2 John 1:11 Greeting Evil Teachers!

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stonesoffire

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Wait really? Like it translated the actual hebrew letters and words? what is it called and how much is it? I am sooooo excited now:D
I think I paid $11.00 for a download Blain. I didn't know it was online free.

One problem with it is finding scriptures. I never thought though to look in bible support to see if there might be a way to download into my e-Sword. Am going to look.


Thanks renewed for the information. I was in another thread.



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To me, to "shut out" means to shun, avoid reject.

According to the link, the Greek professor did not say to avoid or reject the person. What he did say was that we do not "publicly endorse and validate this false teaching".

The issue is the false teaching ... it is okay to respond with truth when we come across doctrine that is not Scripturally sound. We are instructed to preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine (2 Ti 4:2). And in 2 Ti 2:24-25 be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. I know this last part is a bit of a challenge here on CC, but it should be a goal for each of us to be able to openly discuss the Word of the Father in a meaningful manner without stooping to the level of name-calling nonsense that seems to fill the pages of some very interesting threads.

I love how the professor ended his Daily Dose of Greek "May God help us to be people of both love and grace and people of truth that we may speak the truth in love". What a great goal!
Should we shun or reject people? Of course not! BUT what about false teachers? Granted, they're people too, but they do great harm to God's people.
 

stonesoffire

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Some ppl worship education more than the Bible. Since they read books about the Bible instead of it. The Holy Spirit is not their teacher instead men's opinion rules.

To understand the simplicity of the Gospel isn't enough because it doesn't feed their ego.

The expression is can t see the forest for the trees.

Like not even understanding for God do loved the world which disintegrated into an argument about definitions abt the word "world"

That attitude reflects the salvage ignorance of the debating if how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Whereas constantly harping about "them" is more saintly, because...?

You ARE the attitude you hate.
 
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Maybe they have a Hebrew for Dummies, I think they have just about everything in that series.
They do. Hubby tried it. Still couldn't get it, (and he's smarter than I am. lol)
 

miknik5

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It's not yet found in bible support. But, there's many new downloads that I'm going to look at closer.

Just in case there is someone who isn't aware of this free software.

e-Sword: Free Bible Study for the PC

Latest e-Sword Downloads, Modules, Utilities, and News - e-Sword News, Downloads, and Forums - www.BibleSupport.com

the first is bible study software. The second is free writings for extra downloads into the software.

A way to have a library for study that one could never afford.
Why?

why is it okay to read the words of men telling men what GOD really said?


Didnt HE tell us to come to HIM?

isaiah 8 tells us we should
 

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Thank you reneweddaybyday,

For posting info of online Jewish Bible references. I shall surely use them. My two-cents on false teachers:

2 Corinthians 11:13: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15: Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. They are certainly here.

1 John 4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2: Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

That is why you have to test the spirits.

Yours,

Deade


 

Dino246

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Why?

why is it okay to read the words of men telling men what GOD really said?

Didnt HE tell us to come to HIM?

isaiah 8 tells us we should
I am all for people reading the Bible for themselves. However, I think that equating bible teachers with those who consult the dead on behalf of the living is out of line. God Himself appoints teachers - it says so in Ephesians 4. Further, not all of us read Greek and/or Hebrew. What is the difference, fundamentally, between reading a translation (men telling other men what God "really" said) and Bible teachers (men telling other men what the God "really" said)?
 

miknik5

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I am all for people reading the Bible for themselves. However, I think that equating bible teachers with those who consult the dead on behalf of the living is out of line. God Himself appoints teachers - it says so in Ephesians 4. Further, not all of us read Greek and/or Hebrew. What is the difference, fundamentally, between reading a translation (men telling other men what God "really" said) and Bible teachers (men telling other men what the God "really" said)?
Those of CHRIST’s SPIRIT are able to discern what can only be know by HIS SPIRIT

