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This is pretty simple . Its exactly what the bible teaches from the OT to NT .
There is a first advent, and prior to the second, a captivity to a false king a false messiah . The king of Babylon . Satan. Different words or analogy, parables or types may convey it . But The Gospel has One narrow message.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
If you Trust God, and His word,there is nothing to fear. Anything side from His word is a path to apostasy during the Tribulation .
Deception causes it .
I'm willing to discuss with anyone from scriptures .
There is a first advent, and prior to the second, a captivity to a false king a false messiah . The king of Babylon . Satan. Different words or analogy, parables or types may convey it . But The Gospel has One narrow message.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
If you Trust God, and His word,there is nothing to fear. Anything side from His word is a path to apostasy during the Tribulation .
Deception causes it .
I'm willing to discuss with anyone from scriptures .
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Hi everyone,
Here is what is going yo happen next: When Christ comes back the very next time, He will encircle the earth while the asleep in Christ will rise and join Him. Then those that are alive will be changed into incorruptible spirits to join him.
Jesus said that no man has ascended to heaven. John 3:13: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
Don't give me a reference to the transfiguration when Jesus appeared with Moses and Elijah. This is an example of a vision. But a vision is just a vision, we should not draw doctrine from them. A vision is an exception to what is literal. All the patriarchs in Hebrews 11 are still waiting to get to heaven. I remind you this was written after the cross. No, Hebrews 12 doesn't prove anyone in heaven.
Everyone says that we will have glorified bodies, after our resurrection. I don't agree, we will be spirit. John said: John 4:24: “God is spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.” and in 1 John 3:2: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is." Sounds like we will be spirits too.
Yours,
Deade
Here is what is going yo happen next: When Christ comes back the very next time, He will encircle the earth while the asleep in Christ will rise and join Him. Then those that are alive will be changed into incorruptible spirits to join him.
Jesus said that no man has ascended to heaven. John 3:13: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
Don't give me a reference to the transfiguration when Jesus appeared with Moses and Elijah. This is an example of a vision. But a vision is just a vision, we should not draw doctrine from them. A vision is an exception to what is literal. All the patriarchs in Hebrews 11 are still waiting to get to heaven. I remind you this was written after the cross. No, Hebrews 12 doesn't prove anyone in heaven.
Everyone says that we will have glorified bodies, after our resurrection. I don't agree, we will be spirit. John said: John 4:24: “God is spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.” and in 1 John 3:2: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is." Sounds like we will be spirits too.
Yours,
Deade
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are
as the angels of God in heaven.
Matthew 22:
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luke 20:
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered
up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man
according to their works.
Revelation 20:
Hell > G86 ᾅδης hadēs properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are
as the angels of God in heaven.
Matthew 22:
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luke 20:
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered
up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man
according to their works.
Revelation 20:
Hell > G86 ᾅδης hadēs properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
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without ; a proper recall and overall working knowledge of the Bible; we should refrain from jumping to conclusions .
It happens a lot, believers assume rather quickly, and can start forming what a passage is saying without regard to the overall plan of God.
Sometimes, people dont even get theology from the Bible. they're just quoiting commentary.
How can we know what is right or wrong, if we dont Know the bible . That involves being aware of the language used; figures of speech, acrostics, idioms from both greek and Hebrew, and simply following the rules of reading . And actually take time to read the bible. Its a big book and not many can say that can recall it all. Only when a good effort is made, even with prayer, can one begin to start grasping what is being said with understanding ...
It happens a lot, believers assume rather quickly, and can start forming what a passage is saying without regard to the overall plan of God.
Sometimes, people dont even get theology from the Bible. they're just quoiting commentary.
How can we know what is right or wrong, if we dont Know the bible . That involves being aware of the language used; figures of speech, acrostics, idioms from both greek and Hebrew, and simply following the rules of reading . And actually take time to read the bible. Its a big book and not many can say that can recall it all. Only when a good effort is made, even with prayer, can one begin to start grasping what is being said with understanding ...
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"Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. For we live by faith, not by sight. We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Cor.5:6
"If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. - Phil.1:22-24
It is always important to compare and cross-reference other scriptures to arrive at a right conclusion. As you can see from the scriptures above, to be absent from the body is to be in the presence of the Lord. These are stating that at the time of death the spirit departs from the body and goes to be in the presence of the Lord. Therefore, in John 3:13 Jesus must be saying something other than what you think it is saying. In order to understand what the Lord means, we must look at the whole context, which I've included below:
"No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man. Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life."
