Trying to understand

Hizikyah · Dec 26, 2017

He Himself says "after the tribulation" here:

Mat 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

Also peale look at that thread I linked to in post 37 I beleive it Scriptually shows all of this.

A snippet:

Seventh seal

Revelation 8:1-6, "And when He opened the seventh seal, there came to be silence in the heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven messengers who stand before יהוה, and to them were given seven trumpets. And another messenger came and stood at the slaughter-place, holding a golden censer, and much incense was given to him, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the set-apart ones upon the golden slaughter-place which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the set-apart ones, went up before יהוה from the hand of the messenger. And the messenger took the censer, and filled it with fire from the slaughter-place, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, and thunders, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven messengers who held the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

This shows us the 7 Trumpets are
contained
within the 7th Seal;

"And when He opened the seventh seal,...the seven messengers who stand before יהוה, and to them were given seven trumpets...the seven messengers who held the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

shrume · Dec 26, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Jesus is not speaking of the rapture there. He is speaking of his return TO earth, which we agree will happen after the trib.

I do not agree.

shrume · Dec 26, 2017

shrume said:

...but I'm not closing the door on the possibility...

TrustingGod4life · Dec 26, 2017

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The Lord equipped you with all necessary Mom-gene you need. That you are worried about your babies tells me that. That's what being a mom is all about, making sure those kids grow up in the best possible way. (Not to be confused with you'll be Perfect Mom. You won't. But you are already driven to care for them the mostest. Mom-gene may not be scientifically verifiable, but there is something of Mama Bear in every woman, and it gets fercier when the woman has children. lol)

And he equips you for life every moment of every day. More so when you seek him to fill every moment of every day.

He gives us two lessons in life -- that he loves us even more than you love your children. (Seems impossible, doesn't it? I don't get that either, but he promised us that, and he doesn't lie, so it must be true.) And that we trust him.

Know he loves you so very, very much. And trust him to guide you and your babies. And, really notice when he does show he is trustworthy. Not so much that he proves himself, but that you can lean more and more on him after he keeps proving he's trustworthy.

All in all, if you learn that, how can you're infants NOT learn that? Because you're already Momma and want what is best for them. So you will be raising them in what you believe. And the older they get, the older you get. And the older you get, the more proof behind you that the Lord loves you and is trustworthy.

We know, for sure, 4000 years of history on what God has done. (Prehistoric just means what happened before we had any historic documents telling us what happened, so we've been around longer than that. We just don't have much documentation of what happened back then.) So far, it's working just like he planned it. Even on North Korea. Even in the Middle East. Even in Pitman, New Jersey and Boise, Idaho.

Bad stuff will happen. It always happens. BUT we can never predict what the bad stuff will be. So just trust the Lord loves you, and he will make sure you and your kids make it through just as he planned too.

That said -- infants? As in twins, or close births? How many babies do you have to worry about so far?

(My mom had three kids in 26 months. I cannot imagine how she stayed sane with that many babies in one house. lol)

Awwww thank you! I'm trying to raise them up with the Word of God and to pray and tell them bible history. They are 1 and 2. 16 months apart. And one has a delay but that's ok thankful anyways.

TrustingGod4life · Dec 26, 2017

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Learn what happened to the Christians in the first century, and then ask yourself, "Wasn't that "Great Tribulation'?"

Will we go through it again? Some already are. Try being a Christian in that same area today -- the Middle East. If the government doesn't kill you first, your neighbors will.

God is gracious to us in giving us a home free from that. No where in history does it ever say we will remain free from that. Nor does it say anywhere in scripture that we're all doomed to that.

Nothing to worry about though. Those Middle Eastern Christians of the first century and 21st century didn't get special genes to equip them. They got the same that we get to equip us -- Jesus himself.

Oh ok. No matter what I just want to learn and be aware to help others to know

notuptome · Dec 26, 2017

You will get a million answers to the question about the tribulation. None of them matter all that much. Christians are not going to experience the great tribulation and the end of the age. Scripture states we are not appointed to wrath so we are out. The church does not experience tribulation as that is for Israel to prepare them to see Christ who is their Messiah returning to save them from utter destruction.

Persecution and buffeting we have but not tribulation of the type and nature described for the end of the age.

