Do Muslims worship the God of Abraham?

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Both nations come from the same father (Abraham) Both Isaac and Ishmael together buried him in the cave

The elder was to serve the younger as a pattern throughout.Just as the first Adam would serve the last Adam, Christ

1Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Bot the apostate Jew and apostate Islam refused to mix faith in what they did see or hear showing their hearts are hard.The same thing that repeats itself today . Both deny the veil is rent .Both looking for a fleshly savour (no faith)

But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.Luk 22:21
 
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I would say I dont know to your question Locutus, but I would like to also say this, that their book they read does mention the Lord Jesus Christ as prophet, which He was the last and greatest prophet of all people because of Him being more than just a prophet, but because He was the Son of God, the Messiah.

Now, just because of this mention here, I can say that I'm sure not all of the Muslim people are bad, just like Jehovah witness, or even the Mormons.

They have some mentioning of the Lord Jesus Christ in some form or fashion.


Can these people be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, even before they really understood God, or the Lord Jesus Christ quite fully?
Yet they live their life, and do their best to Love other people as they keep going through this life we all have to live, surely God can make a way for them to understand the real truth by the holy spirit?

I believe people can be set free of religious bondage by the Lord Jesus Christ, to be able to Love God, and Love others freely as we live day by day.
 
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Had Ishmael believed his father, Abraham, he too would be of the faith of Abraham.

Ishmael is the wild one, and he fathered twelve also, called princes, or heads of their household.

The Moslem nations, though they call themselves Islam are many nations today.

I do not know the mystery of them, but our Fatherr has a plan for all. Jesus Christ is God and Savior. They give Him credit for beig a prophet, but what kind of faith to they have if Jesus convessed He is God and they put Him at the level of aprophet?
 
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JaumeJ said:
Had Ishmael believed his father, Abraham, he too would be of the faith of Abraham.

Ishmael is the wild one, and he fathered twelve also, called princes, or heads of their household.

The Moslem nations, though they call themselves Islam are many nations today.

I do not know the mystery of them, but our Fatherr has a plan for all. Jesus Christ is God and Savior. They give Him credit for beig a prophet, but what kind of faith to they have if Jesus convessed He is God and they put Him at the level of a prophet?
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Had Ishmael believed his Father in heaven not seen , he too would be of the faith of Abraham. (God's faith ) Abraham is typified as our father in heaven . Both the Jew and islam did not mix faith in what they did see or hear.

Because the genealogy of Christ as the generation of Christ ended with Christ . Today they is no way a Jew could trace its ancestors for identification purposes. What you'll end up with is 57 varieties.

The spiritual unseen seed was protected by the father until that time period. Abraham in respect to the spiritual seed Christ is typified as the father of many nations .

Birth certificates hold no spiritual value today

The Jewish nations, though they call themselves Jews are many nations today .
 
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Isn't Jesus the God of Abraham?
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Yep...the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob......not the same god that the descendants of Ishmael worship although at some point in the future they will be forced to crack their knees, bow and confess to the glory of God before they get cast into the proverbial lake-o-fire*

*Disclaimer* ALL who have not trusted into the saving faith of JESUS biblically based upon the ONE TRUE GOSPEL
 
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I will offer one of the what I call... “think not” doctrines.

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Both the apostate Jew as well as apostate Islam walked by sight no mixing faith in what they heard or saw .. We have Abraham to our father in respect to the unseen father in heaven. Blaspheming the holy name by which we are called heavenward.

The Catholics followed the same pattern and replaced the name Abraham, with Peter

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Peter to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Peter .

The literalist simply does not look to lively stones (unseen) they make up the spiritual unseen house as the bride of Christ, but rather gory in that seen, flesh and blood. They have their reward.
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
Huh...?
Do you read my posts...?
It is completely impossible that you have read my posts and then come to this...it would require a near total lack of reading comprehension...
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I am not sure i should respond as i have unintentionally peeved you but...If Jesus was not claiming to be God, putting Himself equal with God, by many things He said, they would not have killed Him.
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I think you need to re-read some of your earlier posts, and I don't follow the way you post very well.

I suggest you write somewhat more coherently.
 
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I think she already writes very coherently. :) I never have trouble reading or understanding her posts..


Locutus said:
I think you need to re-read some of your earlier posts, and I don't follow the way you post very well.

