DELIVER US FROM DELIVERANCE MINISTERS

[7seasrekeyed]

Jesus said " cast out demons,heal the sick,raise the dead"

David Hogan ministries has over 200 raised from the dead IN MEXICO.

He has not asked anyone on cc for permission.
Is dead raising a ministry? I mean i cant find it in the word.
But lets just ignore that Jesus commanded it.
Lets shift into word games.

See how that works?

yeah that doesn't work for me at all

in fact, you could write 101 dalmatians just as well

did someone say raising the dead is or is not a ministry? you know, they actually did not

if in fact someone is raised from the dead, I would call that PART of ministry, the exact same way casting out or dealing with demons is...it is a PART of ministry and not the ministry itself

so glad we had this little chat

 

[heartofdavid]

so we will simply ignore the fact that deliverance ministers do not exist in scripture, we will manufacture them anyway and label them and run to them when someone is in trouble

just too stinkin bad if we cannot find one near where we live

as for any so called deliverance minister casting out a demon as you referenced in yr post 128, if casting out a demon makes one a deliverance minister, then I would be one also

however, dealing with what comes along, simply makes one obedient to the calling of our Lord Jesus Christ

and by the way, I think yr posts to devotiontobible on the other thread really illustrate massive unconcern for someone who is hurting badly

if you think it is more important to push YOUR personal beliefs on someone who needs prayer because of the situation with his daughter who is held captive by false doctrine and demonic teaching (a la Bethel) and tell him his daughter might be called to be a deliverance minister, then I think you suffer from true ignorance and don't know how to identify with another believer in their grief .... Bethel ... this is not a house of God

not to mention the way you attacked valleyofdecision because he touched on a sacred cow

honestly...I don't know when I got so steamed up as when I saw the dribble you wrote to devotiontobible

Your little buddy wasnt there to see my teenage daughters radically,radically changed and transformed by the Holy Spirit.

Nor the awesome worship and intimacy poured out and entered into in every meeting.

He wasn't there when the witch came up to Steve Hill while we were standing together and chanted curses at him and he replied " that doesn't work in here honey" then touched her head and she went flying. I saw her get up weeping and taken to the altar.
She came back the next day. They had to point her out to me as her countenance was unrecognizable.
But hey maybe you and your buddy can trash that or just relegate it into emotion.

Sacred cow?
Maybe.
Try it on.

 

[heartofdavid]

Btw, word search "Devil". (E gads the forbidden term word search), i looked up 2 references out of several, " devil" is not a good translation at all.

Whooda thought it?
...after all the hooopla of " devils".
Too funny.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Your little buddy wasnt there to see my teenage daughters radically,radically changed and transformed by the Holy Spirit.

Nor the awesome worship and intimacy poured out and entered into in every meeting.

He wasn't there when the witch came up to Steve Hill while we were standing together and chanted curses at him and he replied " that doesn't work in here honey" then touched her head and she went flying. I saw her get up weeping and taken to the altar.
She came back the next day. They had to point her out to me as her countenance was unrecognizable.
But hey maybe you and your buddy can trash that or just relegate it into emotion.

Sacred cow?
Maybe.
Try it on.

something wrong with you

I believe in the gifts...speak and pray in tongues and have witnessed and participated in a good number of GODLY supernatural events

sorry

you don't own the Holy Spirit and for some bizarre reason you seem to think no one but you is spirit filled

I just do not go in for the excesses

you are making a case for AVOIDING what you write about due to your demeanor

it keeps getting meaner

I don't write...very very seldom...about personal experiences on here because they are exactly that...personal...and no way to prove them

but you just go on then...as you do in every thread, but I am going to leave off responding to you because I think you have me mixed up with a cessationist or two

I know nothing about Steve Hill...that was your discussion with someone who has left...I didn't care for your ugly reply

 

[heartofdavid]

Diabolou means adversary.
Not " devil"

Carry on.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Diabolou means adversary.
Not " devil"

Carry on.

you must be lurking here...this is my last response as you wrote this as my other response posted

grow up

I wrote there was but one devil and many demons

the devil has many names and not in Greek

you are making a name for yourself at this point...master nitpicker

 

[heartofdavid]

something wrong with you

I believe in the gifts...speak and pray in tongues and have witnessed and participated in a good number of GODLY supernatural events

sorry

you don't own the Holy Spirit and for some bizarre reason you seem to think no one but you is spirit filled

I just do not go in for the excesses

you are making a case for AVOIDING what you write about due to your demeanor

it keeps getting meaner

I don't write...very very seldom...about personal experiences on here because they are exactly that...personal...and no way to prove them

but you just go on then...as you do in every thread, but I am going to leave off responding to you because I think you have me mixed up with a cessationist or two

Personal testimony is unique.
Should not be trashed over some supposition or rumor.

