DELIVER US FROM DELIVERANCE MINISTERS

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7seasrekeyed

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Also to 7seas I re read the thread and noticed you keep asking about if a deliverance minister is in scripture as an office. The answer to that is no it is not, not because it isn't biblical but the term minister wasn't even applied to the early century church. I mean the word rapture is not in the bible but the event itself is spoken of in it.

I think that a minister of deliverance is more like a head teacher or a person to help guide and show less experienced believers in that ministry. Of course there is limited scripture to be able to prove the deliverance as an actual ministry itself rather it is more of something that Jesus and the apostles did.

hi Blain


there is no such thing as a deliverance ministry (ie the only focus is on demons) or minister

as myself and others have stated numerous times, dealing with demons is part of ministry or a ministry

we do not make a 'special' ministry out of demons anymore than we make a special ministry out of speaking in tongues or whatever

the focus should never be on the demons, but on Jesus

there is no scripture that can be supplied, as most have already posted in the thread, that indicates you need a special deliverance minister. casting out demons is in scripture but not as a stand alone ministry

every Christian is supposed to know how to deal with ungodly things but sadly many either ignore it or over emphasize it

neither approach is correct
 
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heartofdavid

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Stepping backwards and falling down is not the same as being sent flying backwards, that is a good attempt but it's not the same thing. in many other translations it says they stepped backwards and fell down so you have to cross reference different translations to fully understand certain things.
Dang dude really?????

She fell backwards.

Is that some kind of issue??????
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Stepping backwards and falling down is not the same as being sent flying backwards, that is a good attempt but it's not the same thing. in many other translations it says they stepped backwards and fell down so you have to cross reference different translations to fully understand certain things.
this is a problem here Blain

he is trying to derail the thread with numerous so called personal events

could we please stop feeding this?

thanks
 

Blain

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Maybe this will help.

"Ministry" is from the Greek word diakoneo, meaning "to serve" or douleuo, meaning "to serve as a slave." In the New Testament, ministry is seen as service to God and to other people in His name. Jesus provided the pattern for Christian ministry—He came, not to receive service, but to give it (see Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; John 13:1-17).

The Christian should minister by meeting people's needs with love and humility on Christ's behalf (see Matthew 20:26; Mark 10:43; John 2:5,9; Acts 6:3; Romans 1:1; Galatians 1:10; Colossians 4:12). Christians are to minister to others out of their devotion to Christ and their love for others, whether the other people are believers or unbelievers. Ministry to others should be impartial and unconditional, always seeking to help others as Jesus would.

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-ministry.html
Yes but as far as ministry goes it's a bit more complex than that. Like say the ministry of a prophet or a ministry of a prayer warrior. Everyone is given certain skills and talents that different fits of the spirit that classify them into certain ministries within his kingdom. some are called to teach others to heal others still are called to be prophets but the tree of how this all works is kind of interesting. We all have a certain ministry that God uses us for if there is a ministry of deliverance then I would assume some of the gifts that person might have is the gift of healing, the gift of faith and possibly the word of knowledge.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Yes but as far as ministry goes it's a bit more complex than that. Like say the ministry of a prophet or a ministry of a prayer warrior. Everyone is given certain skills and talents that different fits of the spirit that classify them into certain ministries within his kingdom. some are called to teach others to heal others still are called to be prophets but the tree of how this all works is kind of interesting. We all have a certain ministry that God uses us for if there is a ministry of deliverance then I would assume some of the gifts that person might have is the gift of healing, the gift of faith and possibly the word of knowledge.
Blain, if you really want to discuss these things, how about starting your own thread

you are totally off the op and I don't appreciate it
 
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heartofdavid

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Yes but as far as ministry goes it's a bit more complex than that. Like say the ministry of a prophet or a ministry of a prayer warrior. Everyone is given certain skills and talents that different fits of the spirit that classify them into certain ministries within his kingdom. some are called to teach others to heal others still are called to be prophets but the tree of how this all works is kind of interesting. We all have a certain ministry that God uses us for if there is a ministry of deliverance then I would assume some of the gifts that person might have is the gift of healing, the gift of faith and possibly the word of knowledge.
Could be,I have cast demons out only a few times.
Jesus said raise the dead.

