Can A Preacher Be Saved, And Yet Preach Heresy?

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eternally-gratefull

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Chester said:
LOL! if that reasoning is valid, then someone who is a child of the Devil will always be a child of the devil.
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No, A child of the devil is not born of satans blood.

Nice try though.
 
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Originally Posted by Adstar

I am not a believer in OSAS and i do not live in fear because i am confident in the righteousness of Jesus and thus i have assurance that his sacrifice on the cross will save me..

So to me my salvation does not hang by any thread.. All i have to do is keep believing and trusting in what Jesus said and did for me.. As long as i do not base my salvation upon my own worthiness or righteousness i am at peace. :)

If a person is unsure if they are saved they are lacking Faith in Jesus.. So yes if a person is unsure they are probably not saved.. We need both belief and faith (trust in God) to be saved..​



He sounds like one who believes much like I do in this respect: that it is my ongoing belief in Christ that is the basis of my salvation. If I depended upon the moment in history when I was first born again, I might constantly wonder if I did it right (especially if I was having a bad day with works). But I believe in Christ today and this gives me assurance and not the good deeds that I might do.
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So your depending on your own power to believe Not Gods power to keep you, Thats good to know.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
That passage says they knew the way, it never said they recieved the way,

in fact, the passage itself proves these people were never saved, They just had knowledge. It says a DOG returns to his vomit. The dog was never made a new creature (new birth) it was still a dog. It had knowledge how to be saved, but it remained a dog, It was never saved.

Again, Why do you not believe in eternal security? Either you believe in God or you do not.
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The passage said in verse 20 they had escaped .... If they had escaped by the knowledge of the Way of salvation they believed in the Way of salvation.. They then fell away from the truth... They where lost..

I believe the whole Word of God.. I believe God.. We just interpret things differently on the matter of eternal security..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
A prodigal son never lost his salvation, He was still his fathers child. You can not BREAK blood ties.

I would not expect you to understand this though.
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24 [FONT=&quot]because this son of mine was dead and is alive again;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] he was lost and is found!’ So they began to celebrate.[/FONT]
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Regardless of being a son, he was by his own father's words, lost.
Regardless of being a son, he was by his own father's words, dead.

This is clearly written, I would not expect you to understand.
 
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The above is for Budman.

Would someone mind posting the image for me please.

For some reason my iPad seems to have stopped doing it even though I post the link in the above box.
 
Budman

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BillG said:
The above is for Budman.

Would someone mind posting the image for me please.

For some reason my iPad seems to have stopped doing it even though I post the link in the above box.
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What?

Your not right on everything?

Right your of my Christmas Card list.

Mind you it's celebrating Christmas heresy:cool:

Joshing with you of course.
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Originally Posted by BillG
What?

You're not right on everything?

Right, you're off my Christmas Card list.

Mind you it's celebrating Christmas heresy:cool:

Joshing with you of course.




I....um....couldn't help myself.
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Is that what you're referring to? :)
 
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Adstar said:
We've got to keep the Faith.. Because Faith is not a Work.. Those who cease to believe are lost..
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Wrong. By making continuance to believe a requirement, you've turned simple faith into a work.
 
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If a person is unsure if they are saved they are lacking Faith in Jesus.. So yes if a person is unsure they are probably not saved
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Never had a moment of doubt, huh? And if so, how many moments of doubt results in the loss of salvation?

Instead of relying on the promises of God, you're relying on your own feelings.
 
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Thomas had doubts. Peter fell into the ocean because he took his eyes of the Christ.

Anyone who says they have never had doubts, is being a bit untruthful.
 
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star said:
Thomas had doubts. Peter fell into the ocean because he took his eyes of the Christ.

Anyone who says they have never had doubts, is being a bit untruthful.
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True. I believe having doubts is proof of the struggle between our old and new nature.
 
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Adstar said:
The passage said in verse 20 they had escaped .... If they had escaped by the knowledge of the Way of salvation they believed in the Way of salvation.. They then fell away from the truth... They where lost..

I believe the whole Word of God.. I believe God.. We just interpret things differently on the matter of eternal security..
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Anyone in a god fearing church has escaped. They are blessed just by being around Gods people. Thats why Jesus had many people who followed him? Just because people have KNOWledge of the truth, does not mean they ever had FAITH in the truth.

Yet time after time, when the stuff hit the fan, many left because they were never really part of the walk.

A dog is a dog. A dog who has been born again is no longer a dog. He is a new creature. And as a new creature would not act like a dog.

A dog may learn new tricks, but a dog is always a dog. And like a dog, they will return to their vomit. (Ways of the world)


So again, Why do you deny eternal security? WHy do you say you trust god, yet when push comes to shove, You say your trust is not really in god. But yourself?
 
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Adstar said:
We've got to keep the Faith.. Because Faith is not a Work.. Those who cease to believe are lost..
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Your righty faiht is not a work. Thats why you do not have to keep it. The one youy trust in KEEPS it. You only lose it, if they fail you. Thats why we lose faiht in people. They fail us enough times we do not deem them trustworthy.

Tell me how God has failed people so they lose faith? Can you explain that?
 
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DJ2 said:
Regardless of being a son, he was by his own father's words, lost.
Regardless of being a son, he was by his own father's words, dead.

This is clearly written, I would not expect you to understand.
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He still had his fathers blood. Legally, he was still his fathers child. Then never stopped

He was lost. But being lost, He still was his fathers son, I was lost for 5 years. Yet I still was Gods child

I would not expect you to understand blood ties/. Or father son relationships. SInce you think a fathers love must be earned, not freely given
 
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Monnkai said:
how do I walk the walk?
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You're doing that. You're finding out what God wants you to do (by praying and reading the Bible) and figuring out ways to do it.
 
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