Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith

[Nehemiah6]

It comes by hearing...i.e...an outside source. Faith is not innate, nor does it resonate from man.(said by SovereignGrace)

Why was the preaching of the Gospel made an imperative? Because it is only through the Gospel that sinners can put their faith in the Savior. But the Gospel is not isolated from the Holy Spirit. He is right there when the Gospel is preached, and He is the one who uses the Gospel to convince and convict. Thus the Gospel becomes THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (Rom 1:16)

And this is how faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I am not sure we should be making doctrines based on something that MAY be true. Would you attend a Muslim festival which was promoting their faith and religion? How about a pagan festivle which was prompting all of thier many Gods? Or another anti christian festival?

Not now I wouldn't. But would I attend one of them before I met God? Yes. I probably would, to try the food and watch the performers and hear the music. I mean, I didn't believe in their god anymore than I believed in anyone else's god. But food is food!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Men are born blind. They don't make themselves that way. And worse still, they don't KNOW they're blind.

This thought worries me, Romans 1 is quite clear.

[FONT=&quot]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]This makes it clear. God did not hide the truth from us, We hid it from ourselves. And suprised it. Thats why we hae no excuse, If this is wrong, we can cast the book of romans out, it is not trustworthy. Which would make paul questionable [/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not now I wouldn't. But would I attend one of them before I met God? Yes. I probably would, to try the food and watch the performers and hear the music. I mean, I didn't believe in their god anymore than I believed in anyone else's god. But food is food!

So your gonna trek hundreds maybe thousands of miles on foot just to taste some jewish food? And attend a ceremony you do not even believe in?

 

[preacher4truth]

No record in the OT that God was feared? David wrote Psalms, and he showed fear all throughout them.

Is the Open Theist saying nowhere in the OT did we see that God feared, or, nowhere in the OT do we see where God was feared?

Nonetheless, Jesus learned obedience &c in the NT has nothing to do with God learning, i.e. coming to knowledge. It has to do with the actual experience on his humanity. But, he twists Scripture.

Gill says: yet learned he obedience; not to his parents, or civil magistrates, though that is true; nor merely to the precepts of the law, which he did; but unto death: through sufferings he became obedient to death, even the death of the cross: and this he learnt; not that he was ignorant of the nature of it; nor was he destitute of an obedient disposition to it; but the meaning is, he had an experience of it, and effected it; and which was voluntary, and done in our room and stead; and is the rule and the measure of our righteousness before God

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Nope.......

Look up primary and secondary causes.

I'll ask you this way:

Look up primary and secondary causes. God uses means to fulfill His decreed will.

So, you think God decrees people to sin in a primary or secondary cause?

 

[John146]

Nope.......

Look up primary and secondary causes.

Another RCC doctrine...just saying.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Faith can resonate in man, Men have faith in other men all the time, even themselves. I think this is what gets people get confused when people say faith can only come from God.

Faith in God however, This can not resonate from man, because It is God who is able and willing to save us from our sins, he paid the ultimate price to do it. And has spent countless hours days, weeks and years showing us Gods word, and helping us to understand

Oh...is THAT all its been???
I thought we would all just know when we talk about faith on a christian website that we meant faith in God!! I'm...flabbergasted that anyone would think anyone else meant anything other than trust in God when they say "faith" in here!

You are an odd duck to me sometimes, brother.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Faith can resonate in man, Men have faith in other men all the time, even themselves. I think this is what gets people get confused when people say faith can only come from God.

Faith in God however, This can not resonate from man, because It is God who is able and willing to save us from our sins, he paid the ultimate price to do it. And has spent countless hours days, weeks and years showing us Gods word, and helping us to understand

That shows that there is more than one kind of faith. Just like there is more than one kind of love. Faith in a spouse that they will remain faithful can be destroyed. Faith in a friend can be destroyed if they double cross you.

But the faith God gives will never be destroyed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh...is THAT all its been???
I thought we would all just know when we talk about faith on a christian website that we meant faith in God!! I'm...flabbergasted that anyone would think anyone else meant anything other than trust in God when they say "faith" in here!

You are an odd duck to me sometimes, brother.

Everyone in CC thinks they have faith in God, is this true??

 

[SovereignGrace]

I'll ask you this way:


So, you think God decrees people to sin in a primary or secondary cause?

Nope. Look them up. I am not doing your unvestigative studies for you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That shows that there is more than one kind of faith. Just like there is more than one kind of love. Faith in a spouse that they will remain faithful can be destroyed. Faith in a friend can be destroyed if they double cross you.

