Not By Works

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It seems to me Ralphie, that you are also saying..... that sin and lack of works soils the linen?

Jesus is the linen. It is His righteousness not ours.

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It's okay if you're 'hearing' it that way. You're entitled to your own perceptions and opinions, but trust me, no one here believes that works earn one's way into the kingdom. Works show us to have had our 'clothing' cleansed by the blood through faith in Christ.
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Ralph- said:
And then they insist that's not called a license to sin.




I'm not sure that point is being pushed here. I know it is being heard, that's for sure. But I don't think there is anyone here who has said works are the required payment for salvation. Not one.

What is being said is works show whether you have eternal life in you or not. (Which is why I can not consider several who post here as having eternal life in them based on how they consistently mistreat me and others.) And so in that way works determine if you are saved or not. That message falls on deaf ears in the church today. This thread is proof of that. Once saved always saved teaching made it so the church can not hear that message. And I mean exactly that. They literally can not process the argument in their minds. That's how powerful the deception is right now in the church.




There is.

The person who is living in their old life as a matter of lifestyle is not born again. Whether they lost their salvation or never had it to begin with is meaningless since the simple fact exists that they do not now have eternal life for it to even matter. And works matter only to salvation to the extent they show one to have eternal life already and are ready to meet Jesus when he returns.

There's your line.

Works do matter. Just not the way most people in the church can only understand them to matter.
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This same judgement you mete out on others will come back on you. Best walk that straight line, no wavering. Am wondering how all the "rules" as you see them, you will be able to "do".
 
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i wonder how long this thread is going to last.. maybe a year or two :rolleyes: :D

there are like 10 members on this thread... smh
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Budman said:
Yes. Whatever you do, don't point out Ralph's bearing false witness and hypocrisy, or you could get cancer!

You take the cake, Ralph. You really do.



God doesn't "punish" His sons, He corrects them. When God punishes, it is with wrath. There is no condemnation or wrath for His children. Jesus took all the punishment for us on the cross.

Discipline, Ralph - not punishment.
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amen, we see that in Acts 2 where Peter told the people even though YOU crucified Christ, God still offers forgiveness, He took it in our place and God ressurected him as prophesied. All you need to do is call out on the name of the lord and you will be saved.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
amen, we see that in Acts 2 where Peter told the people even though YOU crucified Christ, God still offers forgiveness, He took it in our place and God ressurected him as prophesied. All you need to do is call out on the name of the lord and you will be saved.
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Amen bro....the simplicity found in Christ....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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gb9 said:
I think I might see the bouncer coming, to show ralph kramdem the way out.
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I still for th life of me wonder why anyone even responds to him anymore. He is just here to cause discord. Like the many who came before him.
He lies about people. Then blame shifts, just like Peter was apt to do.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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heartofdavid said:
"All sin is forgiven so we never repent"
" thats a works gospel"
" You are offended "
" You are a hypocrite "

"You are attacking"
"I never said that"
"He never said that"
"Why are you attacking him "

This thread is like a broken candy machine,where you walk up throw in a dollar and punch "12; hershey bar" , then "21 snickers" starts moving and there ya go.
There is your snickers bar.

You pick it up anyway,and are met by a crowd from cc.
"Why are you offended"
" that's what you punched in,i saw you"
" thats not a snickers bar"
" why are you attacking that candy bar"
" you're a hypocrite "
" ok,i can see you are mad"

This place has lost it's mind
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Still waiting for you to show where people are saying it is ok to sin, and live in sin is perfectly fine..

You attack people when you did the very thing yourself.. You do understand what being 2 sided means do you not?
 
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Gracie_14 said:
i wonder how long this thread is going to last.. maybe a year or two :rolleyes: :D

there are like 10 members on this thread... smh
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As long as one false witness keeps pushing a works based dogma...I will keep posting....and will even keep posting till the cows come home to combat dogma that does not save....or have the power to save
 
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eternally-gratefull

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joefizz said:
opinion...rightttt how many times have you insisted what you say is true yet now it's an "opinion" sounds like you are "wishy washy" you can't stand beside your own beliefs yet insist you know ours,so yeah that fits everything you say then by process of elimination must be "opinions" then so let us all know when you have "facts and scripture" and a "belief/doctrine" you actually stand beside then we might be able to discuss again.
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It is a broken record, one person after another who do this, it is like one leaves a few come in and take their place. it is sad.
 