Therefore, Jesus is saying that no other man has come down from heaven (which is true)and will have resurrected and gone back up into heaven, which is what Jesus is referring to when he tells Nichodemus regarding his being lifted up like the bronze serpent, i.e. his being crucified. Therefore, Christ came down from heaven, was crucified, resurrected and went back up into heaven, which is what no other man has done. This does not interfere with the other scriptures listed above, which reveal that the at the time of death a believers [spirit] departs and goes to be in the presence of the Lord. It is not until the resurrection that men will follow Christ in their resurrected bodies, but they did not start from heaven has He did.
"Suddenly two men, Moses and Elijah, began talking with Jesus. They appeared in glory and spoke about His departure, which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem."
But we must use the event of Moses and Elijah appearing with Jesus because you don't have a conversation with a vision, which is what Moses and Elijah were doing in the scripture above. In your reference to them being a vision, you are inferring that they were like inanimate projections, yet the scripture tells us that they were having a conversation with Jesus about his departure. Also, there is a scripture that states that "the women saw a vision of angels" translated from "optasia" which means to see a supernatural appearance.
Once again, you need to cross-reference and compare scripture. First of all regarding us being "spirits" after resurrection and appearing to his disciples, Jesus said the following:
"While they were describing these events, Jesus Himself stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” But they were startled and frightened, thinking they had seen a spirit.
“Why are you troubled,” Jesus asked, “and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
So, in the scripture above, Jesus appears to his disciples who are frightened because they think he is a spirit. But Jesus comforts them and reassures them that it is he himself, which he proves by showing them the nail marks in his hands and feet. As further proof that Jesus was in his resurrected body he tells them, "a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
Jesus resurrected in the same body that he was crucified in, albeit glorified and immortal. The same body that he appeared to the disciples in, the same body that he ascended in and sits at the right hand of the Father in. And is the same body that he will return in when he appears to gather the church, where at which when we see him, we shall be like him, being transformed into those immortal and glorified bodies just like his resurrected body of flesh and bones, but with heavenly abilities.
I hope that you will consider these scriptures and understand that, when a believer dies their spirit departs and goes immediately to be in the presence of the Lord. And that when the resurrection takes place, the spirits of those who have died in Christ he will bring with him where they will be reunited with their resurrected bodies of flesh and bone like Christ's, but immortal and glorified.
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Adstar, this is a common on-going error in that, Matt.24:31 is not representing the gathering of the church, but is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. The gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, are two separate events.
Matt.24:31 = The Lord will send out his angels and they will go throughout the entire earth first gathering the weeds, all who do sin and commit evil, then the wheat. Both groups will be in their mortal bodies who will have made it through the entire wrath of God alive. This is not a resurrection of the dead nor the living being changed and caught up. At the time of the resurrection, angels do not gather the church. But when the Lord appears that voice that sounds like a trumpet will call up all believers and will meet the Lord in the air. I repeat, angels do not gather the righteous at the resurrection.
The gathering of the church both dead and living as revealed in 1 Thes.4:13-18, is not the same event as Matt.24:29-31.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 = The resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up
Matthew 24:29-31 = The Lord's return to the earth to end the age where he will send out his angels throughout the earth to first gather the wicked and then the righteous, both groups being in their mortal bodies.
Matthew 24:29-31 is the same event described in Rev.1:7 and 19:11-21, which is referring to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is when the Lord appears in the air and gathers the church, dead and living, to take the entire group back to the Father's house (John 14:1-3)
Therefore, Matthew 24 does not clearly spell out the gathering of the church as you are claiming, but is clear about the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. By the way, Rev.19:14 has the previously resurrected and caught up church following Christ out of heaven when he returns to the earth to end the age.
The problem is that, you, Otherway210 and others, only apply only certain parts of scripture related to end-time events, while ignoring the rest. It is just incomplete exegesis on your part.
Matt.24:31 = The Lord will send out his angels and they will go throughout the entire earth first gathering the weeds, all who do sin and commit evil, then the wheat. Both groups will be in their mortal bodies who will have made it through the entire wrath of God alive. This is not a resurrection of the dead nor the living being changed and caught up. At the time of the resurrection, angels do not gather the church. But when the Lord appears that voice that sounds like a trumpet will call up all believers and will meet the Lord in the air. I repeat, angels do not gather the righteous at the resurrection.
The gathering of the church both dead and living as revealed in 1 Thes.4:13-18, is not the same event as Matt.24:29-31.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 = The resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up
Matthew 24:29-31 = The Lord's return to the earth to end the age where he will send out his angels throughout the earth to first gather the wicked and then the righteous, both groups being in their mortal bodies.
Matthew 24:29-31 is the same event described in Rev.1:7 and 19:11-21, which is referring to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is when the Lord appears in the air and gathers the church, dead and living, to take the entire group back to the Father's house (John 14:1-3)
Therefore, Matthew 24 does not clearly spell out the gathering of the church as you are claiming, but is clear about the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. By the way, Rev.19:14 has the previously resurrected and caught up church following Christ out of heaven when he returns to the earth to end the age.
