Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith
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This will be quick and I don't know if you will be able to follow it yet but...
God made everything to bring forth of its own kind. On the day Adam and eve died, they could only then bring forth of their own kind-the spiritually dead. On the day they ate, they died.
This is far too abbreviated but its a...start.
God made everything to bring forth of its own kind. On the day Adam and eve died, they could only then bring forth of their own kind-the spiritually dead. On the day they ate, they died.
This is far too abbreviated but its a...start.
He most certainly alluded to this fact. People in the OT were saved, born from above, and Nicodemus should have know this fact, John 3:10 &c.
One flaw that exposes people like you is you say OT saints weren't saved, then misquote Joshua 24:15 as a gospel invitation to them to be saved. LOL!!!!!!!!!
Anyhow, it appears you should change your moniker to DevotiontoPelagius.
One flaw that exposes people like you is you say OT saints weren't saved, then misquote Joshua 24:15 as a gospel invitation to them to be saved. LOL!!!!!!!!!
Anyhow, it appears you should change your moniker to DevotiontoPelagius.
That's a deep subject theologically. Some believe slightly different things on it. I think a good place to start is with the verse p4 gave for us to consider. Jesus expected Nicodemus, being a teacher, to know that a man must be born from above. He wondered at how a teacher did not understand this.
I wish so badly I could stay and talk with you guys. I always have to leave when I don't want to! But p4 can give you more verses that will show there WERE men in the OT who spoke by the Spirit in them.
Hope to talk with you more later. I have enjoyed meeting you.
I wish so badly I could stay and talk with you guys. I always have to leave when I don't want to! But p4 can give you more verses that will show there WERE men in the OT who spoke by the Spirit in them.
Hope to talk with you more later. I have enjoyed meeting you.
In its context it doesn't mean absolutely spiritually dead and unable to do anything pleasing to God. It means in our human nature we couldn't stop ourselves from sinning:
Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God. All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.
Ephesians 2:1*-3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/eph.2.1-3.NLT
Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God. All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.
Ephesians 2:1*-3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/eph.2.1-3.NLT
(i haven't been following this thread)
you need to keep reading.
But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Eph 2:4-7)
see Who is doing these things, and for whose glory?