How To Be Un-Saved
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R
You tell us, teacher.
"As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing."-John 15:4-5
What is the fruit that Jesus says a person can not bear unless they abide in the vine?
"As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing."-John 15:4-5
What is the fruit that Jesus says a person can not bear unless they abide in the vine?
This explains your error pretty well.
You are in such a works mindset you cannot fathom anything else. Even when scriptures in the bible contradict you.
Hebrews 7:18-19
You are in such a works mindset you cannot fathom anything else. Even when scriptures in the bible contradict you.
Hebrews 7:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Its actually REALLY common to find people that think they have to work to earn Salvation. But then when you show them scripture they start getting really slippery in their twisting of meanings and interpretations.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Its actually REALLY common to find people that think they have to work to earn Salvation. But then when you show them scripture they start getting really slippery in their twisting of meanings and interpretations.
J
Looks like we are buddies then because yours didn't either fascinating how that works huh?
(talk about silly,that's a good one "buddies" oh boy so much to learn some people I barely even know)
(talk about silly,that's a good one "buddies" oh boy so much to learn some people I barely even know)
Who are my buddies?
Are they the people that I click a like on their post,or that I agree with merely once?(I have agreed with others outside my belief of being saved forever,such as Ralph,Endoscopy,and so on)
I really would like to know who my friends are and who I "don't socialize with" because I certainly can't decide for myself you are just so much more wise and discerning than me,maybe it's your insults,and "pretending" that you are right in everything biblical,I mean that's what Jesus wants for everybody right?
We oughtta be Prideful jerks because I guess Jesus was considering how many "saved" people" take to such vile behavior.
Thank you for "setting the standard" I'm positive Jesus is well pleased...
Rev 2:12“And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this: 13‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14‘But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality. 15‘So you also have some who in the same way hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16‘Therefore repent; or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of My mouth. 17‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’
Wow, Is Jesus gonna war with the saints? Will they still be saints if He has to war with them?
Remember, a house divided against itself cannot stand.
This is to the leader of the church, & we must remember judgment must come first to the House of God.
The command to repent is speaking to saints, because nowhere in this context does it say nor imply that anyone needs to be converted to Christ.
The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this: 13‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14‘But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality. 15‘So you also have some who in the same way hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16‘Therefore repent; or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of My mouth. 17‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’
Wow, Is Jesus gonna war with the saints? Will they still be saints if He has to war with them?
Remember, a house divided against itself cannot stand.
This is to the leader of the church, & we must remember judgment must come first to the House of God.
The command to repent is speaking to saints, because nowhere in this context does it say nor imply that anyone needs to be converted to Christ.
J
It means that if one takes a mind to do something for Jesus that they do so through him,but "alone" an individual does "nothing" right for Jesus this scripture is particularly referring to the disciples but still a good reference for how to take thought to Jesus not "attempting" a good work of ourselves.
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3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Ugh Ralph. You condemn yourself with your own words!
You saying,
"When the Law arouses and provokes sin in a person, that means they ARE STILL UNSAVED and in the flesh".
There is NO other way to parse this than sinless perfectionism!
If YOU commit even the tiniest of sins James tells us you are guilty of committing them all.
And Jesus tells us, merely thinking about sin is the same as committing it. Not to mention the sins you commit every day OF OMISSION! EVERY day you do not sell everything you have, give it to the poor, and solely trust Jesus for your needs you sin.
Do you "trip over" the poor, giving them crumbs from your table? In this day and age you KNOW there are people you could be helping RIGHT NOW! And please don't tell me you already do X! Refer to last sentence if you say that.
I'm sorry, but people with your mindset lower God's standard to fit YOUR standard of what living a perfect life is.
You are truly no different than the Pharisees who thought they could attain Salvation by THEIR righteousness.
Amazing that you STILL don't get it! We are Children of God by BIRTH! We who are His Children have been Born Again!
You working to PROVE you are His, ironically proves that you may not be.
You saying,
"When the Law arouses and provokes sin in a person, that means they ARE STILL UNSAVED and in the flesh".
There is NO other way to parse this than sinless perfectionism!
If YOU commit even the tiniest of sins James tells us you are guilty of committing them all.
And Jesus tells us, merely thinking about sin is the same as committing it. Not to mention the sins you commit every day OF OMISSION! EVERY day you do not sell everything you have, give it to the poor, and solely trust Jesus for your needs you sin.
Do you "trip over" the poor, giving them crumbs from your table? In this day and age you KNOW there are people you could be helping RIGHT NOW! And please don't tell me you already do X! Refer to last sentence if you say that.
I'm sorry, but people with your mindset lower God's standard to fit YOUR standard of what living a perfect life is.
You are truly no different than the Pharisees who thought they could attain Salvation by THEIR righteousness.
Amazing that you STILL don't get it! We are Children of God by BIRTH! We who are His Children have been Born Again!
You working to PROVE you are His, ironically proves that you may not be.
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5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.