The problem is that, you, Otherway210 and others, only apply only certain parts of scripture related to end-time events, while ignoring the rest. It is just incomplete exegesis on your part.
Hello heartofdavid!
That verse does not say that there is no man in heaven! Here is the verse in a couple different translations:
New International Version
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it.
New Living Translation
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it.
English Standard Version
And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it,
Berean Study Bible
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it.
Berean Literal Bible
And no one in heaven, nor upon the earth, nor under the earth, was able to open the scroll, nor to see it.
New American Standard Bible
And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the book or to look into it.
King James Bible
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or even to look in it.
International Standard Version
Therefore, the verse is not stating that there is no man in heaven, but that no one in heaven, nor on the earth nor under the earth, will be able to open the scroll. In addition, you have 24 elders mention sitting on thrones, which would be referring to resurrected men.
Let's research these things before making these claims, heartofdavid.
That verse does not say that there is no man in heaven! Here is the verse in a couple different translations:
New International Version
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it.
New Living Translation
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it.
English Standard Version
And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it,
Berean Study Bible
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it.
Berean Literal Bible
And no one in heaven, nor upon the earth, nor under the earth, was able to open the scroll, nor to see it.
New American Standard Bible
And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the book or to look into it.
King James Bible
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or even to look in it.
International Standard Version
Therefore, the verse is not stating that there is no man in heaven, but that no one in heaven, nor on the earth nor under the earth, will be able to open the scroll. In addition, you have 24 elders mention sitting on thrones, which would be referring to resurrected men.
Let's research these things before making these claims, heartofdavid.
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Hello Ahwatukee,
You said:
"Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. For we live by faith, not by sight. We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Cor.5:6
"If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. - Phil.1:22-24 You tell me, when you are asleep, are you aware of time. No, it seems you are immediately with the Lord.
You said also:
"Suddenly two men, Moses and Elijah, began talking with Jesus. They appeared in glory and spoke about His departure, which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem."
But we must use the event of Moses and Elijah appearing with Jesus because you don't have a conversation with a vision, which is what Moses and Elijah were doing in the scripture above. In your reference to them being a vision, you are inferring that they were like inanimate projections, yet the scripture tells us that they were having a conversation with Jesus about his departure. Also, there is a scripture that states that "the women saw a vision of angels" translated from "optasia" which means to see a supernatural appearance. You claim this is not a vision. Was Christ dead yet? Were not the disciples sleeping right before this event? Sounds like a vision to me.
And finally:
Jesus resurrected in the same body that he was crucified in, albeit glorified and immortal. The same body that he appeared to the disciples in, the same body that he ascended in and sits at the right hand of the Father in. And is the same body that he will return in when he appears to gather the church, where at which when we see him, we shall be like him, being transformed into those immortal and glorified bodies just like his resurrected body of flesh and bones, but with heavenly abilities.
Will His body look like it did when He ascended, from the Mount of Olives, or will it be brighter? He did not look glorious when he left. No, I think Jesus' body might have been for recognition purposes. Also, to fulfill the prophecy that His body would not see corruption: Psalms 16:10: "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." In any case I cannot see Jesus going for all eternity with those holes in His body.
Paul even suggested that He won't look the same: 2 Corinthians 5:16:"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Him no more."
I think if we were to lay eyes on Jesus today, He would reflect the glory of the Father.
References:
Revelation 1:12-16: “And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.”
Matthew 16:27: “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
Matthew 24:30: “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
Matthew 25:31: “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:”
Luke 21:27: “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”
Mark 8:38: “Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Mark 13:26: “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."
We could go on and on with these references. Let us not twist and torture the scriptures until they finally tell us what we want to hear.
Yours,
Deade
You said:
"Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. For we live by faith, not by sight. We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Cor.5:6
"If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. - Phil.1:22-24 You tell me, when you are asleep, are you aware of time. No, it seems you are immediately with the Lord.
You said also:
"Suddenly two men, Moses and Elijah, began talking with Jesus. They appeared in glory and spoke about His departure, which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem."
But we must use the event of Moses and Elijah appearing with Jesus because you don't have a conversation with a vision, which is what Moses and Elijah were doing in the scripture above. In your reference to them being a vision, you are inferring that they were like inanimate projections, yet the scripture tells us that they were having a conversation with Jesus about his departure. Also, there is a scripture that states that "the women saw a vision of angels" translated from "optasia" which means to see a supernatural appearance. You claim this is not a vision. Was Christ dead yet? Were not the disciples sleeping right before this event? Sounds like a vision to me.