I suggest you write somewhat more coherently.
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I thought it's the same God. They just have a focus on Muhammad and his life. It's not so bad just read a book about it that has an unbiased opinion. And media coverage is not fair & all Muslims are not extremists.
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No,its not the same god,small g,at all. And Muslims who truly follow the Quran are extreme. Read the Quran, you'll change your mind.
 
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They believe they are, and many Muslims are better Christians than those that know Jesus, but the problem is their belief in the teachings of Muhammad. Muhammad was spoken to by what he believes was the angel Gabriel, but that angel contradicts the Bible so i suspect that it was a demon. And catholic church had a strong influence on the teachings of Muhammad as well. So they are following the teachings of a demon and the some catholic doctrines which is a different God to the one that Abraham worshiped.
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Many Muslims are better Christians than Christians?! Is that what you are trying to say? What the....
 
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God = Love
Allah,and Mo = Hate

Any questions?
 
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Locutus said:
Well yeah, some kind of discussion before the stone throwing started..






I haven't a clue what the above tirade has anything to do with the topic.
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You've been here long enough to know better :p
 
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MHz said:
At your command.
The 'Lamb' is a specific term used for events connected to the Great White Throne and beyond that event which is the New Earth.

Re:22:1:
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life,
clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Re:22:3:
And there shall be no more curse:
but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it;
and his servants shall serve him:

Re:7:9:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
Re:7:10:
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.


If it helps the Holy Spirit is represented by the throne.
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Ive seen many testimonies by muslims who became christian and almost all say the quran and the Bible are like night and day. The quran says to hate and kill thy enimies while the Bible says love and pray for thy enimies. Thats a huge differance! But you've been banned so a pity you'll never see this
 
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Locutus said:
Open for comments.
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I would say yes they do but are deceived into staying enslaved to the Old Covenant laws and not the freedom and grace found in the Gospel of Christ.

They are admittedly children of Hagar and not of Sarai, illegitimate and not of the Promise.
 
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Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
 
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MatthewG said:
I would say I dont know to your question Locutus, but I would like to also say this, that their book they read does mention the Lord Jesus Christ as prophet, which He was the last and greatest prophet of all people because of Him being more than just a prophet, but because He was the Son of God, the Messiah.

Now, just because of this mention here, I can say that I'm sure not all of the Muslim people are bad, just like Jehovah witness, or even the Mormons.

They have some mentioning of the Lord Jesus Christ in some form or fashion.


Can these people be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, even before they really understood God, or the Lord Jesus Christ quite fully?
Yet they live their life, and do their best to Love other people as they keep going through this life we all have to live, surely God can make a way for them to understand the real truth by the holy spirit?

I believe people can be set free of religious bondage by the Lord Jesus Christ, to be able to Love God, and Love others freely as we live day by day.
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I believe like the modern day Jews and even most of the Jews in Jesus time..Muslims need the Gospel.

The Quran is a corrupt book that protrays God as a stern dictator that is always Just. Its heroes are sinless and Jesus is just one among many. It teaches a sinless perfection that folks should strive. In some ways it's not very different from some false doctrines many churches espouse. It is full of legalisn, some version of the law of karma...do good things and good things will happen to you, if bad things are happening to you,it's because you have sinned (sounds like the prosperity teachers we have)..

In contrast we have the Bible, who tells us if flawed men who sinned but because of God's mercy and grace are forgiven and used. We have a Savior who died upon the cross for our sins. A King who washes His disciples feet.

The Jesus we have in the Bible doesn't remotely resemble the Jesus of Mormons, Muslims or Jehovah witnesses
 
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garee said:
Both nations come from the same father (Abraham) Both Isaac and Ishmael together buried him in the cave

The elder was to serve the younger as a pattern throughout.Just as the first Adam would serve the last Adam, Christ

1Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Bot the apostate Jew and apostate Islam refused to mix faith in what they did see or hear showing their hearts are hard.The same thing that repeats itself today . Both deny the veil is rent .Both looking for a fleshly savour (no faith)

But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.Luk 22:21
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Amen.,...what I don't get is why some Christian think the Jewish people who reject Jesus are better then the Muslim folks who reject Jesus..,,they both reject Jesus and show a need for a savior.

They both don't understand who God really is or His Salvation plan for this world.
 
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The Gate of the enemies of the descendants of Abraham was promised for the nations. These would be of teh child of Promise, Isaac, not of the child of the Bondwoman.

So Moslims are counted with the nations.
 
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