Is that a ministry?
I don't know. probably is.

Some minister in child trafficking. That is their ministry.

Of course they are obviously equipped in other arenas.

I don't find any of those in the bible as "ministries/ministers"

Does not prevent them from ministering.
 

Blain

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Blain, if you really want to discuss these things, how about starting your own thread

you are totally off the op and I don't appreciate it
I apologize I didn't mean to derail your thread
 
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Ariel82

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Oh yeah,I get it.
How naive of me to suggest sin and demons would be connected.

How about an ounce of benefit of the doubt. Your bias has clouded your outlook.
That isn't what I said at all. Your pride has clouded you judgement of reality.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I apologize I didn't mean to derail your thread
Blain I know you well enough to know that

this guy is purposefully aggravating and drew you in

no problem with you at all

thanks!
 
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heartofdavid

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Stepping backwards and falling down is not the same as being sent flying backwards, that is a good attempt but it's not the same thing. in many other translations it says they stepped backwards and fell down so you have to cross reference different translations to fully understand certain things.
No,they were propelled backwards.

You are doing your best to infer that they in slow motion took one step backwards,then slowly bent down to the ground,careful not to give any appearance of being PROPELLED BACKWARDS.

How weird of you to go to that length.
 
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Ariel82

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Maybe this will help.

"Ministry" is from the Greek word diakoneo, meaning "to serve" or douleuo, meaning "to serve as a slave." In the New Testament, ministry is seen as service to God and to other people in His name. Jesus provided the pattern for Christian ministry—He came, not to receive service, but to give it (see Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; John 13:1-17).

The Christian should minister by meeting people's needs with love and humility on Christ's behalf (see Matthew 20:26; Mark 10:43; John 2:5,9; Acts 6:3; Romans 1:1; Galatians 1:10; Colossians 4:12). Christians are to minister to others out of their devotion to Christ and their love for others, whether the other people are believers or unbelievers. Ministry to others should be impartial and unconditional, always seeking to help others as Jesus would.

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-ministry.html
Yes we are to minister to one another...
 
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heartofdavid

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That isn't what I said at all. Your pride has clouded you judgement of reality.
I can repent. No problem.

That surely will invoke some other slam by you.

You obviously got a problem with me.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Here is an easy read...I suggest that anyone still questioning the validity of specializing in the demonic is biblical or not, to read this when you have time

the highlighted areas are a good summation of what the Bible says regarding the op


Question: "What is deliverance ministry, and is it biblical?"

Answer:
The generally agreed-upon definition of “deliverance ministry” will usually focus on the casting out of demons or spirits in an attempt to solve problems related to specific demons. For example, a deliverance minister may seek to help someone overcome anger by casting out a spirit of anger. Deliverance ministries also focus on tearing down spiritual strongholds in one’s life, finding inner healing, and claiming the victory in Christ over all enemies. Many refer to soul ties, curses, and the “legal rights” of demons. Biblically, demons or evil spirits are known to be fallen angels that rebelled in heaven with Satan (Revelation 12:4, 9; Isaiah 14:12–20; Ezekiel 28:1–19).

There is certainly quite a bit in Scripture about Satan and his horde of demons. There is little said about deliverance from them, and nothing said about deliverance as a “ministry.” The offices of the church are found in Ephesians 4:11. First were the apostles and prophets, the foundation of the church—with Jesus being the Chief Corner Stone (Ephesians 2:20). Next are listed evangelists, then pastors, and teachers. The ability to cast out demons is not listed as a spiritual gift or a ministerial duty.