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Ralph- said:
Then explain this please.

"stop sinning"-1 Corinthians 15:34

Make sure you include what it was exactly that Paul wanted them to repent of.
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The point of that verse was not to associate with wicked people.

1Co 15:42 This is how it will be at the resurrection of the dead. What is planted is decaying, what is raised cannot decay.


1Co 15:43 The body is planted in a state of dishonor but is raised in a state of splendor. It is planted in weakness but is raised in power.


1Co 15:44 It is planted a physical body but is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body.


1Co 15:45 This, indeed, is what is written: "The first man, Adam, became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.


1Co 15:46 The spiritual does not come first, but the physical does, and then comes the spiritual.

You all who are touting works (not that I am saying there won't be works) are not giving the power of Ressurrection life enough credit.

Sin for a believer is the old way that we have died to. A renewed mind takes time. Understanding comes as one is able to hear. And truth is that we grow from the seed of truth that we began in. We grow into the image and growth is fulfilled completely when we see Him. Growth is continuous by the same way while here. As we see...we become.

And love believes the best of others. It's a greater power for change. Accusations and condemnation only hinders. But correction is love will bring about the results desired. With those around us? Sometimes it's best to keep the mouth shut, and pray. Believe Gods truth. And wait.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Still waiting for you to show where people are saying it is ok to sin, and live in sin is perfectly fine..

You attack people when you did the very thing yourself.. You do understand what being 2 sided means do you not?
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He won't or can't show it....no one has said or implied it.....and verbatim the other one is using the same terminology that F used.....word for word the longer the argument goes
 
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Rosemaryx said:
Ralph...As I read your comment to p4t , I felt uneasy to what you said about the cancer remark , is that not like putting a curse on your brother , for by the grace of God He will turn that curse remark into a blessing for P4T...I think you overstepped the mark there , but that is just my opinion...xox...
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It is not Christlike that is for sure. Would Jesus do that? He came to save, He even asked his father to forgive the men nailing him to the cross.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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heartofdavid said:
The spirit of esau is operating in here.
( hatred of your brother)

That is the root of the attacking.
Thats why they are right in the edge.
Claws are already out,and they can't hear what is being said.
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Not everyone here is my brother. That’s your first mistake.
 
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The salvation consists of allowing the Jesus' Grace ables us to do for the neighbor what they will never get doing for themselves.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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heartofdavid said:
Nobody here has an example of a works gospel.

Get it?

The entire deal is in their mind.
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lol. Still playing that card huh? What is your main purpose here? To expose the grace people as liars?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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heartofdavid said:
Nobody here has an example of a works gospel.

Get it?

The entire deal is in their mind.
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lol. Still playing that card huh? What is your main purpose here? To expose the grace people as liars? Thge mere fact that this thread has over 52000 posts should prove to you that people are apposed to a grace alone through faith alone gospel. If they wer not. This thread would have died months ago. So who is the delusional one here???
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Budman said:
Where? Where do we say that? Yet another false accusation!

Christ took ALL of our punishment, Ralph! That's what we keep saying!

STOP YOUR LYING!
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I used to say this to Peter and would keep putting it in his face. I got half the chatroom mad at me.. Be careful my friend. People may turn on you.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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heartofdavid said:
Let me help you guys

Religion is men building a ladder to heaven.

Christianity is God extending his ladder to earth.

Cults and religion do this,build ladders

This thread is somehow oblivios to that simple fact
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people who claim we must work to maintains salvation are trying to build the ladder. Yet you have spent time here saying they are our brothers, and we are falsely accusing them, and no one here teaches this..

So can you make up your mind? WHich is it?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Budman said:
Ralph, you really need to stop accusing us of hating you. Correcting you in not the equivalent of hatred. And stop threatening us with God simply because we don't agree with you.
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Blame shift away,, We do not hate him, We hate his sin,, All he would have to do is repent, ans stop lying about people. And even if we still did not agree with his gospel. We would not have to call him out for his sin.

 
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