They can discern both the TRUTH
And lies


What at do you think happened in the case of Apollos in acts 18/19
 
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and let's add, if you don't mind, you don't have to speak in tongues to hear or be led by the Holy Spirit

you know, while on the subject, (and I do believe in the gifts so that is not my gripe) I think quite a few people speaking in tongues may do so too much as in whatever comes into their heads after they have prayed, they think is God

discernment out the door because they think they are in a safe zone

ok...back to regular programming
Well, tongues IS the easiest gift to fake, isn't it?:)
 

Angela53510

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You know Angela I like that you can read and understand greek, if I could I would do the same. I actually made a post the other day in the misc. section how the word of God goes into an entirely new level if you read it in it's original languages. I cannot read and understand a whole lot of Hebrew or greek but what words I am able to look up I noticed how the words have a completely different aspect. The hebrew language especially intrigues me because their words are not simply words they have a very deep profound meaning to them even down to the sound one makes when speaking a certain word.

But as for greek that is not a language I have delved into much I want to figure out some way to teach my mind to be able to read and understand those languages but learning new languages has always been my greatest weakness, I can learn complicated math easier than I can learn a new language and I am horrible at math lol maybe I should get some kind of book called learning hebrew for the mentally handicapped lol

You may just have a learning block. I was really good at languages in high school. I took both French and German, and became fluent in French, eventally, and taught it in school for a few years. German has waited till this year to really learn it. And I am so happy I took the course and stuck with it.

But, when I read the course requirements for an MDiv included Greek and Hebrew, I decided I would just do the rest of the courses, and not take the Biblical languages. I mean, all those squiggles?? I could never learn Russian either, although I tried 3 times, because the alphabet is so different. So, first year seminary was Hebrew. I just skipped it, because how could I learn it?

But when Greek came around about 4 years later, I bought the text book, and spent the whole summer working on the alphabet. Then I started making word cards and studying vocabulary. I think I got up to about chapter 6 before the semester started. Now, I have a good background in English and French grammar, but also in German, although I really couldn’t speak or read it before this year. Grammar in German is always drilled into your head, first thing.

So nouns was the first chapters, and WOW! It was exactly the same as German noun cases. Well, except Greek was more complex in the plural, because it had both masculine, feminine and neuter in plural, and even German only has one plural that covers all the genders, although variations for the cases.

We got to articles. There are 24 positions for the word “the” in Greek, although only something like 17 forms. Yep, the is a whole different ball of wax in Greek, as it was in German. About 1/2 the class dropped out when we got to the definite article. Especially all those poor Koreans, because their language doesn’t have the definite article, “THE” at all! Can’t blame them!

It was my turn to want to drop out when we got to participles. Now, I had been using my third year French university grammar text as a review for each form of speech. It was totally in French, but I understand French, so I just used what applied, and didn’t worry about the rest. But, there was NO participles in that book. They aren’t important in French, or maybe they don’t exist. Even in German, they are not as important as Greek. But in Greek they are vital! Yikes, I was done, out of there. Two chapters on participles with a giant block around my head.

So, I watched the first video, and Bill Mounce says, “Participles are the hardest part of Greek and a stumbling block to almost all Greek students. But just hang in there, only 2 chapters and we will be out of here.” Well, not true, because we used them all the time, but the learning block fell down, and it wasn’t so hard after all.

Come spring, I loved Greek, wanted to take second year, which wasn’t offered on-line, but kept studying, and won the award for outstanding Greek student. Amazing how many years the Greek award went to a woman, although we represented about 5% of the MDiv population. Goes to show you, a woman has to work a lot harder to prove she deserves to be in the program. Or, we are smarter! (LOL probably a bit of both, but lots of sweat, for sure!)

Hebrew was my last year and I again studied the alphabet to be prepared, it is quite different with all the dots for vowels, but probably easier than Greek. Apparently surveys show that about 1/2 the students prefer Greek over Hebrew and half prefer Hebrew over Greek. So, an even mix to go on and become OT versus NT scholars.

Anyway, this long draw out story just to say, languages have structure and are a lot like math. I got an A in Calculus in University and an A+ in Stats. And an offer for a math scholarship if I wanted to make it my major. Sorry, not today!