Settle your faith on Christ and tell others how to be saved for that is the commission given to all who name the name of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

TrustingGod4life · Dec 26, 2017

notuptome said:

You will get a million answers to the question about the tribulation. None of them matter all that much. Christians are not going to experience the great tribulation and the end of the age. Scripture states we are not appointed to wrath so we are out. The church does not experience tribulation as that is for Israel to prepare them to see Christ who is their Messiah returning to save them from utter destruction.

Persecution and buffeting we have but not tribulation of the type and nature described for the end of the age.

Settle your faith on Christ and tell others how to be saved for that is the commission given to all who name the name of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Thank you Rodger. God Bless. Could I ask a question to you? Why does God want wrath to be on Israel I bought they were His chosen people?

Hizikyah · Dec 26, 2017

Ezekiel 22:18-22, “Son of man, the house of Yisra’ĕl has become dross to Me. All of them are bronze, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of a furnace – they have become the dross of silver. Therefore thus said the Master יהוה, ‘Because all of you have become dross, therefore see, I am gathering you into the midst of Yerushalayim. As they gather silver, and bronze, and iron, and lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt it, so I gather you in My displeasure and in My wrath. And I shall blow and melt you. And I shall gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so are you melted in its midst. And you shall know that I, יהוה, have poured out My wrath on you.”

Isaiah 4:4, “When יהוה has washed away the filth of the daughters of Tsiyon, and rinsed away the blood of Yerushalayim from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning,”

Matthew 13:24-30, “Another parable He put before them, saying, “The reign of the heavens has become like a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed darnel (tares) among the wheat and went away. And when the blade sprouted and bore fruit, then the darnel (tares) also appeared. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? From where then does it have the darnel (tares)?’ And he said to them, ‘A man, an enemy did this.’ And the servants said to him, ‘Do you wish then, that we go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the darnel (tares) you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I shall say to the reapers, “First gather the darnel (tares) and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my granary.”

Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 13-1-10, “Thus [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to me, “Go and get yourself a linen belt, and put it on your loins, but do not put it in water. So I bought a belt according to the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and put it on my loins. And the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]came to me the second time, saying, Take the belt that you have bought, which is on your loins, and arise, go to the Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole in the rock.” And I went and hid it by the Euphrates, as [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]commanded me. And it came to be after many days that [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to me, “Arise, go to the Euphrates, and take from there the belt which I commanded you to hide there. So I went to the Euphrates and dug, and I took the belt from the place where I had hidden it. And there was the belt, ruined. It was completely useless. And the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]came to me, saying, Thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], ‘Thus I ruin the pride of Yehuḏah and the great pride of Yerushalayim. This evil people, who refuse to hear My Words, who walk in the stubbornness of their heart, and walk after other mighty ones to serve them and to bow themselves to them, is like this belt which is completely useless.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 50:1-11, "50:1, "Thus says [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Where is the certificate of your mother’s divorce, whom I have put away? Or which of My creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Look, you were sold for your crookedness, and your mother was put away for your transgressions."50:2, "“When I came, why was there no man? When I called, why was there no one to answer? Was My hand too short to ransom? Or have I no power to deliver? See, by My rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness; their fish stink for there is not water, and die of thirst."50:3, "“I clothe the heavens with darkness, and I make sackcloth their covering.”"50:4, "The Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has given Me the tongue of taught ones, that I should know to help the weary with a word. He wakes Me morning by morning, he wakes My ear to hear as taught ones."50:5, "The Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has opened My ear, and I was not rebellious, nor did I turn away."50:6, "I gave My back to those who struck Me, and My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard, I did not hide My face from humiliation and spitting."50:7, "And the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]helps Me, therefore I shall not be humiliated. So I have set My face like a flint, and I know that I am not put to shame."50:8, "Near is He who declares Me right. Who would contend with Me? Let us stand together. Who is My adversary? Let him come near Me."50:9, "See, the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]helps Me. Who would declare Me wrong? See, all of them wear out like a garment, a moth eats them."50:10, "Who among you is fearing [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], obeying the voice of His Servant, that has walked in darkness and has no light? Let him trust in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and lean upon his Strength!"50:11, "See, all you who light a fire, girding on burning arrows: walk in the light of your fire and in the burning arrows you have lit. From My hand you shall have this: you shall lie down in grief!"[/FONT]

notuptome · Dec 26, 2017

TrustingGod4life said:

Israel is disobedient toward God. God told them to be faithful and they would be blessed. When they are not faithful but become apostate they are judged of God. They are carried away into captivity and made to suffer persecution. They rejected Christ and are blinded to their Messiah until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

They will repent and receive Christ at the end of the age. They will look upon Him whom they have pierced and weep.