The Gospels and Acts relate that Jesus and the disciples cast out demons. The teaching portions of the New Testament (Romans through Jude) refer to demonic activity yet do not discuss the method of casting them out, nor are believers exhorted to do so. We are told to put on the whole armor of God to stand against spiritual wickedness (Ephesians 6:10–18). We are told to resist the devil (James 4:7) and not give him room in our lives (Ephesians 4:27). However, we are not told how to cast him or his demons out of others, or that we should even consider doing so.

It is interesting that we have no record of Jesus’ instructions to His disciples on how to cast out demons, with the possible exceptions of Matthew 12:43–45 and 17:19–21, where some insight is given. When the disciples discovered that demons were subject to them in the name and authority of Jesus, they were joyful (Luke 10:17; cf. Acts 5:16; 8:7; 16:18; 19:12). But Jesus told the disciples, “Do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven” (Luke 10:20).

Rather than being given a specific “deliverance ministry,” we have an authority in the powerful name of Jesus. One day, John said to Jesus, “We saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.’ ‘Do not stop him,’ Jesus said. ‘For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us’” (Mark 9:38–40). Authority over demons is clearly the power of the Lord at work, whether or not the exorcist has a special ministry of deliverance.

The emphasis in spiritual warfare is highlighted in verses such as 1 John 4:4, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world [the devil].” The victory is ours because of the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. Believers can overcome their struggles with the past, habits, and addictions, because “everyone born of God overcomes the world” (1 John 5:4). We need prayer, godly counsel, and the support of a good church, but not necessarily a “deliverance minister.”

We are told to “be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith. . . . And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast” (1 Peter 5:8–10).

The key to victory in the Christian life is to be filled (controlled and empowered) with the Holy Spirit on a moment-by-moment basis (Ephesians 5:18). The Father knows who are His: “Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God” (Romans 8:14). The Holy Spirit will not indwell anyone who is not born again (John 3:3–8; 2 Timothy 2:19; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 3:16), so the first step in spiritual victory is to place our faith in Jesus Christ. Then, rejoice that Jesus is in you and you have His power and His victory.
 
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heartofdavid

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What is ya'lls point of making sure no minister masters in deliverance?

I am not nor would want to be them. But thank God for them.

I am called to a different ministry.

I would never share that in this arena.

I would be served up as chopped liver.
 
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Ariel82

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actually i don't slam people and i have no issue with you.

i take people at their word. if you say you saw a witch have a demon cast out of her and her fly backwards, I believe that is what you witness.


was you minister a man of God?

i don't know him, so i can't say. i would have to ask more question and test what spirit he came from.

see if he taught the gospel and built God's kingdom or if he tried and build his own.

since he isn't here, that is highly unlikely.

however you boasted of a lot. would you be willing to be tested?

for God says to test all to see if they are from Him.
 
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Ariel82

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why do you sound so defensive?

chopped liver?
 
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heartofdavid

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actually i don't slam people and i have no issue with you.

i take people at their word. if you say you saw a witch have a demon cast out of her and her fly backwards, I believe that is what you witness.


was you minister a man of God?

i don't know him, so i can't say. i would have to ask more question and test what spirit he came from.

see if he taught the gospel and built God's kingdom or if he tried and build his own.

since he isn't here, that is highly unlikely.

however you boasted of a lot. would you be willing to be tested?

for God says to test all to see if they are from Him.
I said I could help them.

Why do you say I am boasting.?

I boast in the fact that God is bigger than any demon they got.
When David came upon the scene of Goliath,he KNEW that that demon was a fly to God.
Therefore he powerfully addresses both Saul and the Giant.

Ascribing another realm to his motives was what his brothers did to him. They despised him.
 

Katy-follower

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ministry?

my question, is IS THERE AN ACTUAL DELIVERANCE MINISTER ministry that we can reference in scripture?
Here's a good writeup I found on it...

