Can A Preacher Be Saved, And Yet Preach Heresy?

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Nehemiah6

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If being 100% right is needed for salvation then that is cause for fear.
This is NOT about salvation but about preachers preaching lies. If they don't know the truth, they should not be preaching, but if they claim to be preachers, they will be held accountable for their lies.
 
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#62
That's the rub. How far is too far? At what point does human error slip into heresy?
Out-and-out lying about scripture is an obvious one.
 
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#64
When our eyes are on God and not man, the Holy Spirit will show us our true motives, miraculously change our heart, and conform us into His likeness. In this way we will be set free from the need to judge others, we'll learn to see each other through God's eyes, and experience unity in the body of Christ. The Lord is faithful to do that. :)
You're a mom. You absolutely know why it is very important to judge others. Your child's life depends on it.

Same deal. If we don't judge, who's protecting the babes in Christ and the young'ns?

There is no unity with heretics.
 
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#65
Can I be a preacher (and not believe in OSAS) and still be saved? (or if I keep on preaching against OSAS will I lose my salvation?) LOL! :p
You're not a preacher yet. And, since no one believes in OSAS, I don't think it's a problem what you believe with it.
 
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I am of the understanding that when discussing scripture that they are not to be understood and acted upon linguistically rather they are to be understood legislatively given the fact that attempting to discuss them linguistically leaves every man to his own opinion and the legislative ruling only leaves two options [ 1 ] accept it or [ 2 ] reject it ....
 
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Ok, you believe and gave your life ,,, no pun intended but what was or did that save you from ?
 
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I would say yes.....many saved men get behind the pulpit and preach opinions based upon a lack of knowledge...who was it in acts that had to be given a "better understanding"....and I can think of a few ideas pushed by save men that do not measure up.......
 

Adstar

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This crossed my mind today and I'm curious what y'all think:

Can a Minister, such as a Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myers, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, (well, you get the idea) preach heresy and yet actually be saved?

Is it even possible? :confused:

Can they be wrong on a few subjects, or must the heresy be abundant and so far out in left field there can be no doubt they are lost?
Well it all depends if what a person preaches wrongly about is an essential core salvational doctrine or if it is a inumportant /disputable matter..

If a preacher preaches a position on woman wearing head covering in church or not wearing head coverings in church i would not consider that preacher to be in danger of danmation no matter what side of that matter he preached..

But if a pastor was preaching on the bodily reasurection of Jesus or Jesus was raised only in Spirit as in Jesus was a ghost when he appeard to the desiples after the reasurection, Then yeah it really does matter what side of the matter the preacher is preaching and that preacher will be in danger of damnation if he preaches that Jesus was just a ghost after his reasurection..

So i guess you got to take all these preachers you have identified and ask yourself is what they are preaching serious enough to put them in danger of eternal damnation?

Of course we all know God will be the final judge on that matter.. But we have to make our own person response to their preaching whether to accept or reject them as preachers.. I know of Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myers and i reject them as being preachers worthy of being listened to.. The prosperity doctrine is false and most of these preachers are into prosperity doctrine..

As for the rest i do not know about them.. Maybe they are known within the USA and have no real reach outside the USA.. preachers like benny hinn and to a lesser extent joel osteen do have more of an international profile..
 

gotime

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Lets just be careful, Many back in their day thought Paul and the other apostles and even Jesus were false teachers.

These days everyone thinks they have the truth and anything that does not line up with it is false. Just like they did.

For me I try to be sure of my position while trying to be open allowing my ideas to be challenged.
 
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hairesis: choice, opinion
Original Word: αἵρεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hairesis
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-ee-res-is)
Short Definition: a self-chosen opinion, a sect
Definition: a self-chosen opinion, a religious or philosophical sect, discord or contention.




Okay, so from what the greek here says, about Heresy as we call it.

Is just a self-chosen opinion, when it comes to viewing the holy bible scripture, and from any religion that has been created, or a philosophical section, also if you are making a self-chosen opinion based on Scripture, it is possible for discord or contention among others.


I have chosen in my study, and lessons and being taught from someone who understood and looked at the bible, and helped a lot of people out just using the scriptures which I'm thankful for.

God sends many people a long the way, and there is no one over you... God is the only authority we have to go to which we have access to by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Would anyone here consider any of this as an Heresy, I have made a self-chosen opinion to say all of this is true.


Believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has come back already.
Believe that Hell is not forever and ever and ever.
Believe that the Lake of Fire is not forever, and ever.
Believe that God can not be stopped by Satan, or any other Force.
Believe that God can and will draw all men unto Himself.
Believe that God doesn't stop working after someone dies, and leaves them in hell forever, or the lake of fire forever.

Believe that God is love, and mercy triumphs over judgement.
Believe that Hell is real
Believe that Lake of fire is real.
Believe that you can just be baptized by believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Believe that you don't have to understand the trinity to be saved, by the Lord Jesus Christ, and God.

Believe that anyone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ has freedom to live life by the spirit, of the Lord, and Love God, and Love Others, freely with no one having dominion over them, making choices as they make them, in their communication with God as well.

Believe the Holy spirit indwells all those who believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Believe i'm only accountable to God, and not other people and what they do with their own life, and I understand I impact peoples lives when ever I am around them, and am responsible for the way I act.

Believe there is no reason to judge anyone, because I am just as bad as everyone.

What is heresy, and what are they preaching?