You ignore that completely and frost the cake. With " your mean demeanor "

As many times as you have gone balistic on folks,maybe you have clouded your outlook.

 

[heartofdavid]

The facts i post are facts.
Maybe a person can address a few things with questions instead of some default of a need to despoil.

 

[heartofdavid]

Anyone can lay waste to anothers testimony.

That is so easy. Then when they defend pull the ole mislable card.

 

[Blain]

Anyone can lay waste to anothers testimony.

That is so easy. Then when they defend pull the ole mislable card.

I have to admit buddy your testimony about the witch is kinda sketchy. I mean I am a believer of the power of the holy spirit I do not like to put God in a box but the witch was sent flying from him touching her? I think that is a bit overkill. The holy spirit does not send people flying I mean have you ever seen those hyped up preachers who slam a persons forehead to free them from possession or for healing? All it takes to heal someone or to free them from possession is prayer, the power of prayer alone can do the impossible but prayer doesn't send people flying.

I am not saying you lying I just am finding it difficult to believe I know that some people can go to far into the whole spiritual supernatural section of God and can abandon discernment.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

this thread is not about personal testimonies

it has been or tried to be, about what scripture states regarding so called deliverance ministers

I don't want to argue with anyone, but when someone comes along and purposefully disregards the actual op and then goes about trying to make the thread their own personal hobby horse, I tend to view that as rude and argumentative

we have discussed alot in this thread...if anyone wants to continue along the actual lines of the op, that would be great

I am going to ignore the interruptions...it is up to others if they do the same...half the arguments in this forum would cease if people had a little respect for the conversations of others and of course, a person can always start their own thread...who knows...maybe testimonies about personal experiences with the supernatural that no one can prove (but we trust no one is lying to the best of their knowledge) has a place...but goading and trying to fight is a testimony all of its own if anyone can see that

anyway...here is the op again for the sake of convenience:

are deliverance ministers genuine or not?

is that an actual ministry?

I believe demons exist. I believe they need to be dealt with as the occasion may arise.

I do not believe we go chasing them, specialize in them or otherwise create an entire 'ministry' surrounding them

thoughts and comments of either side....scripture backing up what you think is helpful

name calling not desired or helpful

addendum: attempting to prove you are a deliverance minister or someone else is, is hearsay...not admissible as proof of anything; but if you insist, well, shows a lack of self control IMO

 

[Ariel82]

No
He is referring to the backslider. One who has departed the faith and entrapped in wilful disobedience.
Many of them can not find their way back.
I can help them big time. And if they have demons i can handle driving them out. Even the stubborn ones that say " you can't cast us out"

You can help them big time?

Highly unlikely since pride is one of the warning signs of the wrong type of wisdom.

The translation of "devils" is often "unclean spirits"

And "diablos" refers to the Devil or Satan because his job before he fell from heaven was what we refer to in our legal system as "Prosecuting attorney" he was the one accusing mankind of our sins and arguing that we should be punished to the fullest.

Jesus is our Advocate or mediator.

The Bible teaches that there is more to deliverance then just casting out of demons (which is done by God's angels and through prayer not the power of one man).

Jesus says that when a demon or evil spirit is cast out it wanders through dry places and returns home to find the house clean and empty. It then gets seven of its friends and the person ends up worst than when they begin.

Therefore cleaning house isn't enough. People need the Gospel. They need the Holy spirit to come live instead the clean house and protect and seal them from invasion.


It is the Holy spirit that chased away the darkness and if we don't acknowledge God's glory and power, then we have to examine our hearts and see where is our wisdom flowing from?

Also the backskidet doesn't need demons cast out...they may need help tearing down spiritual strongholds that demons made before they were cast out by the Holy spirit.they may need to stop listening to their lies, but the Holy spirit can't live inside someone's heart along side a demon.

The demon floats outside a person and whispers lies to them. Sometimes the person believes the lies and repeats them outloud.

That is different than the demon living inside and controling the person's limbs.

 

[heartofdavid]

You can help them big time?

Highly unlikely since pride is one of the warning signs of the wrong type of wisdom.

The translation of "devils" is often "unclean spirits"

And "diablos" refers to the Devil or Satan because his job before he fell from heaven was what we refer to in our legal system as "Prosecuting attorney" he was the one accusing mankind of our sins and arguing that we should be punished to the fullest.

Jesus is our Advocate or mediator.