Question: "What is deliverance ministry, and is it biblical?"

Answer: The generally agreed-upon definition of “deliverance ministry” will usually focus on the casting out of demons or spirits in an attempt to solve problems related to specific demons. For example, a deliverance minister may seek to help someone overcome anger by casting out a spirit of anger. Deliverance ministries also focus on tearing down spiritual strongholds in one’s life, finding inner healing, and claiming the victory in Christ over all enemies. Many refer to soul ties, curses, and the “legal rights” of demons. Biblically, demons or evil spirits are known to be fallen angels that rebelled in heaven with Satan (Revelation 12:4, 9; Isaiah 14:12–20; Ezekiel 28:1–19).

There is certainly quite a bit in Scripture about Satan and his horde of demons. There is little said about deliverance from them, and nothing said about deliverance as a “ministry.” The offices of the church are found in Ephesians 4:11. First were the apostles and prophets, the foundation of the church—with Jesus being the Chief Corner Stone (Ephesians 2:20). Next are listed evangelists, then pastors, and teachers. The ability to cast out demons is not listed as a spiritual gift or a ministerial duty.

The Gospels and Acts relate that Jesus and the disciples cast out demons. The teaching portions of the New Testament (Romans through Jude) refer to demonic activity yet do not discuss the method of casting them out, nor are believers exhorted to do so. We are told to put on the whole armor of God to stand against spiritual wickedness (Ephesians 6:10–18). We are told to resist the devil (James 4:7) and not give him room in our lives (Ephesians 4:27). However, we are not told how to cast him or his demons out of others, or that we should even consider doing so.

It is interesting that we have no record of Jesus’ instructions to His disciples on how to cast out demons, with the possible exceptions of Matthew 12:43–45 and 17:19–21, where some insight is given. When the disciples discovered that demons were subject to them in the name and authority of Jesus, they were joyful (Luke 10:17; cf. Acts 5:16; 8:7; 16:18; 19:12). But Jesus told the disciples, “Do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven” (Luke 10:20).

Rather than being given a specific “deliverance ministry,” we have an authority in the powerful name of Jesus. One day, John said to Jesus, “We saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.’ ‘Do not stop him,’ Jesus said. ‘For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us’” (Mark 9:38–40). Authority over demons is clearly the power of the Lord at work, whether or not the exorcist has a special ministry of deliverance.

The emphasis in spiritual warfare is highlighted in verses such as 1 John 4:4, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world [the devil].” The victory is ours because of the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. Believers can overcome their struggles with the past, habits, and addictions, because “everyone born of God overcomes the world” (1 John 5:4). We need prayer, godly counsel, and the support of a good church, but not necessarily a “deliverance minister.”

We are told to “be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith. . . . And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast” (1 Peter 5:8–10).

The key to victory in the Christian life is to be filled (controlled and empowered) with the Holy Spirit on a moment-by-moment basis (Ephesians 5:18). The Father knows who are His: “Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God” (Romans 8:14). The Holy Spirit will not indwell anyone who is not born again (John 3:3–8; 2 Timothy 2:19; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 3:16), so the first step in spiritual victory is to place our faith in Jesus Christ. Then, rejoice that Jesus is in you and you have His power and His victory.​
 
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7seasrekeyed

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That isn't what I said at all. Your pride has clouded you judgement of reality.
here is his accusation in another thread and what I said. this is what he is doing in the forums


Originally Posted by heartofdavid
I can't believe this guy is allowed to continue to poison this site.

Very toxic slanderous lying spirit operating.



really?

so your answer is to accuse him of having an evil spirit?

nice

seems to be your diagnosis for anyone who disagrees with your hyper charismatic viewpoint

this type of stereo typical response from someone who says they are Charismatic illustrates the op

somebody tell me how this helps anyone or why we need to keep responding to someone who seems to be desperate to be noticed?

so off topic, yet illustrates why we should not seek out demon hunters