God will fulfill His promises to Israel but He must chastise them before they will return to Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

MattforJesus · Dec 26, 2017

notuptome said:

God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and when they do then He can end this sin business on earth.

The first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,so the saints will remain on earth,and the wrath of God is not poured on them.

The 6 trumpets is not the wrath of God,but warnings to turn to Him,but after the 6th trumpet they do not turn to God,and the transgressors are come to the full,and He gives them the man of sin to rule over them,and deceive all people who do not love God,and when they take the mark of the beast then repentance,and salvation,are no longer available to the world.

Now the saints can be gathered unto Christ,but God allows the man of sin to rule for three and one half years,and he has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,and they make war against the saints for three and one half years,and those that remain will be caught up at the end of the three and one half years,so God's wrath is not during that time,for He is allowing the beast to rule during that time,for if His wrath was upon them then how does He have power to rule,and they persecute the saints during that time.

The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period,for He is giving the world their way for the 7 years period,and the saints will be on earth during that time.

The wrath of God is after the 7 years period.

That is why Paul said let no one deceive you by any means,for the saints being gathered unto Christ will not happen until there is a falling away first,which is when the world will not endure the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,the new age movement interpretation of the Bible based on spiritual evolution through nature,and Christianity will rapidly decline in impacting the world,that will lead to the beast kingdom,and the man of sin claims to be God.

The Bible says that Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack,and the 2 witnesses rain fire,and plagues,against all who try to stop them from reaching out to Israel.

The Bible says the beast shall persecute all who keep the commandments of God,and hold the testimony of Jesus,which is all Jew and Gentile saints,but the nation of Israel is protected from physical attack until the 7 years period is over,and then the saints are gathered unto Christ,and then the world attacks Jerusalem,Jews,and Jesus comes back with the saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel.

TrustingGod4life · Dec 26, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Ezekiel 22:18-22, “Son of man, the house of Yisra’ĕl has become dross to Me. All of them are bronze, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of a furnace – they have become the dross of silver. Therefore thus said the Master יהוה, ‘Because all of you have become dross, therefore see, I am gathering you into the midst of Yerushalayim. As they gather silver, and bronze, and iron, and lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt it, so I gather you in My displeasure and in My wrath. And I shall blow and melt you. And I shall gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so are you melted in its midst. And you shall know that I, יהוה, have poured out My wrath on you.”

Isaiah 4:4, “When יהוה has washed away the filth of the daughters of Tsiyon, and rinsed away the blood of Yerushalayim from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning,”

Matthew 13:24-30, “Another parable He put before them, saying, “The reign of the heavens has become like a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed darnel (tares) among the wheat and went away. And when the blade sprouted and bore fruit, then the darnel (tares) also appeared. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? From where then does it have the darnel (tares)?’ And he said to them, ‘A man, an enemy did this.’ And the servants said to him, ‘Do you wish then, that we go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the darnel (tares) you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I shall say to the reapers, “First gather the darnel (tares) and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my granary.”

Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 13-1-10, “Thus [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to me, “Go and get yourself a linen belt, and put it on your loins, but do not put it in water. So I bought a belt according to the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and put it on my loins. And the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]came to me the second time, saying, Take the belt that you have bought, which is on your loins, and arise, go to the Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole in the rock.” And I went and hid it by the Euphrates, as [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]commanded me. And it came to be after many days that [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to me, “Arise, go to the Euphrates, and take from there the belt which I commanded you to hide there. So I went to the Euphrates and dug, and I took the belt from the place where I had hidden it. And there was the belt, ruined. It was completely useless. And the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]came to me, saying, Thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], ‘Thus I ruin the pride of Yehuḏah and the great pride of Yerushalayim. This evil people, who refuse to hear My Words, who walk in the stubbornness of their heart, and walk after other mighty ones to serve them and to bow themselves to them, is like this belt which is completely useless.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 50:1-11, "50:1, "Thus says [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Where is the certificate of your mother’s divorce, whom I have put away? Or which of My creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Look, you were sold for your crookedness, and your mother was put away for your transgressions."50:2, "“When I came, why was there no man? When I called, why was there no one to answer? Was My hand too short to ransom? Or have I no power to deliver? See, by My rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness; their fish stink for there is not water, and die of thirst."50:3, "“I clothe the heavens with darkness, and I make sackcloth their covering.”"50:4, "The Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has given Me the tongue of taught ones, that I should know to help the weary with a word. He wakes Me morning by morning, he wakes My ear to hear as taught ones."50:5, "The Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has opened My ear, and I was not rebellious, nor did I turn away."50:6, "I gave My back to those who struck Me, and My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard, I did not hide My face from humiliation and spitting."50:7, "And the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]helps Me, therefore I shall not be humiliated. So I have set My face like a flint, and I know that I am not put to shame."50:8, "Near is He who declares Me right. Who would contend with Me? Let us stand together. Who is My adversary? Let him come near Me."50:9, "See, the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]helps Me. Who would declare Me wrong? See, all of them wear out like a garment, a moth eats them."50:10, "Who among you is fearing [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], obeying the voice of His Servant, that has walked in darkness and has no light? Let him trust in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and lean upon his Strength!"50:11, "See, all you who light a fire, girding on burning arrows: walk in the light of your fire and in the burning arrows you have lit. From My hand you shall have this: you shall lie down in grief!"[/FONT]

Thank you so much!

Hizikyah · Dec 26, 2017

TrustingGod4life said:

Thank you, you questions and thus the reflection of your heart has reminded me of truth, the narrow path and seeking that first love that eagerness to follow Yah. This world may not be easy but it is a small wonder compared to what blessing is to come for His people.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniel 10:10-12, “And see, a hand touched me, and set me trembling on my knees and on the palms of my hands. And he said to me, “O Dani’yl, man greatly appreciated, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” And while he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling. And he said to me, “Do not fear, Dani’yl, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand and to humble yourself before your Mighty One, your words were heard, and I have come because of your words.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 13:14, "For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, New Yerusalem (YHWH Shammah), coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YHWH SHAMMAH (YHWH Is There)."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:4-8 And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful. And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:13-18, “For if you live according to the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of Yah, these are sons (and daughters) of Yah. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, Abba, Father. The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of Yah, and if children, also heirs – truly heirs of Yah, and co-heirs with Messiah, if indeed we suffer with Him, in order that we also be exalted together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the esteem that is to be revealed in us.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 16:11, “[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You show me the path of life; In Your presence is joy to satisfaction; At Your right hand are pleasures forever[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT] [/FONT]

Psalms 16:8-10, “I have set [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT]always before me; Because He is at my right hand I am not shaken. Therefore my heart was glad, and my esteem rejoices; My flesh also dwells in safety. For You do not leave my being in She’ol, Neither let Your Lovingly-committed One see corruption.”

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notuptome · Dec 26, 2017

MattforJesus said:

God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and when they do then He can end this sin business on earth.

The first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,so the saints will remain on earth,and the wrath of God is not poured on them.

The 6 trumpets is not the wrath of God,but warnings to turn to Him,but after the 6th trumpet they do not turn to God,and the transgressors are come to the full,and He gives them the man of sin to rule over them,and deceive all people who do not love God,and when they take the mark of the beast then repentance,and salvation,are no longer available to the world.

Now the saints can be gathered unto Christ,but God allows the man of sin to rule for three and one half years,and he has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,and they make war against the saints for three and one half years,and those that remain will be caught up at the end of the three and one half years,so God's wrath is not during that time,for He is allowing the beast to rule during that time,for if His wrath was upon them then how does He have power to rule,and they persecute the saints during that time.

The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period,for He is giving the world their way for the 7 years period,and the saints will be on earth during that time.

The wrath of God is after the 7 years period.