But the faith God gives will never be destroyed.

Yes, there are different kinds of faith, thank you.,

Amen, it will never be destroyed, Because unlike our wife, our husband, our parents or even our freinds.

God never lets us down, he is always faithful, He can always be relied on and trusted, and he continues to prove his faithfulness every time we try to test him.

That is why the thought that a man who is born of God can lose faith in God is one of the most illogical things I have ever heard. And why I question if someone actually believes this if they have ever found God, because I do Not think if they did,. They would even contimplate that this could even happen.

 

[posthuman]

I am confused, how can you say you had faith in the gospel if you did not even know a thing about sin? Knowing we are sinners is part of the gospel.

we're back at 1 Corinthians 2:14 again -- the human without the Spirit rejects, does not understand and cannot discern spiritual things. he is dead. but the gospel is spiritual -- no one cans say "Jesus is Lord" unless they speak by the Spirit, but no one receives the Spirit without confessing Jesus is Lord. and that is life

. . . almost as if they have to be simultaneous

makes a bit more sense to me when i realize that the same Word that spoke all creation into existence is the Word that proclaims the Good News. it is living, powerful and active, and it creates and animates. the Word does this: faith comes by hearing it. as though ((in good soil)) the Word itself creates faith in the one that hears it

and now we're back at Proverbs 20:12 -- the hearing ear and the seeing eye, the LORD has made them both !!

no one can boast, except in that Christ has looked upon them with mercy

 

[SovereignGrace]

Hmmmm...then the Roman Catholic Erasmus who wrote your version must have put the examples of primary and secondary causes in your King Jimmy. Dirty rascal!!!

#corruptKJV #romancatholicconspiracy #justsayin'

I think you quoted the wrong post and poster, mert.

 

[preacher4truth]

I think you quoted the wrong post and poster, mert.

Thanks, I sure did!

 

[preacher4truth]

Another RCC doctrine...just saying.

Hmmmm...then the Roman Catholic Erasmus who wrote your version must have put the examples of primary and secondary causes in your King Jimmy. Dirty rascal!!!

#corruptKJV #romancatholicconspiracy #justsayin'

 

[SovereignGrace]

Why was the preaching of the Gospel made an imperative? Because it is only through the Gospel that sinners can put their faith in the Savior. But the Gospel is not isolated from the Holy Spirit. He is right there when the Gospel is preached, and He is the one who uses the Gospel to convince and convict. Thus the Gospel becomes THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (Rom 1:16)

And this is how faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

God works through the gospel proclamation and opens eyes, ears and hearts and they exercise their God-given faith and are saved.

 

[notuptome]

Not now I wouldn't. But would I attend one of them before I met God? Yes. I probably would, to try the food and watch the performers and hear the music. I mean, I didn't believe in their god anymore than I believed in anyone else's god. But food is food!

I really do not think the Jewish feast days were for amusement or recreational purposes. The one exception might be Purim. Travel was difficult and expensive because it required time away from the subsistence living that the apostolic times demanded.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SovereignGrace]

Hmmmm...then the Roman Catholic Erasmus who wrote your version must have put the examples of primary and secondary causes in your King Jimmy. Dirty rascal!!!

#corruptKJV #romancatholicconspiracy #justsayin'

That's the spirit, mert!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

we're back at 1 Corinthians 2:14 again -- the human without the Spirit rejects, does not understand and cannot discern spiritual things. he is dead. but the gospel is spiritual -- no one cans say "Jesus is Lord" unless they speak by the Spirit, but no one receives the Spirit without confessing Jesus is Lord. and that is life

. . . almost as if they have to be simultaneous

makes a bit more sense to me when i realize that the same Word that spoke all creation into existence is the Word that proclaims the Good News. it is living, powerful and active, and it creates and animates. the Word does this: faith comes by hearing it. as though ((in good soil)) the Word itself creates faith in the one that hears it

and now we're back at Proverbs 20:12 -- the hearing ear and the seeing eye, the LORD has made them both !!

no one can boast, except in that Christ has looked upon them with mercy

I hear people say Jesus is lord all the time, Who if you listen to their gospel. And why they think they wil get to heaven, it is obvious does not even Know God. So I disagree we have to know God before we can say it.

Again.

How can I boast if I am placing my faith in a person I have not even met to save me from the penalty of sin all the world knows we are under (romans 1) and have to trust that he will keep his word. Not based on my work, or my faithfulness, But his work, and his faithfulness.

How is this boasting?