So, if you get math, you could learn languages. Just don’t let fear overwhelm you.

Sorry for this off topic post, it seems like we have deviated pretty far from the topic, although I am certain we have not exhausted the topic of greeting false prophets, yet!
 

miknik5

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Forgive me for the “good luck to you” in small print

i am completely stumped on how that got posted to begin with
it was never a part of my post

I never typed that out nor did I decrease the text to type that out
 

Angela53510

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To me, to "shut out" means to shun, avoid reject.

According to the link, the Greek professor did not say to avoid or reject the person. What he did say was that we do not "publicly endorse and validate this false teaching".

The issue is the false teaching ... it is okay to respond with truth when we come across doctrine that is not Scripturally sound. We are instructed to preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine (2 Ti 4:2). And in 2 Ti 2:24-25 be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. I know this last part is a bit of a challenge here on CC, but it should be a goal for each of us to be able to openly discuss the Word of the Father in a meaningful manner without stooping to the level of name-calling nonsense that seems to fill the pages of some very interesting threads.

I love how the professor ended his Daily Dose of Greek "May God help us to be people of both love and grace and people of truth that we may speak the truth in love". What a great goal!

I’m sorry that I used the word “shun.” It was a hyperbole, exaggeration for the sake of effect. I had already discussed in detail what I thought this was about. Certainly, we do sometimes have to leave it to God to rebuke and teach. All we can do is love them, and “speak the truth in love.” For sure!

In fact, that is why I rarely put people on ignore, although sometimes I check and see if someone is totally off base, so that even a babe in Christ could see it, and just leave them alone. But, those who SEEM to be presenting good doctrine, but in fact, are using bad eisegesis to spew their false doctrine, I do respond to. Especially when I see people responding and saying “Oh, I never knew that!” When in fact, it was a total fabrication.

And then, there are the false teachers that get page long copy and pastes. Those who are calling themselves teachers and don’t know the basics of Bible interpretation, who make up false doctrines, “to deceive even the very elect,” those I do go after.
And probably not in love, which is why I sometimes take breaks, to adjust my attitude. Sadly, when the same lies from the same copy and paste teachers when I come back, the love meter goes back down.

Which is my bad! And I would like to comment on your last comment. Rob Plummer is not an atypical of a seminary professor. All the ones I learned under have such an understanding of God’s love (and justice) such an amazing understanding of the Bible, and a sincere love of people, they are incredible models of how we are to walk as Christians. I learned more about how we are to live as Christians in seminary, than I did about anything else. (And I learned a lot of “facts!”).

When people come on here and trash seminary and professors, in conservative seminaries, I just wish they could talk to these professors for an hour. They would truly learn the way God wants us to go. To walk with God, and to love him and our neighbor as ourselves. That was all my seminary profs. I took classes in 2 other seminaries for transfer credit too, and they were the same. The love of God just flowed through them. I guess you don’t get to that level in a conservative seminary in Canada, without having more than just credentials on a piece of paper. The seminary where I got my degree, every professor was American, but had been missionaries for at least 10 years, many for more. And besides teaching seminary, they would to help the local congregations. My theology prof had been in China for many years. He said the men would not participate in preaching, only the women, that was their culture. He learned that his southern US Southern Baptist perspective, might not work in other cultures, and the churches he helped plant, grew. Then there were Hungarian church plants, Cantonese, Hispanic (Portuguese and Spanish) and so forth. That city was a mission field for my seminary, and none of those people took a dime for helping out these young churches.

I wish I could live up to their standards. But, I am not discouraged, as if you knew me before I was saved, before I went to seminary, you would see an incredible difference. Not there yet, but, one day, I will see Christ face to face, and then there will be no more struggles or crying. So looking forward to the coming of Christ! Praise God!
 
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Why?

why is it okay to read the words of men telling men what GOD really said?


Didnt HE tell us to come to HIM?

isaiah 8 tells us we should
Have you spent 4-12 hours a day studying the Word in depth, learning the history of what was happening at the time it was said, and learning Greek, Ancient Hebrew and Aramaic six days a week for the last three decades?

