The Adamic Sin Nature

[Deade]

Go back and read from the beginning of the discussion. I didn't contradict anybody. Are you a stalker?

I have been following this thread from the beginning. I posted the 4 verses your were arguing about in KJV. I basically agreed with you against preacher4truth, and you call me a stalker. I said you were arguing and fighting not contradicting. Quit using terms like probation and you won't get into so many fights.

 

[jaybird88]

Adam. Hence "Adamic sin nature".

Ezekiel 18:20

20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

i dont get it, you have Ez devoting pretty much an entire chapter to the fact that sins, iniquities, wickedness are NOT passed down from father to son.
looks to me like the scriptures say one thing, man says another. think im gonna go with the scriptures on this.

 

[jaybird88]

Good Day!

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

God Bless...

i see sin entering the world, and i couldnt agree more, i dont see sin nature being put into mankind against our will. i wouldnt do that to my kids.

 

[jimd]

Ezekiel 18:20

20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

i dont get it, you have Ez devoting pretty much an entire chapter to the fact that sins, iniquities, wickedness are NOT passed down from father to son.
looks to me like the scriptures say one thing, man says another. think im gonna go with the scriptures on this.

That's because you do not understand iniquities and wickedness are not the same thing as a sin nature, having a sin nature is not a sin, it's when we allow it to cause us to sin that sin enters in.

 

[jimd]

Question, how many here think getting this figured out exactly right is critical to your salvation?

 

[jimd]

Question, how many here think getting this figured out exactly right is critical to your salvation?

Answer: We do not have to figure out exactly how God works, we just have to have faith that He knows.

 

[jaybird88]

That's because you do not understand iniquities and wickedness are not the same thing as a sin nature, having a sin nature is not a sin, it's when we allow it to cause us to sin that sin enters in.

no matter how you spin it the end result is the same thing, sin. we have no choice to "allow" sin to enter, according to this manmade doctrine, this is how the the Almighty designed us.
it does not add up with the bible.
it does not add up with mankind, if it did every city would be Sodom.
the doctrine didnt exist until 400 years after Jesus ascended.

 

[jimd]

no matter how you spin it the end result is the same thing, sin. we have no choice to "allow" sin to enter, according to this manmade doctrine, this is how the the Almighty designed us.
it does not add up with the bible.
it does not add up with mankind, if it did every city would be Sodom.
the doctrine didnt exist until 400 years after Jesus ascended.

Yes this is the way God designed us (not many will agree). He also designed us a way out. I do not understand it all perfectly but I have faith in Him, do you?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

i see sin entering the world, and i couldnt agree more, i dont see sin nature being put into mankind against our will. i wouldnt do that to my kids.

That makes you a Pelagian.

 

[jimd]

That makes you a Pelagian.

Pelagian was just like us, some good ideas and some not so good.

 

[jaybird88]

That makes you a Pelagian.

in other words it makes me a man that base my thoughts on what the bible actually says rather than roman politics? i wouldnt have it any other way.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Ezekiel 18:20

20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

i dont get it, you have Ez devoting pretty much an entire chapter to the fact that sins, iniquities, wickedness are NOT passed down from father to son.
looks to me like the scriptures say one thing, man says another. think im gonna go with the scriptures on this.

The guilt of Adam's disobedience was not imputed to every man. That is what you are talking about. But the consequences of his disobedience affected the whole human race. Think of a criminal whose guilt is strictly his own. But what about the consequences of his crime?

 

[jaybird88]

Yes this is the way God designed us (not many will agree). He also designed us a way out. I do not understand it all perfectly but I have faith in Him, do you?

i think the Father designed us with a choice. if there truly was a sin nature then there would be no need for Satan.

 

[jaybird88]

The guilt of Adam's disobedience was not imputed to every man. That is what you are talking about. But the consequences of his disobedience affected the whole human race. Think of a criminal whose guilt is strictly his own. But what about the consequences of his crime?

Adams disobedience affected the world, i agree with that.
Adam didnt disobey on his own, he was tempted, he had a choice, the same choice we all have.

 

[jimd]

i think the Father designed us with a choice. if there truly was a sin nature then there would be no need for Satan.

Bingo! satan is another bible term for sin nature. Who or what else on this earth accuses and deceives you besides yourself or some other human?

 

[Deade]

i think the Father designed us with a choice. if there truly was a sin nature then there would be no need for Satan.

Your right jaybird88, but Satan can't appeal to us unless the sin nature exists. James 1:14: "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."

 

[jaybird88]

Bingo! satan is another bible term for sin nature. Who or what else on this earth accuses and deceives you besides yourself or some other human?

i suppose but Satan is still an actual real being with his own self awerness.

 

[jaybird88]

Your right jaybird88, but Satan can't appeal to us unless the sin nature exists. James 1:14: "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."

there would be no need for Satan to appeal to us in the first place if we have this sin nature that will make us sin anyway.

James says nothing on us sinning because we have a built in sin nature, he says we sin when we are tempted like i been saying all along.

 

[jimd]

Your right jaybird88, but Satan can't appeal to us unless the sin nature exists. James 1:14: "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."

This verse is saying we are tempted by our own lust, which equates to satan if you can see it, very few do.

 

[jimd]

i suppose but Satan is still an actual real being with his own self awerness.

That is what you have believed and been taught but it is not true and you must find your own way.