Are they preaching that you have to work and do good works to go to heaven when it is really based on your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and having a relationship with Jesus, and His Father.

Are people persecuting other christians, because they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but don't believe the same way as the other people do, so they aren't christian, and you dis-member them?


Does all this subjectivity really mean anything at all? I mean isn't it all about pointing others to Christ Jesus.

 
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#76
Thank you MatthewG.:)

If there is no shared understanding and definition of the terms there is no meaningful conversation.

Maybe the OP will share what he believes is heretical

For some not believing in a pre-trib rapture is heresy and on and on.....



hairesis: choice, opinion
Original Word: αἵρεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hairesis
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-ee-res-is)
Short Definition: a self-chosen opinion, a sect
Definition: a self-chosen opinion, a religious or philosophical sect, discord or contention.




Okay, so from what the greek here says, about Heresy as we call it.

Is just a self-chosen opinion, when it comes to viewing the holy bible scripture, and from any religion that has been created, or a philosophical section, also if you are making a self-chosen opinion based on Scripture, it is possible for discord or contention among others.


I have chosen in my study, and lessons and being taught from someone who understood and looked at the bible, and helped a lot of people out just using the scriptures which I'm thankful for.

God sends many people a long the way, and there is no one over you... God is the only authority we have to go to which we have access to by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Would anyone here consider any of this as an Heresy, I have made a self-chosen opinion to say all of this is true.


Believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has come back already.
Believe that Hell is not forever and ever and ever.
Believe that the Lake of Fire is not forever, and ever.
Believe that God can not be stopped by Satan, or any other Force.
Believe that God can and will draw all men unto Himself.
Believe that God doesn't stop working after someone dies, and leaves them in hell forever, or the lake of fire forever.

Believe that God is love, and mercy triumphs over judgement.
Believe that Hell is real
Believe that Lake of fire is real.
Believe that you can just be baptized by believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Believe that you don't have to understand the trinity to be saved, by the Lord Jesus Christ, and God.

Believe that anyone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ has freedom to live life by the spirit, of the Lord, and Love God, and Love Others, freely with no one having dominion over them, making choices as they make them, in their communication with God as well.

Believe the Holy spirit indwells all those who believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Believe i'm only accountable to God, and not other people and what they do with their own life, and I understand I impact peoples lives when ever I am around them, and am responsible for the way I act.

Believe there is no reason to judge anyone, because I am just as bad as everyone.

What is heresy, and what are they preaching?

Are they preaching that you have to work and do good works to go to heaven when it is really based on your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and having a relationship with Jesus, and His Father.

Are people persecuting other christians, because they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but don't believe the same way as the other people do, so they aren't christian, and you dis-member them?


Does all this subjectivity really mean anything at all? I mean isn't it all about pointing others to Christ Jesus.

 

Chester

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May 23, 2016
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#77
Lets just be careful, Many back in their day thought Paul and the other apostles and even Jesus were false teachers.

These days everyone thinks they have the truth and anything that does not line up with it is false. Just like they did.

For me I try to be sure of my position while trying to be open allowing my ideas to be challenged.
good point and good post: I think most here agree with you - but we must also guard against true heresy . . .
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#78
I guess it would depend on what one defines as heresy. SOme churches think any heresy is pretty much damable. While others may call something (like mail theology) Hersey, but does not consider the pastor unsaved based on just that fact.

The issue is, what gospel do they teach. I believe a false gospel is a damnable heresy, While when we think the lord will return of if their will be a raptur or not is not a damnable heresy.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Can I be a preacher (and not believe in OSAS) and still be saved? (or if I keep on preaching against OSAS will I lose my salvation?) LOL! :p
Well if you believed in osas, you would not think you could earn your salvation. And would not be asking about the possibility of losing salvation. :p
 
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eternally-gratefull

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There are those in the OSAS camp who may believe that just because they went forward at church and answered an altar call 20 years ago and recited the sinner's prayer (even though there was no repentance and faith) that they are saved (simply because they recited that prayer) and now they are continuously living like the devil (practicing sin), but it's all good, they are saved regardless. Such people are deceived, just as there are those in the NOSAS camp who believe that salvation is "obtained" and "maintained" by works and they are working really hard to hold on to what they have not yet received. Such people are deceived as well.

There are genuine born again believers who believe OSAS and others who believe NOSAS. Genuine born again believers who believe OSAS do not view grace as a license to sin and genuine born again believers who believe it's possible down the road to turn their back on the Lord and remain that way and lose faith and salvation don't see it as maintaining their salvation by works, but using their free will to change their mind and reject the Lord. In the latter cases, I don't view either side as heretical. I hold to OSAS, yet I have friends who believe NOSAS, but believe only a small percentage of genuine born again Christians would end up losing their salvation.

I once heard someone in the NOSAS camp say that continuing in faith/abiding in Christ etc.. is an extremely, difficult burden that most genuine born again Christians will surely fail to do and even suggested that up to 95% of genuine born again Christians will end up losing their salvation before it's all over with. I strongly disagree with that!

That same person likened remaining saved to someone walking across a tight rope in which suddenly and at any moment can fall off. Those in the NOSAS camp who don't hold to that extreme view seem to liken remaining saved to someone walking down a road with a high wall on both sides. The person would say, "they are secure, but are still free to choose to climb over the wall to the other side."
I Agree,

the questions are

Is everyone who believes in once saved always saved actually saved.

Is everyone who believes in NOSAS saved at all.