No? Me either. Not my thing. And so, I read from the men who did just that to get what they learned about the Word. God gave us them too!

(When did being stupid become something to brag about in the church?)
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
 

Blain

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I think it's important to note that many who see themselves as teachers-at least from what I have seen here on cc like to post giant walls of scripture that one can easily find online but the thing is often times if you research where they got it from it tends to be a giant posting from some other person teaching a subject. Not there is anything wrong in my view with copying and pasting scripture When needed but if you notice a lot of the verse in the wall of scripture are not only out context but tend to not even relay to the topic they are trying to teach.

There is of course no room for me to boast as I am not fit to teach but I think if your going to teach it should not be relied on a wall of scriptures that you haven't even checked to see if the verses posted relay to the topic itself. Another thing is that scripture is not a stamp to prove you know what your talking about and hiding behind the guise of teaching when all your really doing is just trying to prove yourself right and win the debate is not teaching.
I don't mean to speak out of anger or anything these are just some things that I have seen that honestly kinda bug me
 
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Those of CHRIST’s SPIRIT are able to discern what can only be know by HIS SPIRIT

They can discern both the TRUTH
And lies


What at do you think happened in the case of Apollos in acts 18/19
oh come on now

I certainly agree with some of what you are saying, but God does appoint teachers

the false ones that declare they are, are obviously not appointed by God...although some may have started out right, but spiraled downward into their flesh because of pride etc

not everyone can discern and some just gobble up whatever anyone calling themself a Christian says

we really have to walk carefully and prayerfully (sorry that sounds so cliche but still true) and pray for discernment and pray that we are not led astray
 

Laish

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Some ppl worship education more than the Bible. Since they read books about the Bible instead of it. The Holy Spirit is not their teacher instead men's opinion rules.

To understand the simplicity of the Gospel isn't enough because it doesn't feed their ego.

The expression is can t see the forest for the trees.

Like not even understanding for God do loved the world which disintegrated into an argument about definitions abt the word "world"

That attitude reflects the salvage ignorance of the debating if how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Ok who worships education? A broad statement like “some people worship education” can mean anyone? Who is it ? Or are you going to hide behind the safety of the idea that you did not accuse anyone in particular. Soft accusations like that are deceptive . .As far as education goes unless you can read the Scriptures in the original Hebrew ,Aramaic and Greek you can thank one of those educated folks . Also just because one seeks to education to further their knowledge of scripture has no reflection on his or her devotion to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ or that they are not led by the Holy Spirit. I would say they are listening to our Lord and preparing a defense of the Gospel.
Blessings
Bill
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Well, tongues IS the easiest gift to fake, isn't it?:)
I suppose quite a few people may do this, but I remember one incident going back years...we were praying together and the pastor of the church knew we spoke in tongues but we were praying in English going around a circle and I guess most of us were praying quietly in tongues while the person whose turn it was to pray prayed in English (a common practice for sure) and all of sudden the pastor starts praying loudly in...sorry....gibberish

we all stopped praying and looked at each other with big eyes...he was totally faking it and every one of us knew it...it was just so uncomfortable but we were all pretty young and nobody wanted to approach him and address the problem .... he was in his 30's I guess and we were teens and early 20's...made my hair stand up on the back of my neck
 
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Some ppl worship education more than the Bible. Since they read books about the Bible instead of it. The Holy Spirit is not their teacher instead men's opinion rules.

To understand the simplicity of the Gospel isn't enough because it doesn't feed their ego.

The expression is can t see the forest for the trees.

Like not even understanding for God do loved the world which disintegrated into an argument about definitions abt the word "world"

That attitude reflects the salvage ignorance of the debating if how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Now that I read this again I see what is known as projection. It is when a person "projects" their actions onto someone else to blame them.

Those who claim they listen to the Spirit instead of man's writings refuse to believe that they themselves are doing exactly that.

They learned their religion from somebody, didn't they?