about it.)
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
1. Prophets were men who spoke the very words of God by Divine revelation (2 Pet 1:21).
2. The apostles and prophets are now found in the Bible only, since the book of Revelation closed out genuine prophecies (Rev 22:18,19)
3. The Church is built upon the "foundation" of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone (Eph 2:20). This foundation is Scripture itself, and all that needed to be revealed has been revealed.
4. There are no contemporary prophets, although there are pastors, evangelists, and teachers to expound on what was revealed through the apostles and prophets (Eph 4:11). So you can take your pick as to what the Lord has called you to do.
5. As to the OP, yes we are in the midst of the great apostasy (or falling away from the truth) which was already prophesied, and the time is fast approaching for the Antichrist to be revealed. At the same time, there is no question that there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church before that happens. That is the only way that the Restrainer of Satan -- the Holy Spirit Himself -- can be "taken out of the way", so that the Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet can take full control of this earth for 3 1/2 years. (2 Thess 2:6,7)
6. The Gospel will be preached even while the Antichrist is in control (Rev 11:3) and even during the Great Tribulation (Rev 14:6). So there will be Tribulation saints who will be martyred and then resurrected (Rev 20:4).
1. Prophets were men who spoke the very words of God by Divine revelation (2 Pet 1:21).
2. The apostles and prophets are now found in the Bible only, since the book of Revelation closed out genuine prophecies (Rev 22:18,19)
3. The Church is built upon the "foundation" of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone (Eph 2:20). This foundation is Scripture itself, and all that needed to be revealed has been revealed.
4. There are no contemporary prophets, although there are pastors, evangelists, and teachers to expound on what was revealed through the apostles and prophets (Eph 4:11). So you can take your pick as to what the Lord has called you to do.
5. As to the OP, yes we are in the midst of the great apostasy (or falling away from the truth) which was already prophesied, and the time is fast approaching for the Antichrist to be revealed. At the same time, there is no question that there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church before that happens. That is the only way that the Restrainer of Satan -- the Holy Spirit Himself -- can be "taken out of the way", so that the Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet can take full control of this earth for 3 1/2 years. (2 Thess 2:6,7)
6. The Gospel will be preached even while the Antichrist is in control (Rev 11:3) and even during the Great Tribulation (Rev 14:6). So there will be Tribulation saints who will be martyred and then resurrected (Rev 20:4).
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
That's right. He was wrong. God tried to warn him numerous times not to go to Jerusalem.
He went anyway.
I believe Eph 4:11 is true.
Prophesy sometimes does.
Please read this and explain how Isaiah's prophesy to Hezekiah did not change.
Isa 38:
1) In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.
2) Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD,
3) And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4) Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,
5) Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
That's right. He was wrong. God tried to warn him numerous times not to go to Jerusalem.
He went anyway.
I believe Eph 4:11 is true.
Prophesy sometimes does.
Please read this and explain how Isaiah's prophesy to Hezekiah did not change.
Isa 38:
1) In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.
2) Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD,
3) And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4) Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,
5) Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
There are also female prophets (cp Ex 15:10; Judg 4:4; 2 Kings 22:14; Luke 2:36, and a couple more.)
Rev 22:18-19 does not say that genuine prophesies ceased.
This does not mean there are no prophets in the Christian church today.
I am not saying that LightShinesInTheDarkness is a prophetess, in fact I do not agree with several things she has said. But you're dead wrong in stating there are no more prophets (or apostles..).
Generally agree.
Yep.
There are also female prophets (cp Ex 15:10; Judg 4:4; 2 Kings 22:14; Luke 2:36, and a couple more.)
Rev 22:18-19 does not say that genuine prophesies ceased.
This does not mean there are no prophets in the Christian church today.
I am not saying that LightShinesInTheDarkness is a prophetess, in fact I do not agree with several things she has said. But you're dead wrong in stating there are no more prophets (or apostles..).
Generally agree.
Yep.
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
It does not have to. Since they are TWO WITNESSES FOR GOD AND CHRIST, can you imagine them not preaching the Gospel at that time? Just because the Bible does not state things explicitly does not mean that they are false.
What did Jesus tell His apostles when He said that they would be witnesses unto Him? Did He not tell them to preach the Gospel to every creature? And does not the flying angel in Revelation 14 preach the EVERLASTING GOSPEL. One would think that Christians -- of all people -- should be able to connect the dots.
It does not have to. Since they are TWO WITNESSES FOR GOD AND CHRIST, can you imagine them not preaching the Gospel at that time? Just because the Bible does not state things explicitly does not mean that they are false.