And finally:
Jesus resurrected in the same body that he was crucified in, albeit glorified and immortal. The same body that he appeared to the disciples in, the same body that he ascended in and sits at the right hand of the Father in. And is the same body that he will return in when he appears to gather the church, where at which when we see him, we shall be like him, being transformed into those immortal and glorified bodies just like his resurrected body of flesh and bones, but with heavenly abilities.
Will His body look like it did when He ascended, from the Mount of Olives, or will it be brighter? He did not look glorious when he left. No, I think Jesus' body might have been for recognition purposes. Also, to fulfill the prophecy that His body would not see corruption: Psalms 16:10: "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." In any case I cannot see Jesus going for all eternity with those holes in His body.
Paul even suggested that He won't look the same: 2 Corinthians 5:16:"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Him no more."
I think if we were to lay eyes on Jesus today, He would reflect the glory of the Father.
References:
Revelation 1:12-16: “And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.”
Matthew 16:27: “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
Matthew 24:30: “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
Matthew 25:31: “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:”
Luke 21:27: “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”
Mark 8:38: “Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Mark 13:26: “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."
We could go on and on with these references. Let us not twist and torture the scriptures until they finally tell us what we want to hear.
Yours,
Deade
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Yes, but the actual Greek has "no one." But just for the sake of this debate, let's say that the verse says the following:
"But no man in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it."
This would still not support that the verse is saying that there is no man in heaven. In fact, it would actually support the opposite, i.e. men being in heaven that are not worthy to open the scroll. My point being that, the verse is not saying that there are no men in heaven, which is how heartofdavid is trying to use it in support of no pre-trib gathering of the church.
I'm sure that after you read it you will come to the same conclusion.
"But no man in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it."
This would still not support that the verse is saying that there is no man in heaven. In fact, it would actually support the opposite, i.e. men being in heaven that are not worthy to open the scroll. My point being that, the verse is not saying that there are no men in heaven, which is how heartofdavid is trying to use it in support of no pre-trib gathering of the church.
I'm sure that after you read it you will come to the same conclusion.
Deade, do you think that because Jesus is in an immortal and glorified body that he has to appear in that radiant state all the time? Use your reasoning! When Jesus took Peter, John and James up the mountain, he was transfigured into his glorified state and he changed back again. Do you think that he could possibly do the same thing after he rose? After all, when he first appeared to the women that went to the tomb, he wasn't reported as being radiant. In fact, he was able to keep them from recognizing him just like he did to the two men on the road to Emmaus and to the rest of the disciples. Stop looking for apologetics and consider the scriptures and information that I am giving to you.
The verse above says nothing about Christ not looking the same.
" The verse above also does not support your position. The first part of it which says:
"For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol"
is in reference to God the Father not leaving Jesus' spirit in Sheol, which is the same place where the spirit of Abraham and Lazarus were, with the rich man being in the place of torment across from them. So it is speaking about God the Father not leaving Jesus' spirit in Sheol.
The second part of the verse says,
"Nor will you allow your Holy One to see decay,"
which is speaking about his body. That is that the Father would not allow Jesus' body to decay, but it would be raise to life.
So, the entire verse speaks about God the Father not leaving Jesus' spirit in Sheol and that because after three days his spirit reentered his body and he was walking around in it again. And regarding his body, the Father wouldn't let his body decay because his spirit reentered it three days after being crucified.
Do you understand the meaning behind the body not being in the tomb when the women went to wrap him with their spices? His body wasn't in the tomb because he was back in it. Did you even look at the definition of the word "anastasis" translated as "resurrection" that I provided in the previous post?
Just because you cannot see Jesus going for all eternity with those nail marks in his feet and hands, does not mean that he won't. That is only your assumption. The scriptural facts are that, to prove to his disciples that he had risen from the dead, he told them to look at the nail marks in his hands and feet, even asking for something to eat to prove that it was he himself in the same body. If he was just appearing to his disciples as a pretense, then he would have been lying to them about rising from the dead. He didn't just rise temporarily in the flesh. We are also going to be resurrected and remain in those bodies, immortal and glorified, just as the Lord's body was and is.
You need to seek God out on this, because believing in the BODILY resurrection of Christ is paramount to salvation. The book of Romans says that his bodily resurrection was a proof of his being the Son of God.
"Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, and set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to flesh, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Rapture is a lie . God never said, nor Christ, that he would deliver anyone from the Tribulation of Antichrist. . God said however all the word is going into captivity to Satan. You dont know that, means you did not read the bible..
Rapture is easy for people to define, because they make it up in their own mind as they go, and just repeat each others lies . God doesn't like liars no matter what they think they are. Christians are held to a higher degree of accountability .
Rapture is easy for people to define, because they make it up in their own mind as they go, and just repeat each others lies . God doesn't like liars no matter what they think they are. Christians are held to a higher degree of accountability .