The Bible teaches that there is more to deliverance then just casting out of demons (which is done by God's angels and through prayer not the power of one man).

Jesus says that when a demon or evil spirit is cast out it wanders through dry places and returns home to find the house clean and empty. It then gets seven of its friends and the person ends up worst than when they begin.

Therefore cleaning house isn't enough. People need the Gospel. They need the Holy spirit to come live instead the clean house and protect and seal them from invasion.


It is the Holy spirit that chased away the darkness and if we don't acknowledge God's glory and power, then we have to examine our hearts and see where is our wisdom flowing from?

Also the backskidet doesn't need demons cast out...they may need help tearing down spiritual strongholds that demons made before they were cast out by the Holy spirit.they may need to stop listening to their lies, but the Holy spirit can't live inside someone's heart along side a demon.

The demon floats outside a person and whispers lies to them. Sometimes the person believes the lies and repeats them outloud.

That is different than the demon living inside and controling the person's limbs.

Oh yeah,I get it.
How naive of me to suggest sin and demons would be connected.

How about an ounce of benefit of the doubt. Your bias has clouded your outlook.

 

[heartofdavid]

I have to admit buddy your testimony about the witch is kinda sketchy. I mean I am a believer of the power of the holy spirit I do not like to put God in a box but the witch was sent flying from him touching her? I think that is a bit overkill. The holy spirit does not send people flying I mean have you ever seen those hyped up preachers who slam a persons forehead to free them from possession or for healing? All it takes to heal someone or to free them from possession is prayer, the power of prayer alone can do the impossible but prayer doesn't send people flying.

I am not saying you lying I just am finding it difficult to believe I know that some people can go to far into the whole spiritual supernatural section of God and can abandon discernment.

I am sure some people doubt your testimony also.
Doesn't matter does it.

 

[heartofdavid]

you must be lurking here...this is my last response as you wrote this as my other response posted

grow up

I wrote there was but one devil and many demons

the devil has many names and not in Greek

you are making a name for yourself at this point...master nitpicker

Answering your nitpicking.
KJV translates "demons" using the word "devils" which YOU MADE SOME BIZARRE issue about.

Everytime I call you,you reframe all the dynamics.
(which is what you were doing with your issue in the KJV.)

So yeah,grow up.

 

[heartofdavid]

I have to admit buddy your testimony about the witch is kinda sketchy. I mean I am a believer of the power of the holy spirit I do not like to put God in a box but the witch was sent flying from him touching her? I think that is a bit overkill. The holy spirit does not send people flying I mean have you ever seen those hyped up preachers who slam a persons forehead to free them from possession or for healing?

Here is a hyped up preacher. Weird how they flew backwards.

Jn 18;5 [FONT=&quot]They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

They probably exaggerated that.[/FONT]

 

[heartofdavid]

The facts i post are facts.
Maybe a person can address a few things with questions instead of some default of a need to despoil.

The respose is to assault my testimony.

It certainly is some default mechanism in you guys.

 

[Blain]

Also to 7seas I re read the thread and noticed you keep asking about if a deliverance minister is in scripture as an office. The answer to that is no it is not, not because it isn't biblical but the term minister wasn't even applied to the early century church. I mean the word rapture is not in the bible but the event itself is spoken of in it.

I think that a minister of deliverance is more like a head teacher or a person to help guide and show less experienced believers in that ministry. Of course there is limited scripture to be able to prove the deliverance as an actual ministry itself rather it is more of something that Jesus and the apostles did.

 

[Blain]

Here is a hyped up preacher. Weird how they flew backwards.

Jn 18;5 [FONT="]They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

They probably exaggerated that.[/FONT]

Stepping backwards and falling down is not the same as being sent flying backwards, that is a good attempt but it's not the same thing. in many other translations it says they stepped backwards and fell down so you have to cross reference different translations to fully understand certain things.

 

[heartofdavid]

Maybe this will help.

"Ministry" is from the Greek word diakoneo, meaning "to serve" or douleuo, meaning "to serve as a slave." In the New Testament, ministry is seen as service to God and to other people in His name. Jesus provided the pattern for Christian ministry—He came, not to receive service, but to give it (see Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; John 13:1-17).

The Christian should minister by meeting people's needs with love and humility on Christ's behalf (see Matthew 20:26; Mark 10:43; John 2:5,9; Acts 6:3; Romans 1:1; Galatians 1:10; Colossians 4:12). Christians are to minister to others out of their devotion to Christ and their love for others, whether the other people are believers or unbelievers. Ministry to others should be impartial and unconditional, always seeking to help others as Jesus would.

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-ministry.html