What did Jesus tell His apostles when He said that they would be witnesses unto Him? Did He not tell them to preach the Gospel to every creature? And does not the flying angel in Revelation 14 preach the EVERLASTING GOSPEL. One would think that Christians -- of all people -- should be able to connect the dots.
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
Here's another fallacy from a person who claims to be a prophet.
Was Michael the archangel able to even rebuke the Devil when contending over the body of Moses?
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (Jude 9).
If he could not even do that, how could he possibly restrain the Devil? Yes, he is sent to war against the Devil and his angels, but unless God Himself restrains the Devil, no one can do so. Thus it is God or Christ who sends an angel with a chain to bind the Devil before the start of the Millennium. Angels and archangels do not take the initiative against Satan unless commanded by God.
Here's another fallacy from a person who claims to be a prophet.
Was Michael the archangel able to even rebuke the Devil when contending over the body of Moses?
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (Jude 9).
If he could not even do that, how could he possibly restrain the Devil? Yes, he is sent to war against the Devil and his angels, but unless God Himself restrains the Devil, no one can do so. Thus it is God or Christ who sends an angel with a chain to bind the Devil before the start of the Millennium. Angels and archangels do not take the initiative against Satan unless commanded by God.
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
Well said... But the great caution that all Christians must be warned about.. that in the end times lying signs and wonders false prophecies will be being done.. Part of the end times great deception.. So two people will be having dreams and one will be getting their dreams from God and the other from satan and both will declare their dream came from God.. Two people will see visions and again one will be seeing a vision from God and the next will be seeing a vision by demonic powers and both will claim their vision is from God..
So we come back to where real eternal security can be found... In accepting the true Gospel message which is called the Love of the truth in scripture.. That is where security is.. If we are in that position of belief and trust we shall be guarded by the Holy Spirit from all deception.. The following portion of scripture encapsulates all that i have been saying to you in this post::
2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. {5} Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? {6} And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. {7} For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. {8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
As for prophecy existing after John the baptist .. Paul encouraged people in His letter to desire then gift of prophecy.. If prophecy had ended with John then Paul would never have been encouraging people to desire the gift of prophecy..
1 Corinthians 14:KJV
1 "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."
And in the Book of Revelation, John who lived long after the death of john the baptist delivered prophecy from God to his fellow saints.. Indeed the book is mostly to do with prophecy..
Well said... But the great caution that all Christians must be warned about.. that in the end times lying signs and wonders false prophecies will be being done.. Part of the end times great deception.. So two people will be having dreams and one will be getting their dreams from God and the other from satan and both will declare their dream came from God.. Two people will see visions and again one will be seeing a vision from God and the next will be seeing a vision by demonic powers and both will claim their vision is from God..
So we come back to where real eternal security can be found... In accepting the true Gospel message which is called the Love of the truth in scripture.. That is where security is.. If we are in that position of belief and trust we shall be guarded by the Holy Spirit from all deception.. The following portion of scripture encapsulates all that i have been saying to you in this post::
2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. {5} Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? {6} And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. {7} For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. {8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
As for prophecy existing after John the baptist .. Paul encouraged people in His letter to desire then gift of prophecy.. If prophecy had ended with John then Paul would never have been encouraging people to desire the gift of prophecy..
1 Corinthians 14:KJV
1 "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."
And in the Book of Revelation, John who lived long after the death of john the baptist delivered prophecy from God to his fellow saints.. Indeed the book is mostly to do with prophecy..
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
Hard tack---lol,,,you need to test some of my wifes yeast rolls, you would change your mind.
Have a blessed one
Blade
I've never eaten hard-tack to know what it truly is, but I made some bread before the yeast did its thing, and it was hard enough to break teeth. I kind of think that's what hard-tack was probably like. lol
Close?
I can do it again, if anyone needs a door stop.
Close?
I can do it again, if anyone needs a door stop.
Hard tack---lol,,,you need to test some of my wifes yeast rolls, you would change your mind.
Have a blessed one
Blade
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
That's the ol' Lynn I know. I guess I won't have a heart attack after all, she's gone back to the usual.
I've never eaten hard-tack to know what it truly is, but I made some bread before the yeast did its thing, and it was hard enough to break teeth. I kind of think that's what hard-tack was probably like. lol
Close?
I can do it again, if anyone needs a door stop.
Close?
I can do it again, if anyone needs a door stop.