That is why Paul said let no one deceive you by any means,for the saints being gathered unto Christ will not happen until there is a falling away first,which is when the world will not endure the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,the new age movement interpretation of the Bible based on spiritual evolution through nature,and Christianity will rapidly decline in impacting the world,that will lead to the beast kingdom,and the man of sin claims to be God.

The Bible says that Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack,and the 2 witnesses rain fire,and plagues,against all who try to stop them from reaching out to Israel.

The Bible says the beast shall persecute all who keep the commandments of God,and hold the testimony of Jesus,which is all Jew and Gentile saints,but the nation of Israel is protected from physical attack until the 7 years period is over,and then the saints are gathered unto Christ,and then the world attacks Jerusalem,Jews,and Jesus comes back with the saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel.

I do not see Christ allowing His bride the church which is chaste and pure to be subject to the tribulation.

During the tribulation the 144,000 who will preach the gospel will be Jewish and those tribulation saints will be more Jewish than Gentile.

I have my opinion and you have yours. I guess we will just have to sit back and watch what God does when He does it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Waggles · Dec 26, 2017

TrustingGod4life said:

The short answer is YES
By your endurance or by your patience ye shall save your souls.
It has always been about overcoming and be more than conquerors.

There is no salvation for quitters or those who become worldly and do not separate themselves
from the world and become indistinguishable from sinners.

As a Pentecostal Christian I believe that one must be born again or born new
according to scripture Acts 2;38-39 and Mark 16:15-18
with the sign or Bible evidence of praying in a new tongue by the Spirit.

One will truly need the power and presence of the indwelling Holy Spirit to survive the
fire and the pestilence [nuclear war and radiation, fire and burning] that will come on
the whole Earth.
Only by praying in tongues - praying in the Holy Ghost - will a Christian have divine
protection during all of this.

9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you,
and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead,
even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1Thessalonians 1:

Paul and the other apostles are writing about the first century church wherein
all disciples were baptized by full immersion and also baptized in the Holy Spirit
and all spoke in tongues.

Waggles · Dec 26, 2017

1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea,
and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up,
saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in
his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Malachi 4:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store,
reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens
shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye
to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Peter 3:

dcontroversal · Dec 26, 2017

The word keep is applied unto the faithful church in Philadelphia.....it means to guard from loss, injury or harm...serve God faithfully....the rest will take care of itself....post tribulation/pre wrath ingathering.......

Nehemiah6 · Dec 26, 2017

Depleted said:

No its was NOT "the Great Tribulation", which is a unique event, such as has never been, nor will ever be again. The trials and tribulations and martyrdom of Christians are NOT the Tribulation nor the Great Tribulation (which are reserved for the unbelieving and the ungodly). Please note carefully:

TRIBULATION -- TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Dan 12:1).

THE GREAT TRIBULATION
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (Mt 24:21).

pottersclay · Dec 26, 2017

Short answer is no. We are not appointed to wrath. Those that are found in Christ will be taken before the tribulation starts. The Holy Spirit will be removed also.

stillness · Dec 27, 2017

About getting understanding: The more we let go of what we think we know, the more we keep learning."
Lean not on your understanding, but trust in the Lord."
"Through much trouble we enter the kingdom of God."
"It shall come the pass in the day the Lord shall give you rest from your sorrow and your fears and the hard bondage wherein you were made to serve."

Entering into rest is as we learn of Him, to seek Him first.
The answers your question, having rest from sorrow and fear and hard bondage.
We have rest in God when we have learned not to take things in our hands again, that may take years.
"Count it all Joy, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
We can't avoid suffering, "Having fellowship in the sufferings of Christ," or sufferings in vain.
There is no need to share my view of the end time because it keeps changing like climbing a mountain and having a different view al the way. You would be hearing different views as well as different dialects saying the same thing differently.
From your question you know its happening in your lifetime. 34 years ago, the Lord told me: Behold I am with you in a time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again. There are many confirmations that we are on the verge of trouble, some see and some don't, but that in itself doesn't determine who is walking in Love.
The answer, to be in the will of God, my favorite verse.
"Count it all Joy, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."

stillness · Dec 27, 2017

I suppose I should ad that I will be here in the time of trouble, since the Lord told me that He will be with me and that He said to all, "Behold I am with you always even to the end of the world."

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